Uk Lolicon Prevention Act

[Narcosis]

Since when laws existed to help people and make things better for societies in general? Please remind me, cause I can't even remember.

 

UK has been exibiting a growing tendency for this kind of attitude since 2005; when David Cameron took the chair of Prime Minister, everthing regarding freedom has been constantly fumbling down and it's unlikely to stop, since the british conservatives are the last people you'd ever want to see working in any goverment. It doesn't really matter they have a lot of other things to do, they will cotinue to restrict free access to the internet, ban cartoon porn completely and put all the blame on you instead. One of the reasons I never considered going to UK for work was the fact I'd simply feel like in a jail over there. Judging from their latest approach regarding certain issues, it wouldn't be an overstatement to say we have a second "People's" Republic of China growing. The fact it's located so close is giving me goosebumps.

[edwd2]

Good lol

[Chuee]

Even if lolicon did make you a pedophile, that's still a moot point because being a pedophile isn't illegal and it also doesn't mean you're going to molest little kids. 

[Abyssal Monkey]

Not entirely unsurprising considering just recently they updated the banned acts content list for porn sold on the internet.

they will cotinue to restrict free access to the internet

Hahahaha, not sure if you're referring to this, but it was the first thing I thought of when I saw the thread name before even seeing your post.

 

Seriously, though, I don't think that anyone who had it would necessarily make them a lolicon.  And anybody who was a potential sexual offending lolicon before would already be planning on it and I doubt the works would have any effect on inhibiting that desire anyway.  In much the same way that committing mass murder in video games doesn't make you a sociopath (or whatever you want to call them), I don't think that someone extreme enough would be sated by fictional works in the first place.

 

As for the second one, you can claim highschool, but I can reverse claim anything you see is all adults over 18.  Unless they specify age in the show or from an official source (most probably do, but oh well), you could probably say that they are all over 18.  I really don't see what being in highschool has to do with anything, because as far as I'm concerned, at least in the US, a decent portion of <18 year old girls are not virgins.  This doesn't really do anything in court, but I still would rather point out the realism of the works instead 

[Nosebleed]

Not entirely unsurprising considering just recently they updated the banned acts content list for porn sold on the internet.

I am mourning for all UK people right now.

That is just pathetic.

But hey it could be worse, it could be Turkey where Minecraft is being banned for encouraging violence due to how realistic it is.

[Kaguya]

I am mourning for all UK people right now.

That is just pathetic.

But hey it could be worse, it could be Turkey where Minecraft is being banned for encouraging violence due to how realistic it is.

Wow. I do not comprehend it- almost makes me excited to go there see the state-of-the-art warfare technology they have so that I could have my mind open.

[Mugi]

Well, good thing I live in the US, I guess. Even though it's more or less a gray area here..

Either way, I doubt the feds are going to come kick down my door for owning HoshiMemo or Grisaia, so i'll keep on playing. I'd rather not be restricted to All-Age VN's.

[Getsuya]

The answer, as always, is that everyone should just move to Japan where people will totally accept you no matter what weird fetish you have*

 

*so long as you never talk about it to anyone ever.

 

V Yyyup. In Japan 'don't ask don't tell' is a life philosophy. No one cares what you like as long as they never find out what it is.

[solidbatman]

The answer, as always, is that everyone should just move to Japan where people will totally accept you no matter what weird fetish you have*

 

*so long as you never talk about it to anyone ever.

I always love it when these people dream of going to Japan to be accepted for what they love, and I'm just sitting there like, "No, they will still fucking hate you weirdo."

[Nosebleed]

The answer, as always, is that everyone should just move to Japan where people will totally accept you no matter what weird fetish you have*

*so long as you never talk about it to anyone ever.

V Yyyup. In Japan 'don't ask don't tell' is a life philosophy. No one cares what you like as long as they never find out what it is.

Sorry but as someone who'd automatically be labeled filthy gaijin on top of creepy otaku if i entered Japan, i can not agree.

Japan might make all your glorious 2D porn, but it's not a perfect nation.

