Heart Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 The Starry Sky series, my god playing this was a drag. SO boring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyldstrykr Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 what is this? unpopular opinion about vn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vorathiel Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 On 6/26/2016 at 1:46 PM, Ningen said: Did someone say Same Face Syndrome? Where is this from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzu Fanatic Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 18 hours ago, wyldstrykr said: what is this? unpopular opinion about vn? It's a place where people can follow the path to counter-culture hipsterhood - "I'm different from those sheep, I don't like X" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyldstrykr Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 well i cant even make a better vn so i dont have the right to pour salt about these games. honestly it is not a best but its not bad either despire that salt it them....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ningen Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 6 hours ago, Vorathiel said: Where is this from? The first one features characters drawn by nanao naru, the second features chars from Sore wa Maichiru Sakura no Youni Vorathiel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyr Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 4 hours ago, wyldstrykr said: well i cant even make a better vn so i dont have the right to pour salt about these games. Of course you have the right. Everyone has the right to criticize everything he wants. You don't have to be good or even better at creating the things you criticize for your opinion to have value. Why would you even think that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyldstrykr Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Just now, Tyrosyn said: Of course you have the right. Everyone has the right to criticize everything he wants. You don't need to be good or even better at creating the things you criticize. Why would you even think that? well in the producers defence: you talk shit about this game, but can you make a better one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decay Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Just now, wyldstrykr said: well in the producers defence: you talk shit about this game, but can you make a better one? Why does it matter? Do you never complain about bad food? Or boring movies? These are games made for us to enjoy. There is actually no one better equipped to critique them than ourselves. Dreamysyu and Okarin 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decay Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 To put another way, the ability to make games is completely different from the ability to play and evaluate them. Being good at making games does not give your opinions on what's good and what's not any more weight than people who are clueless on game development. On the contrary, I find that most developers who try their hand at games criticism end up having way too biased of a perspective to fairly evaluate them. They end up relating with development issues that other developers might run into and soften their criticisms as a result. But the fact is, criticizing game development is entirely different from criticizing games. Now, if we were to actually criticize the game development processes, I'd agree that arguments from experienced individuals hold the most weight. But that's not what we're doing here. What we're doing is simply saying "I think this is good" or "I think this is not good." The game development process has nothing to do with this evaluation and no additional insight into that process will make us better equipped to make these judgements. Because they are, after all, highly subjective and based purely on our own emotional responses to the games in question. Anyone can give these opinions, and they're never wrong. Funyarinpa, Zakamutt, Mr Poltroon and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ningen Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Yeah, that idea is completely retarded. I can't say a house looks shit because I am not a builder and can't build one myself. I can't dislike a car, because I am not a car manufacturer and can't make a better one. I can't hate a person because I am not god and can't make a better one. I can't complain about my food being to salty at the restaurant because I am not a chef and can't cook something better.. etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NowItsAngeTime Posted June 28, 2016 Author Share Posted June 28, 2016 Anyone is free to criticize whatever. They just may look stupid or be obnoxious while doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valmore Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 19 hours ago, Decay said: Why does it matter? Do you never complain about bad food? Or boring movies? These are games made for us to enjoy. There is actually no one better equipped to critique them than ourselves. Actually, when someone produces anything for public consumption - games, food, movies, etc. - they're pretty much asking to be critiqued by anyone and everyone. At least, that was how I was taught in journalism class. If you didn't want your work critiqued, you wouldn't have sold it to the public to try. It's why you need to have thick skin if you decide to do any sort of thing you sell to people - not everything you hear back will be rainbows and cum inside the tsundere. And it doesn't matter if the person critiquing it can do a better job or not. The "well can you do better?" card is a strawman argument for lazy creators who can't defend their work at all from in-depth critique. So yes, the consumer is the best person to critique what is offered to them, and you are absolutely correct. Darklord Rooke and Fred the Barber 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xavier12 Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Yeah, for example I don't really like to rank stuff according to how good they are. My VNDB and MAL lists all have no points given to the stuff I consumed. However, even I can say, this is shit because of reasons or this is good because it does the thing etc. Just because you aren't working in the field or a professional critic doesn't mean you can't complain about something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklord Rooke Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 On 6/28/2016 at 9:42 PM, Ningen said: I can't dislike a car, because I am not a car manufacturer and can't make a better one. The mechanic who, many years ago, couldn't figure out why the steering in my car was mucking up and so decided to let half the air out of my tires and call the job done is happily free from criticism. I mean, I can't repair the car myself and so am not qualified to comment. The whole concept that only creators are qualified to critique other creators is such an inane argument to make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okok Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Swan song is something that I should have liked but just didn't somehow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pual Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Planetarian: why all the hype? Fate/Stay Night: it's pretty good at some points but having to bear with Shirou for 3 parts made it tedious journey. Ever17 Steins;Gate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okarin Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Well Steins;Gate is really hit or miss, but the people who like it like it a lot. Also it doesn't help that it has slow pacing, so you have to use a little patience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayana Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Subahibi and Sakuuta. (I don't actually know, I don't like not liking things) Kenshin_sama and john 'mr. customer' smith 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratboi Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 I love key works. And why I enjoyed little busters I think it is very overrated. I found planetarion better then little busters and that was quite short. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamishedPants Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 On 6/24/2016 at 9:46 AM, Funyarinpa said: Muv Luv Alternative is a 7/10 game. It has great moments, yes, but overall it isn't all that impressive. IMHO it does not deserve very high a place in the hallmark of VN's. Quote INSERT VISUAL NOVEL HERE is a LOWER THAN ONE MIGHT USUALLY RATE SAID GAME/10 game. It has great moments, yes, but overall it isn't all that impressive. IMHO it does not deserve very high a place in the hallmark of VN's. That thread was a zesty meme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeruleanGamer Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 Everyone in this thread needs to get laid instead of reading stories about 2D waifus anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamishedPants Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 20 minutes ago, CeruleanGamer said: Everyone in this thread needs to get laid instead of reading stories about 2D waifus anyway. Reveal hidden contents Says the cuck. :^) CeruleanGamer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clephas Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 Aiyoku no Eustia I have multiple reasons... but the first and most obvious one is the fact that it uses the G-Senjou no Maou type of path-splitting. Essentially, all the heroines other than Eustia herself are side-shows, and their paths literally make no sense whatsoever in the context of the setting, if you consider the factors involved in light of the true path. The second reason is that I don't like Eustia as a character or as a heroine. To be blunt, she has 'Victim A' spray-painted across her face, in my mind. I don't like weak/weak-willed heroines in general, and she is one of the worst heroines I've ever encountered when it comes to this. This combines with the issue from above to make things infinitely worse from my perspective. The third reason is the way the protagonist reacts to the events in the true path. I'll be blunt... I don't like indecisive protagonists, and you don't get much more indecisive than he is in the true path. My active dislike for the VN is made infinitely worse by the fact that I actually liked it a lot, until I played the true path. Suburashiki Hibi This one hits two of my pet peeves... one of which is the multiple protagonist issue. The other is VNs that are obscure for the sake of being obscure. Kamidori Alchemy Meister This one is a bit more obvious... after playing Ikusa Megami Zero (based in the same world), I played this... and was stunned at how much lower in quality (both writing and gameplay) it was in comparison. XReaper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidShu Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 Sharin no Kuni. I'm not going to argue with anyone whether or not it deserves the reception it does from the community, but I didn't have fun playing it. Can't really tell you why since I don't think to much about these things, it just didn't feel fun to me, so it wasn't. Okarin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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