Moenovel teases localization of a new title

[Nosebleed]

12 minutes ago, WinterfuryZX said:

Females tend to like romantic stories, they can enjoy a simple all ages moege, there's really nothing strange.

I don't know man, my 11 year old sister seems to enjoy watching Minecraft Lets Plays more than reading a nice romantic story.

[Yuuko]

3 minutes ago, Nosebleed said:

I don't know man, my 11 year old sister seems to enjoy watching Minecraft Lets Plays more than reading a nice romantic story.

Dunno my sister is 14 and has been reading romance books for 2-3 years?

I also started reading romance books myself when I was like 11 or so.

Then again my sister got the books from me and doesn't use electronics  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[yorikbad]

1 hour ago, WinterfuryZX said:

Females tend to like romantic stories, they can enjoy a simple all ages moege, there's really nothing strange.

Females tend to like romantic stories where they can self-insert themselves in a female protagonist. How can 12 years french girl self insert in this guy:

I believe there's a million otome games this poor 12 years romance flick can choose from. But who am I to take away the right to play any game you like.

 

 

[Fred the Barber]

I'm pretty sure, based on my complete lack of references, females tend to like over-generalizing the preferences of the opposite gender, not all this stuff you guys are talking about.

[Zenophilious]

6 minutes ago, Fred the Barber said:

I'm pretty sure, based on my complete lack of references, females tend to like over-generalizing the preferences of the opposite gender, not all this stuff you guys are talking about.

No, they all like WW2 chuuni and are going to propel the Dies Irae Kickstarter to MuvLuv levels of success.  12-year-old girls are going to save the visual novel genre in the west 

[Fred the Barber]

49 minutes ago, Zenophilious said:

No, they all like WW2 chuuni and are going to propel the Dies Irae Kickstarter to MuvLuv levels of success.  12-year-old girls are going to save the visual novel genre in the west 

Nothing can save us now. Abandon all hope, ye who enter here.

[Decay]

7 hours ago, yorikbad said:

Females tend to like romantic stories where they can self-insert themselves in a female protagonist. How can 12 years french girl self insert in this guy:

I believe there's a million otome games this poor 12 years romance flick can choose from. But who am I to take away the right to play any game you like.

 

 

I think you should stop trying to theorize on what "females" like because this is a very cringeworthy conversation right now. I know plenty of women who like VNs with dude leads and I can see how Moenovel thinks they can market these kinds of games to younger girls. 

[Chuee]

1 hour ago, Decay said:

I think you should stop trying to theorize on what "females" like because this is a very cringeworthy conversation right now. I know plenty of women who like VNs with dude leads and I can see how Moenovel thinks they can market these kinds of games to younger girls. 

Well when you talk about marketing it's kind of important to focus on the bigger picture, which means trends among demographics. Sure plenty of guys like otome, and plenty of girls like galge, but each genre is still specifically designed for that one target gender. Even if you remove the sexual elements of a galge (though technically it's impossible to fully remove things like sexual tension), the game is still designed assuming a male player, with the ultimate goal of having that player fall in love with the heroines. Frankly, I think western romance stories are too different from that formula for you to infer that people who like sappy western romance stories (your young girls in this instance) would have a similar interest in galge romance stories. At least in the sense that doing things that would upset male players (removing sexual elements) wouldn't garner you enough people from different demographics to be worth it.  

Edited November 19, 2016 by Chuee

[Decay]

Sure, but Moenovel was aiming for an audience that may not be fully familiar with what bishoujo VNs are like. They saw an opportunity to tap into a market that none of the other VN publishers were ever able to do and I think they were actually very successful at that. Whether or not they'll be willing to go for a round 2 is another thing entirely, though.

[WinterfuryZX]

I own a few shoujo manga with male leads myself. It doesn't matter that much, I insist that a simple moege can be marketed to females( even more if it is a nakige like clannad).

[Dergonu]

3 minutes ago, Decay said:

Sure, but Moenovel was aiming for an audience that may not be fully familiar with what bishoujo VNs are like. They saw an opportunity to tap into a market that none of the other VN publishers were ever able to do and I think they were actually very successful at that. Whether or not they'll be willing to go for a round 2 is another thing entirely, though.

Uhh, actually, loads of VN localizations have both 18+ releases and steam releases, hitting both audiences. (Mangagamer and steam, Denpasoft and Sekai project, etc.) The only thing Moenovel did was release the all-ages version only, and not the 18+ one as well. 

It wasn't really a tactical move, it was a weird move. That's kind of the point.

Though, thanks to the fan-patched version, a good amount of people still buy this censored monstrosity, as they can at least patch back the original scenes. This has nothing to do with Moenovel's brilliant ideas though.

[Decay]

5 minutes ago, Dergonu said:

Uhh, actually, loads of VN localizations have both 18+ releases and steam releases, hitting both audiences. (Mangagamer and steam, Denpasoft and Sekai project, etc.) The only thing Moenovel did was release the all-ages version only, and not the 18+ one as well. 

It wasn't really a tactical move, it was a weird move. That's kind of the point.

Though, thanks to the fan-patched version, a good amount of people still buy this censored monstrosity, as they can at least patch back the original scenes. This has nothing to do with Moenovel's brilliant ideas though.

Moenovel did this before Steam hit and was hugely successful at it, according to them. They were specifically marketing those alternative audiences and were rewarded with more sales than anything any other company was able to manage at the time.

Edited November 19, 2016 by Decay

[Dergonu]

Just now, Decay said:

Moenovel did this before Steam hit and was hugely successful at it, according to them. They were specifically marketing those alternative audiences and were rewarded with more sales than anything any other company was able to manage at the time.

