AmamiRiku Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 I know it was passed a long time ago (~5 years) but I was wondering what people thought of this law http://www.backlash-uk.org.uk/the-law/dangerous-cartoons-act/ I think it's somewhat similar to the non existent youths act that was considered (but not passed) in japan at around the same time period. I get that the government would want to prevent people from being 'influence' by hentai and the like into doing dangerous things but aren't there also a few bad effects? 1. What if some people are already lolicons/pedophiles? Wouldn't the absence of material like hentai lead to the guy having pent up frustrations which would lead to him to try it out in real life? (bit of an extreme example). Kinda like withdrawal? 2.As it says in that article, most animes/mangas these days are based on high schoolers, and for that reason a majority of hentai is also based on high schoolers, so wouldn't most hentai be made illegal as well? And 3. I really, really, really don't want to lose Grisaia just cuz of Makina Opinions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aniki Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Well, one thing's for certain. I'm lucky I'm not British. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmamiRiku Posted April 9, 2015 Author Share Posted April 9, 2015 you got that right >.< Britain seems to have so many weird laws, like, there was this one about a year ago where the ISPs were forced to block ALL porn siteshttp://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/03/david-cameron-internet-porn-filter-censorship-creep So if you want to watch porn, you need to CALL your ISP, and ASK them to unblock PORN. Its just so screwed up As that article says: " Linda is calling because, thanks to David Cameron's "porn filter", you now have an "unavoidable choice", as one of 20 million British households with a broadband connection, over whether to opt in to view certain content. Linda wants to know – do you want to be able to see hardcore pornography? How about information on illegal drugs? Or gay sex, or abortion? Your call may be recorded for training and monitoring purposes. How about obscene and tasteless material? Would you like to see that? Speak up, Linda can't hear you." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getsuya Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 I'm just so disconnected from this topic. A lady came into the office the other day and, in casual conversation, said: "All the guys in Japan are lolicons," while my three female coworkers all nodded in silent agreement because apparently it's just an accepted fact here. The concept of NOT having loli stuff is so foreign to anyone living in Japan it's hard to even imagine. Tell an animator over here not to draw a little magical girl's panties and he'll look at you like you just told him not to draw her eyes. Edit: Sorry I forgot to point out in my post that I live in Japan. That was what Japanese ladies were saying about Japanese men. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aniki Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Heh. Prejudice is to be expected since all they've heard about Japan is about lolis. People over there in England call every Japanese man a lolicon but they sometimes forget most of their country, especially their government, are filled with wankers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmamiRiku Posted April 9, 2015 Author Share Posted April 9, 2015 most of their country, especially their government, are filled with wankers. You can say that again, s2g 3/4ths of people here are retarded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosebleed Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Every country has their set of weird laws. I'm not at all surprised the UK has a law like this, just like France has one. I'm just happy my country is still oblivious enough not to care. But I wouldn't put all the blame on the country, Japan doesn't exactly try to enforce a different stereotype when it comes to its media. Not even talking just about lolis, plenty of highschooler characters in anime/manga are put in sexually explicit situations, and that's even considered child pornography in Canada. On the other hand, other countries also don't make the effort to understand Japan's media and just apply their set of rules and values which, to some extent, is fair enough given that they can make whatever rules they want, it's their country, but on the other hand is really narrow minded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satsuki Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 I don't live in UK, so...who care Still, with these kind of thing, it will be like "it's fine as long as you don't get caught". Just don't watch loli anime/play lolige in public and everything will be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuri Hunter Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 I don't even know the laws of my country about it, so i'll just continue my Loli-Loli Hunter not caring '-' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosebleed Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 My country's laws are incredibly vague in terms of pornography. While sharing (and as far as i'm concerned, posessing) real life child pornography is prohibited here (like any other modern country), I can't find any specific laws in the type of content that constitutes child pornography outside of the obvious scope. There's no mentions of cartoons in any place. Portugal doesn't even have a specific child pornography law as much as an "obscene material" law which states that any material that's obscene to the point of causing social disturbance or conflicts with other civil rights is prohibited under the law. But I've seen bestiality