Kanbe Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 OLEVNs, the western VN community, western VN developers/translators, kickstarter. I loathe them all To me the western VN community is pure cancer and is starting to drive me away from VNs I initially liked due to their cringe worthy comments and shit tastes. I was first pretty excited about the Nekoparas beings translated back then, now I just want them to remain untranslated just to have these idiot not have a chance to play it. Also they are feeding the mouths of OLEVNs developers who product nothing but trash through kickstarter. Am I being too overly mad about all this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rose Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Definitely. Velociraptor, Makudomi, Gibberish and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrozenRaven Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 It's understandable to be mad about all the shit that is happening, but you should try and ignore all that shit and focus on the good things about the Vns in the west. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VirginSmasher Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Yes. Yes you are. The only thing I hate about VNs here in the West is the abuse of Kickstarter and shitty companies like Winged Cloud and AJTilley. DarkZedge, mitchhamilton and kingdomcome 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valmore Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Honestly... I think we try too hard to make the settings Japanese instead of writing what we know. It's like, we love it because of the Japanese influence, and so we try to emulate it when we make it, but as we have very little actual understanding of Japan and its culture, we botch it, usually taking the worst of VNs and exaggerating them. Which is why I'm (very slowly) putting together an otome I've been kicking around in my head, but it's set in New Jersey and has American culture instead. Once I make good headway I'd need artists and coders and stuff. Which reminds me I need to type out this idea I had for it in between reading Noble Works. Zalor, atorq and krill 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklord Rooke Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 24 minutes ago, Kanbe said: Am I being too overly mad about all this? A fairly obvious conclusion. Considering for several years the Western scene was the primary place Western otome fans could get their fix, due to translators refusing (for the most part) to localise otome because they want to localise fap-worthy nukige crap instead, you're also being a little unfair. Most Western VNs (apart from the obvious) are otome because most translators refused to bring those sorts of games over, and thus a budding industry formed because there was a gap in the market. Roach 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rose Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 1 minute ago, Rooke said: A fairly obvious conclusion. Considering for several years the Western scene was the primary place Western otome fans could get their fix, due to translators refusing (for the most part) to localise otome because they want to localise fap-worthy nukige crap instead, you're also being a little unfair. Most Western VNs (apart from the obvious) are otome because most translators refused to bring those sorts of games over, and thus a budding industry formed because there was a gap in the market. Off-topic but have you ever considered writing a blog post about the western scene? I'm sure it would be quite popular. krill, Darklord Rooke and CeruleanGamer 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decay Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Ahh yes, all these mouthbreathers ruining the majesty of Neko Para. How dare they? Don't they know true art when they see it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklord Rooke Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 2 minutes ago, Rose said: Off-topic but have you ever considered writing a blog post about the western scene? I'm sure it would be quite popular. Interesting! I hadn't actually, but I might in the (medium-term) future. Definitely food for thought in any case Mr Poltroon and Rose 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanbe Posted February 20, 2016 Author Share Posted February 20, 2016 Thanks for these replies guys. Maybe now I will walk the path of not being mad, just stick to playing untranslated stuff and ignore the crap that's happening in the west that has been infuriating me. Those shitty OLEVNs developers can still burn in hell tho Kawasumi, pual, FrozenRaven and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valmore Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 34 minutes ago, Kanbe said: Thanks for these replies guys. Maybe now I will walk the path of not being mad, just stick to playing untranslated stuff and ignore the crap that's happening in the west that has been infuriating me. Those shitty OLEVNs developers can still burn in hell tho Well that seems a tad unfair. What if I actually get my shit together and put together Gathering Sand? You won't try it out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanbe Posted February 20, 2016 Author Share Posted February 20, 2016 10 minutes ago, Valmore said: Well that seems a tad unfair. What if I actually get my shit together and put together Gathering Sand? You won't try it out? I'm not saying all OLEVNs devs are bad. Eg Black Sands entertainment is doing some pretty interesting stuff focusing on what they want to do and avoid relying on stereotypes. I'm sure you can make something that is worth reading too if you put your mind into it. Black Sands Entertainment 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OriginalRen Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Localizing and making visual novels westernized has become less about the story and more about the money. There isn't any magic left when I open a visual novel. It doesn't matter if you enjoy rich story or cute moege, the connection a lot of people felt with Katawa Shoujo isn't there, and games like Sakura Spirit have diminished the opinions about the genre as a whole. Individuals care less about their emotions and more about the pornography because Japanese animation is and always has been a brand new toy to them. They don't live in the country, and therefore the foreign concept of the otaku world drives them to believe in a land they can dive into over and over again. They are safe behind their screens, and their introverted attitude is allowed to spring forth begging fan translators and companies to sell the games they want, even though they know deep down it's out of their power to wish those things and/or they aren't willing to take the reins themselves. The spark, the drive, the magic of opening that novel and wondering what will happen next is gone to the point that people complain about 18+ material being removed from a game when the sex itself is nothing but a penis or vaginal stimulant. I'd like to give a shout out to @Down because I think you guys should check out his blog on Twitter. He made a really interesting article about how we as individuals form opinions about things and I think it somewhat relates to this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satsuki Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Wait, what was that about Nekopara? Am i missing something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clephas Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 *shrugs* I think OELVNs have some potential... but they need to escape weabooism (I'm a weaboo, but even I don't think weaboo-OELVNs are that interesting). krill 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkZedge Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 6 hours ago, VirginSmasher said: Yes. Yes you are. The only thing I hate about VNs here in the West is the