You're not any more accepted on Japan, they'll stil judge you based on your behavior, it's just that their otaku industry is too valuable to make stupid laws like this.

I'm not saying you won't be accepted if you like anime or anything, but if you're some addict or you openly talk about how you play loli games, you'll still end up being looked down upon just as much. It just happens that a bigger portion of the population around you is the same.

Now i agree they won't bother you about it, that part is great indeed, but social stigmas still exist there and people will still think you're creepy if you're not careful with what you talk about.

[Soulless Watcher]

 

As for the second one, you can claim highschool, but I can reverse claim anything you see is all adults over 18.  Unless they specify age in the show or from an official source (most probably do, but oh well), you could probably say that they are all over 18.  I really don't see what being in highschool has to do with anything, because as far as I'm concerned, at least in the US, a decent portion of <18 year old girls are not virgins.  This doesn't really do anything in court, but I still would rather point out the realism of the works instead 

I'm pretty sure many of these laws have stated that even if the character "appears" underage it can be considered unlawfull and yes that is really vague and non-specific.

 

 

I always love it when these people dream of going to Japan to be accepted for what they love, and I'm just sitting there like, "No, they will still fucking hate you weirdo."

 

The grass is never greener on the other side, it's always the same dry yellow color and full of those spikey weeds that cut your ass everytime you set down.

[Getsuya]

Sorry but as someone who'd automatically be labeled filthy gaijin on top of creepy otaku if i entered Japan, i can not agree.

Japan might make all your glorious 2D porn, but it's not a perfect nation.

You're not any more accepted on Japan, they'll stil judge you based on your behavior, it's just that their otaku industry is too valuable to make stupid laws like this.

I'm not saying you won't be accepted if you like anime or anything, but if you're some addict or you openly talk about how you play loli games, you'll still end up being looked down upon just as much. It just happens that a bigger portion of the population around you is the same.

Now i agree they won't bother you about it, that part is great indeed, but social stigmas still exist there and people will still think you're creepy if you're not careful with what you talk about.

??? Your post is agreeing with mine. I was being sarcastic about Japan accepting everyone, thus the asterisk with the note revealing that, really, Japan only accepts you as long as you act like everyone else when you're in public because no one cares what you do in your private time and as long as you never tell anyone about it.

[sanahtlig]

In an expansion of the opinion, Miller v. California, the Court acted in a more specific manner stating that obscene materials were only allowed if the material appealed to the average sexual desire, the material adheres to sexual laws (such as age of consent), and if the material, taken as a whole, maintains any artistic, scientific, literary, or political value. If it failed to meet any of these three conditions, it is considered outlawed.

 

This case is why loli porn in the US is such a razer thin line to try and walk. It fails to meet any of the three conditions, and is typically an outright violation of the second condition regarding current sexual laws.

 

This statement is inaccurate.  The Miller tests is as follows:

The Miller test was developed in the 1973 case Miller v. California.[2] It has three parts:

 

• Whether "the average person, applying contemporary community standards", would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest,
• Whether the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct or excretory functions[3] specifically defined by applicable state law,
• Whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.[4]

 

The work is considered obscene only if all three conditions are satisfied.

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_test

 

What you wrote is not equivalent.

[AmamiRiku]

Not entirely unsurprising considering just recently they updated the banned acts content list for porn sold on the internet.

Hahahaha, not sure if you're referring to this, but it was the first thing I thought of when I saw the thread name before even seeing your post.

They're banning facesitting.

They're banning BDSM

They're banning female ejaculation

 

I really don't see the point in doind this, specially the last one(seriously, Wtf).

Considering the fact that most ISPs already have an opt out porn filter in place, only the people who really want porn will call them to opt out. That shows that they really want porn right? and now, they're banning certain extremely popular 'genres??' of porn which may have been the whole reason for people opting out to begin with.

So currently, we have a porn filter that blocks all porn, and when you get past that you still have blocked content which you cant opt to see.one of the types of porn they like the most has been made illegal.

