Sekai Project Official Grisaia Translation?

[douggle]

Basically its like this the Steam Version will be the All ages port, but there will be an offsite patch that will turn it back into the 18+ 

[madvanced]

If there isn't at least a 18+ patch it's a deal breaker.

[douggle]

Even if it turns out there isnt an 18 patch even though its pretty clear by now that there will be its not a deal breaker for me. 

[Zakamutt]

At this point I kinda wonder if editing the OP with "Sekai project is planning to provide a patch to restore h-content, which will be available somewhere not on Steam." in 40pt bold type would help with all this, though I guess a decent few people would just skip to the last post anyway. Sigh.

[madvanced]

Even if it turns out there isnt an 18 patch even though its pretty clear by now that there will be its not a deal breaker for me. 

 

I say it's a deal breaker because for me it's like the story is chopped up. There was a thread some months ago about h-scenes in VN, and there was a point that some people made, including myself, that we didn't even like h-scenes all that much, but they are good for the development and reality of a relationship complementing, more often than not, the overall story itself.

[douggle]

Wow not sure what happened there but I will try this again, I was saying, maybe that would be best Zaka because some people just don't get it. 

[madvanced]

 

 

 

 

 

I had read what Zakamutt wrote, I was just trying to make a point.

[Darklord Rooke]

 

I say it's a deal breaker because for me it's like the story is chopped up. There was a thread some months ago about h-scenes in VN, and there was a point that some people made, including myself, that we didn't even like h-scenes all that much, but they are good for the development and reality of a relationship complementing, more often than not, the overall story itself.

 

I don't buy this reason. A h-scene is not needed to show development of a relationship, there's nothing in the scene the audience needs to know that is critical to understanding the progression of a relationship, and in most cases the mere understanding the act took place is enough for the audience. It is realistic true, it's also bloat which is dull to a lot of people. If you like H-Scenes that's fine, however I draw the line when people start saying it's necessary.

[Zakamutt]

I suppose meow might've been discussing it all in a more abstract manner. Anyway, I wonder if the vita version (which, remember, will be ported to PC and according to Sekai Project will have a patch to restore h-content distributed on a non-Steam site) will really feel like that much is missing. As you may or may not have seen, the leadup to the sex is preserved, so it's not a whole lot of text cut. Adult jokes are also preserved; the vn's Vita version is still rated 17+ in Japan.

[madvanced]

 

 

 

I don't buy this reason. A h-scene is not needed to show development of a relationship, there's nothing in the scene the audience needs to know that is critical to understanding the progression of a relationship, and in most cases the mere understanding the act took place is enough for the audience. It is realistic true, it's also bloat which is dull to a lot of people. If you like H-Scenes that's fine, however I draw the line when people start saying it's "necessary for the story."

 

I get your reasoning, but in my personal opinion I find it necessary to the story that's all there is to it. But let's not start this discussion here, I don't want to start derailing this topic more than I already have.

[Zakamutt]

This is probably more fit for another thread, but I feel compelled to chime in with something (hopefully) more nuanced.

 

As for h-scenes changing how a story plays out, in practice there might be something to it. Thing is, in general originally all-ages releases tend to shy away from sex altogether instead of employing the good old fade to black. Thus, the structure created by including h-scenes can carry over to an all-ages version. Of course, writing this kind of thing from the start is very possible, but you'll probably not see it very often (inb4 I'm proven wrong by someone reading jp stuff.)

 

OELVNs might be able to employ that kind of thing more frequently, though. It's not that uncommon in other media, after all.

[Narcosis]

This is actually a very positive thing, not only for the future SP releases, but for all the visual novel developers in general. It means that Valve simply wants to stick to their TOS for now, but that only applies to game versions which are published through Steam; they don't mind 18+ patches for the games published through Steam; they simply don't want to see them being shipped with game through their platform. There's also a huge possibility the TOS will change completely in the near future, allowing 18+ content to be published on Steam.

 

As for the western Grisaia version, that's really great. We'll both get the enchanced game build being shipped with PSP/PSVita and get the h-content as well. This is like a completely powered up, ultimate version of Grisaia and I couldn't ask for anything better.

[Funnerific]

There's also a hugew possibility the TOS will change completely in the near future, allowing 18+ content being published on Steam.

The moment they do that, Valve will lose a huge chunk of their userbase because all American moms will learn of this through every newspaper, TV channel, rumour or blog (and many more in the rest of the world). There is a parent control feature and I don't know how effective it is, but the kid can just secretly make a separate account for 18+ games so he'll probably be denied Steam altogether.

[Zenophilious]

The moment they do that, Valve will lose a huge chunk of their userbase because all American moms will learn of this through every newspaper, TV channel, rumour or blog (and many more in the rest of the world). There is a parent control feature and I don't know how effective it is, but the kid can just secretly make a separate account for 18+ games so he'll probably be denied Steam altogether.

I don't know how effective it is, either, but most parental control features have a way around them if you try hard enough.  They're really only good for use with kids that don't know anything about tech or that would never think about breaking rules.  But yeah, I'm sure Fox News would jump right on that if it ever happened; anyone remember the whole Mass Effect sex "scandal"?

 

This is actually a very positive thing, not only for the future SP releases, but for all the visual novel developers in general. It means that Valve simply wants to stick to their TOS for now, but that only applies to game versions which are published through Steam; they don't mind 18+ patches for the games published through Steam; they simply don't want to see them being shipped with game through their platform. There's also a hugew possibility the TOS will change completely in the near future, allowing 18+ content being published on Steam.

 

As for the western Grisaia version, that's really great. We'll both get the enchanced game build being shipped with PSP/PSVita and get the h-content as well. This is like a completely powered up, ultimate version of Grisaia and I couldn't ask for anything better.