manga being sold at conventions, so I'm guessing that as long as you're not showing lolicon to little kids and you're over 18, you're probably safe. But, just to stay safe, I don't import physical porn games, especially if the cover itself contains pornography (costums have the right to play your game any time they want and if your cover is blantant porn then they're more likely to) and I vividly advice anyone to do the same. You have to understand lolicon is not accepted in public society and you're in the minority so you should probably act accordingly. These are the kind of laws that you just have to subject yourself to instead of raging against them because you're likely never going to win a debate for lolicon material due to people's mindsets having radically different moral values. Fred the Barber 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaguya Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 We may or may not have a law against this in Brazil. Even if we do, it won't ever be enforced, so it doesn't really matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuri Hunter Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 We may or may not have a law against this in Brazil. Even if we do, it won't ever be enforced, so it doesn't really matter. Newspapers show some "pedophiles" being arrested, but I never heard the word lolicon in my life in Brazil, and I don't think i'll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaguya Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Newspapers show some "pedophiles" being arrested, but I never heard the word lolicon in my life in Brazil, and I don't think i'll. Meh, even if they were to arrest someone for that I doubt they'd use that word. It'd be more like "cartoon porn" or something. We have plenty of useless laws, so seeing one like this wouldn't get me surprised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solidbatman Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 The US had a series of interesting court cases that established the law regarding pornographic material in the US. The main case that allowed it was Roth v. United States in which Roth was allowed to sell pornographic material across state lines under certain circumstances in a 6-3 vote. The majority opinion held that the First Amendment of the US Constitution, the protection of free speech, did not protect obscene materials. In an expansion of the opinion, Miller v. California, the Court acted in a more specific manner stating that obscene materials were only allowed if the material appealed to the average sexual desire, the material adheres to sexual laws (such as age of consent), and if the material, taken as a whole, maintains any artistic, scientific, literary, or political value. If it failed to meet any of these three conditions, it is considered outlawed. This case is why loli porn in the US is such a razer thin line to try and walk. It fails to meet any of the three conditions, and is typically an outright violation of the second condition regarding current sexual laws. The Courts, in that ruling also ruled that you are not protected by free speech in regards to pornographic material. So the law is there via the Supreme Court. Just the enforcement is the hard part. In case you couldn't tell... I research US government and study it in uni. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulless Watcher Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 How come you can get arrested for wanking to drawings depicting sexual activities with minors, but you don't get arrested for murder/planning terroistic actions by playing Call of Duty or any FPS? Isn't the underlying principle the same? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosebleed Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 How come you can get arrested for wanking to drawings depicting sexual activities with minors, but you don't get arrested for murder/planning terroistic actions by playing Call of Duty or any FPS? Isn't the underlying principle the same? *triggered* Yes, it is in a way. But war and violence depictions are much more common in media all over the world. You see it all the time, people have been much more exposed to it and thus don't find games like Call of Duty to be illegal. Although plenty of radical groups of people have tried to get games like GTA banned. But the sole difference here is the fact that the character depicted is underaged. People flip their shit when it involves kids. Essentially speaking: we're all biased pricks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulless Watcher Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 People flip their shit when it involves kids. That's funny considering a U.S. Department of Health and Human Services survey showed 62.8% of American children suffered from neglect (in 2005). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narcosis Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Point out as single country in this world, that hasn't got it's laws all f*cked up. This goes especially for anything regarding child porn (or "pornographic content" in general), morally ambigious stuff and anything else that might (or may not) offend your goverment officials. The moral police is waiting just over the corner for you to make a single mistake, so they can get you jailed along with other criminal scum, including murderers, rapists, psychos etc. and they will do everything they can to make your life miserable. We're living in a very funny age, where police can raid your house and jail you for a bunch of pixels, while a real sex offender next door might just be preying on another (underaged) victim. Another factor is that: 1. The more influence certain radical/conservative factions have in your country, the harder it is to voice your opinions (actually, no - as long