As someone said, this is only going to make people depressed. more so than usual, they're going to think they they are weird, and different and may even equate themselves to paedophiles due to the illegal nature of both types of porn

 

 

??? Your post is agreeing with mine. I was being sarcastic about Japan accepting everyone, thus the asterisk with the note revealing that, really, Japan only accepts you as long as you act like everyone else when you're in public because no one cares what you do in your private time and as long as you never tell anyone about it.

 

Well in Japan, even if you don't talk about such things in public you may still be arrested 

http://www.gameinformer.com/blogs/members/b/sakabato24_blog/archive/2010/12/14/is-it-the-end-of-anime-and-manga-bill-156-passed.aspx

This law means that crimes cant be depicted in mangas. Goodbye Black Lagoon, denpa kyoushi, GTO and pretty much every anime with some hint of crime.

It also means that under 18 characters cant be depicted in sexually suggestive scenes so every ecchi manga/anime, again, goodbye GTO (one of the best mangas to ever come out)

They cant show anything that could encourage violence or depression, goodbye GTO, and certain Kamige like Subahibi which show a few intense/twisted scenes.

 

 

Even if lolicon did make you a pedophile, that's still a moot point because being a pedophile isn't illegal and it also doesn't mean you're going to molest little kids.

 

Try explaining that to the government, being a lolicon is considerably far from being a pedophile, and as you said, being a pedophile doesnt mean you're going to molest children, but the thing is people go on Tor, to access the deep web, and pay for child pornography which makes it a particularly lucrative market for those living in areas with somewhat loose laws on child porn (or a low age of consent) so they would make more porn, to make more money. So technically, in many cases, being a pedophile can indirectly affect children themselves.

 

 

I am mourning for all UK people right now.

That is just pathetic.

But hey it could be worse, it could be Turkey where Minecraft is being banned for encouraging violence due to how realistic it 

 

They banned Minecraft? for being realistic? wow, just wow.

[AmamiRiku]

Every country has their set of weird laws.

 

 

We have too many of these weird laws, clearly. If I remember right, it all started with David Cameron.

 

My country's laws are incredibly vague in terms of pornography.

 

My country is too specific on their laws on porn; the whole no bdsm or female ejaculation law is a good example of this

 

You know a mass extinction of the populace would likely increase the number of radical religions, going by Fallout standards at least.

 

God forced them to drop the nuclear bombs, its the second coming of the great flood, we must build giant ships to protect ourselves from it if it happens again.

 

 

 

In this case in particular it just so happens that the UK government doesn't like lolicon material so they prohibited it.

And that's exactly what I hate about these kinds of laws that police people's thoughts and imagination.

You might not like it, it might even gross you out, and that's fine, but that's no reason to inhibit other people from enjoying whatever they want, when it doesn't directly harm you in any way, shape or form.

 

 

Well, I don't like the fact that they're pushing their opinions on to other people and forcing them to comply by their standards

[Aniki]

Does the UK really want mass emigration? This is how you get mass emigration.

[Funyarinpa]

To all of life's (ISPs') problems, the solution is Zenmate.

[Yeah Way]

Decided I'd try to hunt down some info on the topic. First, there's the obvious child porn link. Even assuming lolicon can be treated the same as 'real' child porn, correlation between consumption and actual crime is still debatable.

 

"According to one paper from the Mayo Clinic of the U.S.A. based on case reports of those under treatment, 30% to 80% of individuals who viewed child pornography and 76% of individuals who were arrested for Internet child pornography had molested a child. As the total number of those who view such images can not be ascertained, the ratio of passive viewing to molestation remains unknown."

 

You can find pieces like that anywhere on this topic. Basically, any claims of direct correlation are dubious at best.

 

The moderate, most credible observation, when it comes to lolicon and Japan is summed up here by Galbraith:

 

"Milton Diamond and Uchiyama Ayako show a trend towards more violent pornography and fewer sex crimes in Japan (Diamond and Uchiyama, 1999). This is not to suggest that consuming images of sexual violence somehow compensates for or relieves real desires."