abuse of Kickstarter and shitty companies like Winged Cloud and AJTilley. Yeah this is pretty much what i would've said aswell, western vn's have some good ones among them but then there's this kind of companies that betray the little trust others gained by flooding the market with bad quality stuff, such as the above mentioned AJTilley and Winged Cloud as prime examples. Sadly it's not just you, a lot of people have gotten burned by this hence ended up losing faith in the western market or developers..but the thing is that there's vn's worth buying and reading that come from that same market or developers. Just my two cents, i still hope for good stuff to come out of the wester vn production Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nayleen Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 It was to be expected, really. There was no chance in hell we'd see the top 50 VNs on VNDB translated and marketed in the West professionally after the whole thing started to pick up Steam. Money needs to be earned to even allow companies to try to get the licenses to produce and publish the Japanese VN experience over here. I wholeheartedly agree with @Rooke that the already existing Western Creation Scene is trying wayyy too hard to emulate what makes the games successful in Japan and for fans of the genre instead of doing their own thing. The medium still has a long way to go, especially some maturing to do, before it even dares try to become a thing in the West. For now it remains a niche, but by satisfying it and expanding from there I think we should be able to get somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega_93 Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 I just want to read more Chuunige, whether it's an OELVN or a translated game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronopolis Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 It's a shame, but people going for the (apparent) easy money has always been true. What we might consider crappy, a good chunk of it actually appeals to people in some way (light adventure story with some porn!~), and the rest of it does its best to pretend so. Gotta find those dedicated creators who have either the vision/passion and/or the skill. I mean, think of it backwards. You're not going to find most of those people advertising on reddit, much less on kickstarter. Try Lemmasoft or other communities which produce games which are not VN's but with high amounts of narrative (the English doujin game and vn market seems a lot smaller than the Japanese.) (I try to look and think about it as little as possible.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeruleanGamer Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Getting another Katawa Shoujo-quality OELVN is like finding a shiny pokemon and I don't expect anything to become widespread like it did for the next decade. The closest mad hype I've seen so far was Kindred Spirits on the Roof, but that isn't OELVN. It did generate a ton of blogs, news, and reviews about it being the 1st uncensored adult VN in Steam. To make OELVNs stand out this day and age, it needs a certain "mojo" like I always call it. Here are some examples: - Katawa Shoujo had the crippled girls (sex with crippled girls to be specific) and it was more than enough to cause social medias to explode and create an easy and effective marketing. It's the VN that brought most of Fuwanovel together, so we should be grateful for that VN even if some people think it's mediocre. - Huniepop had the "rainbow-filled" language and above average English speaking voice actresses. The touch of realism is also its main drawing point, something that over 90% of VNs, even Japanese ones can't pull off effectively. Technically, I don't consider it a VN, but a dating sim, but romancing girls is a feature it shares with most VNs, so I thought it was worth mentioning. - Cinders uses a well known tale (in this case Cinderella) and improves on it through decent character development and alternative routes based on your choices. - Everlasting Summer is a Russian made VN, so technically we can say it's ORLVN instead of OELVN? It was very well received due to its amazing story and many possible endings. The art can be a turn off to some but give it a chance... it does pick up and get a lot more engaging. This is the ONLY VN I recommend buying on your mobile devices because it has no pay2win garbage/microtransactions. kingdomcome 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solidbatman Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 11 hours ago, Kanbe said: OLEVNs, the western VN community, western VN developers/translators, kickstarter. I loathe them all To me the western VN community is pure cancer and is starting to drive me away from VNs I initially liked due to their cringe worthy comments and shit tastes. I was first pretty excited about the Nekoparas beings translated back then, now I just want them to remain untranslated just to have these idiot not have a chance to play it. Also they are feeding the mouths of OLEVNs developers who product nothing but trash through kickstarter. Am I being too overly mad about all this? Yes you are, and you come across sounding overly elitist. "How dare these people be enthusiastic and caring about my favorite hobby!" There are some really bad apples in the VN scene, and they unfortunately get all of the attention because of it while some really great things get overshadowed by them. Though Fuwanovel is cancer so you aren't entirely wrong either. Kawasumi 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okarin Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 It's true there are problems with the community, especially OELVNs' quality, and people's tastes, but you can't do much about it. Yet it feels that you are looking down on the populace and want to take the cake away from them. Won't things develop in a natural way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdomcome Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 56 minutes ago, CeruleanGamer said: Katawa Shoujo I will always love this, never have I cried over a "game" before. 56 minutes ago, CeruleanGamer said: Everlasting Summer This one is OK, definitely not bad. Nowhere near KS level, but not bad. 48 minutes ago, solidbatman said: Though Fuwanovel is cancer so you aren't entirely wrong either. What do you mean? You make me sad. 'The Seed' will be a game changer for OELVN. They are not really aware of what a VN is (as far as I'm aware), so they have no influence from Japan. The beta/demo I played was super intense and I just couldn't put it down, I was really disappointed when I came to the end of it. I can't wait till its release. - http://mdtseed.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Sands Entertainment Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 13 hours ago, Kanbe said: OLEVNs, the western VN community, western VN developers/translators, kickstarter. I loathe them all To me the western VN community is pure cancer and is starting to drive me away from VNs I initially liked due to their cringe worthy comments and shit tastes. I was first pretty excited about the Nekoparas beings translated back then, now I just want them to remain untranslated just to have these idiot not have a chance to play it. Also they are feeding the mouths of OLEVNs developers who product nothing but trash through kickstarter. Am I being too overly mad about all this? Sometimes you need a black guy with no regard for the sacredness of the median to mix things up and put the west in western VN. There is yet hope. Setting: Ancient Kemetic/Akkadian Mythology Concept: Ancient aliens + ancient gods Style: High quality Comic style. Dialogue: Fully voiced Extra Awesome: Historical context of all characters, locations, and architecture in a lore book called "The Book of Thoth." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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