as that opinion isn't against theirs, which rarely happens) 2. Anything regarding minors is sacred. Aside from that, some countries are fucking prude and you won't change that no matter what, mainly because #1 makes anything you'd like to change irrelevant right from the start. If anyone would like to make this world a better place, he'd have to nuclear bomb half of it first and pray so that no more new radical religions sprout out. You can't heal stupidity, that's for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulless Watcher Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Another factor is that: 1. The more influence certain radical/conservative factions have in your country, the harder it is to voice your opinions (actually, no - as long as that opinion isn't against theirs, which rarely happens) 2. Anything regarding minors is sacred. Aside from that, some countries are fucking prude and you won't change that no matter what, mainly because #1 makes anything you'd like to change irrelevant right from the start. If anyone would like to make this world a better place, he'd have to nuclear bomb half of it first and pray so that no more new radical religions sprout out. You can't heal stupidity, that's for sure. You know a mass extinction of the populace would likely increase the number of radical religions, going by Fallout standards at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuee Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 How come you can get arrested for wanking to drawings depicting sexual activities with minors, but you don't get arrested for murder/planning terroistic actions by playing Call of Duty or any FPS? Isn't the underlying principle the same? Because people have come to accept that playing games where you murder other people, even when you're rewarding for doing so, doesn't translate into real life. Even though most people believe that, they still think that being sexually attracted to kids means you'll sexually abuse them. If you like lolicon people will assume you're a pedophile, and since people believe just about all pedophiles have strong urges to go and molest children they'll think you do too. shuak 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funyarinpa Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 The best thing about cartoons is that you can depict any sort of fucked up shit, and it hurts nobody. Also one thing all these laws seem to be ignoring is that these media do not cause the fetish in question. If a person is a lolicon and a pedophile (I am not versed well enough to claim they are the same, though I would not support being a lolicon ensuring criminal action like pedophilia), they are a lolicon because they were fucking attracted to kids in the first place. Lolis do not, in any way, make people pedophiles. Moreover, I do not think loli material has any direct correlation with worsening pedophiles' "symptoms", so to speak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarkasmus Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 It's scientifically proven that it's a physical problem in the brain of those people which they were born with. It can't be caused or influenced by something they see, read, hear or whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosebleed Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 I don't think this is about lolicon to pedophile correlations as much as it is about being just being squimmish about this kind of stuff. Put a narrow minded/conservative congress together and laws like these are what you're going to get. You can make up 1000 imaginary reasons to be against something like this, and you might even have some form of emperical evidence to back it (I doubt it but, benefit of the doubt), but all in all you just don't like it, simple as that. You just think it's meh, but you'll never admit something illogical as having personal tastes, so you try to find evidence to back yourself up. In this case in particular it just so happens that the UK government doesn't like lolicon material so they prohibited it. And that's exactly what I hate about these kinds of laws that police people's thoughts and imagination. You might not like it, it might even gross you out, and that's fine, but that's no reason to inhibit other people from enjoying whatever they want, when it doesn't directly harm you in any way, shape or form. Soulless Watcher and LinovaA 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarkasmus Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 I see another problem with such laws. Because of those people who like sich things can get the feeling that they are worse than others even though it's not their fault for being like this and those who really need help are even less likely to search for it because they are too ashamed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulless Watcher Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 I see another problem with such laws. Because of those people who like sich things can get the feeling that they are worse than others even though it's not their fault for being like this and those who really need help are even less likely to search for it because they are too ashamed. As far as I know there is no direct correlation to people who are lolicons and actual pedophiles. The 2-D world is quite different from the 3-D world in several ways. Leaving that aside, if we are simply talking about acutal pedophiles, I doubt anyone would seek psychological help without some pressure from society. If society dosn't leave an impression that something is "wrong" or "abnormal" than there wouldn't be a precieved fault in the individual and thus no reason to seek help to correct a non-existant fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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