 

There is no evidence whatsoever that consumption of lolicon pornography leads to sexual abuse, nor is there any proof that it prevents it.

 

More research should go into this topic before any decisions are made to outlaw lolicon. Of course, like everything else, governments never need evidence or research to back up a decision once a vote is passed.

[shuak]

Nothing wrong with people viewing controversial material as long as it doesn't lead to any crimes. Specifically, there has been no accurate research showing a deep correlation between individuals who like 2D edgy "child" content and the amount of cases concerning child molestation. As many of you have said above, the only reason loli and other explicit material is being banned(at least in the UK) is because the majority of government officials have a negative view of them as well as a portion of the UK's population. Personally, those attracted to kids(pedopohiles) disgust me. That is based on how I was raised and the conclusions I have been taught to come to. Same thing goes for incest whether it be blood-related incest or not.

"Just don't tell me about it." That basically sums up my view on pedophiles, lolicons, and 2D loli content.

[Lewycool]

Does the UK really want mass emigration? This is how you get mass emigration.

Well the UK would like it if the immigrants left But I doubt this affects the normal people. Only a few small people. to be fair this is old news and has been as law for sometime now. If the lolicons wanted to leave because of it, they would of done so by now

 

In anycase. Regarding to the ban on certain porn, its about disallowing those types to be made in the UK. I doubt it stops people from watching facesitting or what not.

[Narcosis]

[Mugi]

Well i'll be damned, it's legal to possess and bring loli into my state. I guess the US isn't completely terrible.

[Nosebleed]

Customs is a game of luck, I can tell you right now you can get screwed any time.

 

One time I got taxed ridiculous amounts of money for importing a single figure and anoother time they didn't even bother sending me an invoice when I imported 3 figures at once. The latter was during holiday season which probably increased the likelyhood of my package not getting checked.

My uncle lost all of his merchandise because pharmaceuticals were in it (drugs are illegal to import in most countries), but my grandfather recieved them just fine.

 

Of course in the above cases it's all about taxes, there was no obscene material involved, but it's just to showcase how random customs can be.

 

My advice will always be to just not import physical stuff that might be dubious, period. Otherwise you acknowledge you're playing russian roulette.

[Soulless Watcher]

 

I'm in trouble....

[sanahtlig]

That's a nice little infographic, but it's not terribly accurate.

 

"Loli" is not obscene by definition.  See the Miller Test for how US courts define obscenity.

 

Unfortunately, there is a Federal law in the books that criminalizes lolicon that fails the Miller Test: the Protect Act of 2003.  This law has not been struck down, and in fact appears to have been upheld in at least two court cases: United States v. Williams and United States v. Whorley.  This law applies to federally regulatable traffic, including mail and Internet downloads.

 

Wikipedia: Legal status of cartoon pornography depicting minors in the United States

 

 

Christopher Handley

In October 2008, a 38-year-old Iowa comic collector named Christopher Handley was prosecuted for possession of explicit lolicon manga. The judge ruled that two parts of the PROTECT Act criminalizing "a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting" were unconstitutional, but Handley still faced an obscenity charge.[56] Handley was [sentenced] in May 2009 as the result of entering a guilty plea bargain at the recommendation his lawyer, under the belief that the jury chosen to judge him would not acquit him of the obscenity charges if they were shown the images of question.

 

 

Christian Bee

In October 2012, after being reported August 2011 by his wife, a 36 year old man named Christian Bee in Monett, Missouri entered a plea bargain to "possession of cartoons depicting child pornography", with the US attorney's office for the Western District of Missouri recommending a 3-year prison sentence without parole. The office in conjunction with the Southwest Missouri Cyber Crimes Task Force argued that the "Incest Comics" on Bee's computer "clearly lack any literary, artistic, political or scientific value".

 

 

It's kind of pointless to discuss state laws since you can be charged under federal laws in any state.

 

The moral of this story: don't get your legal advice from 4chan.  And beware attempts to condense a very complicated subject into a cute little infographic.