Overlord87 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 I'm getting a little curious now. I read CC several years ago, I think right after Ixrec's translation came out, so I don't remember many details about the quality of the translation. Also I never had the chance to play the game in Japanese. Still I gave the game a perfect 10 on VNDB. I won't enter into the details of this rating, I know the game has many flaws and is, particularly at the beginning, annoying as shit. Still in the end I could not give it anything less than a 10. I think it's a masterpiece. So the question is. How bad really is the translation? Are we taking about "poor choice of words and jokes not delivered" level? Or "significant change in meaning" level? I have to admit I would find very funny if Ixrec modified the game from the original with his translation, creating in the process a masterpiece for my tastesĀ Who knows, maybe I wouldn't even like the original game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleshogun Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 (edited) As for the title, I would say to OP Satsuki that you can remove the question mark because the release is real. They already set the Steam store for that, and here's the link to the Steam store for the proof. As for the version, well at least Pulltop have some common sense to port PSV version instead of original version lol. Edited March 14, 2018 by littleshogun Plk_Lesiak and Dreamysyu 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plk_Lesiak Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 (edited) 18 minutes ago, littleshogun said: As for the title, I would say to OP Satsuki that you can remove the question mark because the release is real. They already set the Steam store for that, and here's the link to the Steam store for the proof. As for the version, well at least Pulltop have some common sense to port PSV version instead of original version lol. Well, at least this will most likely save them from some hate and fury - when they're porting the console version they have no reason to tamper with the content. Lol on the screenshots all having 2-5 word sentences on them though... Edited March 14, 2018 by Plk_Lesiak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamysyu Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Great. And now we have spoilers in the Steam description. I mean, I know pretty much all people who know something about the game know about it already, but still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenophilious Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Plk_Lesiak said: Well, at least this will most likely save them from some hate and fury - when they're porting the console version they have no reason to tamper with the content. I sincerely doubt it.Ā I read ixrec's TL, and the game will make even less sense than it already did (thanks to ixrec, obviously) if certain h-scenes are removed.Ā The MC is also a huge pervert that is obsessed with his porn stash, and repeatedly talks about doing the five knuckle shuffle, so I don't have much faith that that part of his personality will remain entirely intact. Of course, MoeNovel spoils part of the plot in the description.Ā What a bunch of morons. EDIT: Don't look at the tags either, they have spoilers in them as well. Dreamysyu and Dergonu 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakauchuujin Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 (edited) I am just looking forward to when moenovel localizeĀ an Empress title. Edited March 14, 2018 by bakauchuujin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamysyu Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Zenophilious said: Of course, MoeNovel spoils part of the plot in the description.Ā The screenshot with Kiri also looks pretty spoilerous, but I'm not sure, maybe it was actually said early in the game. 2 hours ago, Zenophilious said: EDIT: Don't look at the tags either, they have spoilers in them as well. Do you mean Spoiler Violent and Blood? This much is acceptable, I suppose. Tags for some other VNs on Steam spoil much more. Edited March 14, 2018 by Dreamysyu reworded it a bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Poltroon Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Thank goodness. Staying away from those spoilers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratboi Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 And we havenāt even gotten 18+ for the star game, whatever itās called. I refuse to play that without 18+, and I refuse to play this without 18+. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakauchuujin Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 12 minutes ago, ratboi said: And we havenāt even gotten 18+ for the star game, whatever itās called. I refuse to play that without 18+, and I refuse to play this without 18+. Moenovel will never release anything 18+, our only hope for getting official 18+ Pulltop games in english is if they die. Now that they have gone to other things than Pulltop games they are even more dangerous. We really should try to take them down by spreading information on their practices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamysyu Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 minute ago, bakauchuujin said: our only hope for getting official 18+ Pulltop games in english is if they die. Lol, no. If they die, then our hopes for getting any official Pulltop titles will most likely die with them. Plk_Lesiak 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaggieROBOT Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 6 hours ago, Overlord87 said: Are we taking about "poor choice of words and jokes not delivered" level? Or "significant change in meaning" level? The first is definetly true. Some lines just didn't flow very well and if you turned the Translation Notes on in game (I regret doing this, but I wanted to check what exactly they were making notes for), an explanation of the literal translations ofĀ kanji punsĀ they made would appear every twentyĀ minutes. I can't judge the second one because I didn't read it in japanese. 49 minutes ago, Dreamysyu said: I'm not sure, maybe it was actually said early in the game, but the screenshot with Kiri also looks pretty spoilerous. Do you mean Ā Reveal hidden contents Violent and Blood? This much is acceptable, I suppose. Tags for some other VNs on Steam spoil much more. I think some things in that description are explained only in Miki's route. That's like halfway through the game, not cool. Spoiler It seemed to me they're just saving themselves of the trouble of explaining later on "no, your game is fine, it's looping on purpose".Ā But yeah, that Kiri CG shouldn't be there AT ALL. Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamysyu Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Just now, MaggieROBOT said: I think some things in that description are explained only in Miki's route. That's like halfway through the game, not cool. I am not talking the description. It's spoilerous, and I wrote it myself in the previous post. I'm just saying that the tags, on the other hand, are not that spoilerous, and it's probably an acceptable level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuuko Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Dreamysyu said: The screenshot with Kiri Edited March 14, 2018 by Kiriririri Dreamysyu and HMN 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VirginSmasher Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 >Spoilers in the Steam description Thanks again MoeNovel. It's like they can't seem to stop fucking up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infernoplex Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 11 hours ago, bakauchuujin said: https://vndb.org/p100Ā So all these are in potential danger. Gues the next one will be an all ages version of an Empress title. MaybeĀ Closed Game Ā 7 hours ago, bakauchuujin said: I am just looking forward to when moenovel localizeĀ an Empress title. Please, don't jest like this I wouldn't like to see my favourite ero writer Sei Shoujo's work get butchered like that (not even Closed Game, which I heard is the "weakest" of his works). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenophilious Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 7 hours ago, Dreamysyu said: Do you mean Ā Reveal hidden contents Violent and Blood? This much is acceptable, I suppose. Tags for some other VNs on Steam spoil much more. Yes.Ā I know it's not that much of a spoiler in the overall story, butĀ Spoiler if you're already expecting violence, the massacre on the rooftop at the end of Misato's route will have less shock value and emotional impact.Ā There's no reason to mention that CC has violence, since Steam doesn't require ESRB ratings or descriptions of potentially offensive content unless it's really extreme. I also don't really think that just because other games have even more spoilery tags excuses doing it at all.Ā Compare the Steam page's tags to the VNDB page'sĀ unhidden tags, and tell me they don't at least partially spoil what's going to happen. The spoiler in the description is much worse, but any spoiler at all is unacceptable forĀ plotge.Ā It shows that MoeNovel doesn't really care all that much about their customer's experience, and how inept they are at marketing if they have to use spoilers in order to get people interested in reading Cross Channel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Poltroon Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 There are studies indicating spoilers make people enjoy things better. While this is no exact science, clearly this shows that this is but a carefully thought out marketing decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decay Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 (edited) I feel like it's necessary to spoil CC to an extent when marketing it to people. We're talking about the basic premise of the game here. I wouldn't write a marketing pitch without that. I understand that some people would enjoy the game more if they didn't know that, but if you're that kind of person then you shouldn't be reading game summaries at all. Look at the score on VNDB and make your decision based on that. Edited March 14, 2018 by Decay Mr Poltroon and Plk_Lesiak 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamysyu Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Zenophilious said: Yes.Ā I know it's not that much of a spoiler in the overall story, butĀ Ā Reveal hidden contents if you're already expecting violence, the massacre on the rooftop at the end of Misato's route will have less shock value and emotional impact.Ā There's no reason to mention that CC has violence, since Steam doesn't require ESRB ratings or descriptions of potentially offensive content unless it's really extreme. I also don't really think that just because other games have even more spoilery tags excuses doing it at all.Ā Compare the Steam page's tags to the VNDB page'sĀ unhidden tags, and tell me they don't at least partially spoil what's going to happen. It makes sense, and I agree that the enjoyment of the story will probably be the biggest if you don't know that stuff, but let's be real, many people who are going to buy it on Steam never really heard about this VN or about what makes it good. The first route is literally presented as a simple moege, you don't even know at first that they are alone in the world, but practically all description of CC I've ever seen mention it. Spoiling important plot point from the middle of the game is really unnecessary. As for those tags? I'm not so sure. Actually, about the spoiler in the description. I wonder, for Japanese VN fans, is the Spoiler timeloop in the story a "Luke, I am your father" type of spoiler: it exists, but everybody know about it? Edited March 14, 2018 by Dreamysyu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintOfVoid Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 (edited) @bakauchuujinĀ not trying to defend the wayĀ they localize, nor even wanting to, but frankly speaking moenovel (e.g. willplus) simply does what othersĀ didnĀ“t. seriously now,Ā not like they havenĀ“t been licensing stuff to jast/mangagamer/whomever before, not like they arenĀ“t willing to do so even now, so yeah, if none of the others seemingly gave a fuck about going forĀ cc, they couldĀ“ve only done it themselves, or giving a fuck about it as well. Edited March 14, 2018 by SaintOfVoid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkZedge Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 People on Twitter are having fun at leastĀ Spoiler Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decay Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 I'm willing to bet the resolution thing is just them taking screenshots on their 1680x1050 monitor fullscreen in stretched mode and not thinking about how bad that looks when submitting those shots to Steam. I doubt that's the actual native res. I really hope it's not. That wouldn't make any sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okarin Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 MoeNovel or Sekai Project? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decay Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Just now saw the official cross channel site. lmao Silvz and Dreamysyu 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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