There really is no way to pull out the numbers and show how many people bought the game simply because the existence of the fan patch, but I'd bet it is the primary bulk of them. Even on steam, they are highly discredited, and talks about the restoration patch is 90% of the discussions there. All other communities, like Fuwanovel for instance, does the same.

It wasn't Moenovel's success, it was the fact that fans were able to somehow salvage their release that made it a hit.

[Decay]

5 minutes ago, Dergonu said:

There really is no way to pull out the numbers and show how many people bought the game simply because the existence of the fan patch, but I'd bet it is the primary bulk of them. Even on steam, they are highly discredited, and talks about the restoration patch is 90% of the discussions there. All other communities, like Fuwanovel for instance, does the same.

It wasn't Moenovel's success, it was the fact that fans were able to somehow salvage their release that made it a hit.

Eh, I just sort of doubt that. You'd be surprised at how few people are clued into that kind of stuff or simply don't care. And like I said, this was all before they released on Steam, when they sold supposedly over ten thousand copies without Steam's help.

I'm willing to bet most of the people who played with the restoration patch did not buy the game.

[Nier]

I bought the game from Play-Asia and never opened it because I am still waiting on the patch from Pabloc and that patch is going to be compatible with the japanese version afterall, nobody wants to touch MoeNovel's crap.

Edited November 19, 2016 by Nier

[Dergonu]

6 minutes ago, Decay said:

Eh, I just sort of doubt that. You'd be surprised at how few people are clued into that kind of stuff or simply don't care. And like I said, this was all before they released on Steam, when they sold supposedly over ten thousand copies without Steam's help.

I'm willing to bet most of the people who played with the restoration patch did not buy the game.

I'm sure there was a small amount of time there, before people actually knew how insanely this game was butchered where it sold, yeah.

I still don't think any of the real sucess this game has seen has anything at all to do with Moenovel's "brilliant sale's tactics." (AKA marketing eroge for 12 year olds.)

(Hell, I'm personally responsible for 3 steam sales of this monster.) 1 for myself (to play with the restoration patch of course,) and 2 as gifts for my friends, (with a link to the patch attatched.)

2 minutes ago, Nier said:

I bought the game from Play-Asia and never opened it because I am still waiting on the patch from Pabloc and that patch is going to be compatible with the japanese version afterall, nobody wants to touch MoeNovel's crap.

Exactly.

I bet there is plenty of people who quite honestly either didn't know the game was butchered beyond belief when they bought it, or who simply bought the Japanese version to wait it out for the patch, as they know it's coming.

[littleshogun]

I'd just using Japanese version and patched it using available translation patch out there (Also add H scenes ie came from restoration patch) ie not buying original Moenovel version. I still thankful to them though, if only for their messy translation lol.

Anyway, if some user said that is there a hame with Akihabara and shrine, I said Steins Gate was qualified (There's a shrine for short time) which of course not. Though with silhouettes of three girls and lotus (Or maybe water lilies) it's quite hard to see. It could be one of the VN at VNDB, but with almost 20,000 entry let's just said it'll be very hard to search. Or maybe it could be new title and seeing that crowfunding and chapter release based becaming trend, maybe MoeNovel will do the same although I'm not sure though.

[Decay]

14 minutes ago, Dergonu said:

I'm sure there was a small amount of time there, before people actually knew how insanely this game was butchered where it sold, yeah.

I still don't think any of the real sucess this game has seen has anything at all to do with Moenovel's "brilliant sale's tactics." (AKA marketing eroge for 12 year olds.)

(Hell, I'm personally responsible for 3 steam sales of this monster.) 1 for myself (to play with the restoration patch of course,) and 2 as gifts for my friends, (with a link to the patch attatched.)

Exactly.

I bet there is plenty of people who quite honestly either didn't know the game was butchered beyond belief when they bought it, or who simply bought it to wait it out for the patch, as they know it's coming.

I really don't think you can use your experiences with this community considering we weren't the community they were targeting. The actions members here and on similar sites take are irrelevant. But neither side here has actual evidence to back their claims so this is going nowhere fast. We should probably just drop this entirely.

[Dergonu]

3 minutes ago, Decay said:

But neither side here has actual evidence to back their claims so this is going nowhere fast. We should probably just drop this entirely.

True, we should probably just leave it there

 

Now, let's just hope this new game is handled better than the old one, with a better TL and no censorship. (Though, I have a bad feeling it won't be. )

[Zenophilious]

The new VN they're translating is called LoveKami -Divinity Stage-.  Proof.  I guess it's a sequel to the original, or something?

The site says it'll be released sometime in December.  It apparently uses the E-mote system.  inb4 Nekopara bait.

EDIT: Top kek.

[Decay]

Yeah, this seems to be a new game in the LoveKami "franchise" (I guess it's a franchise now?). They seem to be abandoning all pretenses of releasing games for all possible audiences with this one and are very overtly targeting the horny steam user demographic. Except they still aren't comfortable with 18+ content and perhaps they're leery of censoring eroge after IMHHW backlash, so they decided to just make a new VN that has enormous amounts of ecchi but no porn?

[WinterfuryZX]

Man... this looks like... pure garbage... It ssems they decided to declare war to the sakura series.

[Shota_Victory]

When will artists get over their hyper-breast fetish?

6 minutes ago, WinterfuryZX said:

It ssems they decided to declare war to the sakura series.

At least Sakura has 18+ patches. 

[Basileus777]

And Moenovel outed themselves as being the people responsible for localizing Shuffle by forgetting to edit their template.

[Zenophilious]

16 minutes ago, Basileus777 said:

And Moenovel outed themselves as being the people responsible for localizing Shuffle by forgetting to edit their template.

Yeah, I saw that when I was trying to copy that hilarious "About MoeNovel" text.  I hope that makes people stay the hell away from anything YumeHaven releases.

It's still up there, at the very top of the page.