Ahh, that makes me feel better, then.  I thought they weren't going to translate the "adult" content at all; even if they don't, I'm sure people will just use the unofficial translation and put them in the Steam version.

[douggle]

Nah its pretty clear at this point there will be an offsite 18+ patch. So it works out. Gotta remember TLwiki is working with Sekai Project, they were the ones who originally did the fan translation, they wouldnt sign off on some half assed deal 

[Decay]

Steam is getting progressively more open and they still talk like they're going to bust the whole thing wide open and allow anyone to release almost anything through it within the next year or so. But I don't think they'll start allowing 18+ stuff. The image hit you take when you allow that kind of content is huge, too big even for Steam. They're also talking about having multiple different storefronts on the service ran by both official channels and by the community, so maybe they would allow a specific 18+ storefront but eh... I'm doubtful. They don't want to be seen as some seedy place. Just my two cents.

[Mr Poltroon]

Seems like a good day to revive a dead topic, don't you think? Fantastic weather, if I do say so myself.
 
Sekai Project has clarified a bit of information on the Grisaia no Kajitsu release we'll be getting, and so, I've aggregated everything I've found. 
-It'll be released on Steam. 
-It'll be the Vita version. It'll not have H-Scenes. It'll instead have extra scenes.
 
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->No 18+ Patch plans
http://sekaiproject.tumblr.com/post/97546989591/since-youll-be-releasing-the-all-ages-version-of 
They state Steam doesn't let them release an 18+ patch. Probably a misunderstanding referring to upgrading the game on steam since this goes against an earlier statement by another member of staff (Raymond Qian - RQ on the Sekai Tumbler, who also answers some questions, note the signature):
https://twitter.com/dobacco/status/496741478337482753
Also note that that statement was made back in August, on twitter. It is liable to inaccuracy's and mistakes.
 
->The Version on Steam will be the Vita
http://sekaiproject.tumblr.com/post/97599164916/i-recently-read-your-answer-to-an-anonymous-asking
http://sekaiproject.tumblr.com/post/97604658311/sorry-i-am-confused-about-a-previous-post-referring-to
Here they talk about how it's going to be the Vita version. 
This Vita version was made by the same company who made Grisaia in the first place. It does not have H-Scenes, it instead has extra scenes.
This is an image of the game that is being brought to Steam (no H-Scenes):

NSFW

http://www.gamer.ne.jp/news/201307230047/image/8/

 
->Conflicting statements
http://sekaiproject.tumblr.com/post/97607478316/so-are-you-ruling-out-the-possibility-of-an-18
Please note the miscommunication between different members of the Sekai staff.
https://twitter.com/dobacco/status/486377261679919104
 
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Now for my personal opinion. 
Releasing a game with H-Scenes on Steam would probably do more harm than good (not to mention it wouldn't be allowed in the first place), so I'm very pleased with the fact that it'll be the Vita version. 
At least for now, it appears the staff's either divided or their plans have changed since back in August, no uncensored version is in sight, probably since there is nothing to uncensor, as the story has been rewritten to not include said scenes in the first place. 
That image is also clear proof that the adult humor isn't going anywhere, so the story won't be hurt there. 
The main, story-wise problem with this version is Amane's route, who actually uses the H-Scenes for something useful. It was written by Frontwing, so I'll just have blind faith myself. 
 
Finally, I'll just say this. If it does turn out to be a problem, the fans can always do their magic and put H-Scenes back in.
The version being put on Steam is for the masses, who wouldn't really know what they're missing. Not for us hardened fans who want H-Scenes everywhere for no good reason and have already read the bloody thing.

[Erogamer]

This is why I hate it when companies release visual novels on Steam. I like what Mangagamer is doing by releasing "All Ages" versions on Steam AFTER releasing 18+ on their own site first. Sekai should do the same thing.

[Mr Poltroon]

This is why I hate it when companies release visual novels on Steam. I like what Mangagamer is doing by releasing "All Ages" versions on Steam AFTER releasing 18+ on their own site first. Sekai should do the same thing.

Again, this isn't completely off the table. The staff member who did the clarification seems to contradict what was earlier stated by a different member. This leads me to believe that the various staff have different views on the matter and that this may not be the final say on it.

 

Think about this: Since the versions are technically different, maybe Sekai doesn't have the rights to translate the PC version? Again, they may just be trying to be in the good graces of Steam, or maybe they don't care about getting the 18+ version officially translated. 

[Heizei_koukousei]

All discussion aside.

 

Many of us have played Grisaia no Kajitsu and we all loved it. When your a fan of the something wouldn't you want to see a remake with all of the story? But also as true fans we must be accepting that not all people find entertainment in the sexual content found in VNs and that Steam is going to support that. I mean look at Steam, you just go to the visual novel tag list and you obviously see its new to this sort of thing. We should not have "deal breakers", we must support what we love. If you don't like what's happening, that's okay. But you have access to a version that does have H-scenes, don't take that for granted!

So I think we should come together and appreciate the fact that VNs truly are becoming more popular. It will happen in due time, like any fashion or fad we will have our day in the limelight

[sanahtlig]

I'm a bit annoyed that Sekai Project got our hopes up with hints of an 18+ release and seems to be backpedaling from that now.  We do know that with the release of Chou Dengeki Stryker, it's confirmed that Steam will allow an 18+ English release to coexist with a non-adult Steam release.  So Sekai Project can't hide behind the Steam ToS here.  An 18+ release of Grisaia outside of Steam is possible.  If it doesn't happen, it's because Sekai Project was unwilling or unable to make it happen.

 

In any case, I'm not interested in an all-ages version of Grisaia or its successors.  If they want my support, they'll have to release an 18+ version.

[Zakamutt]

I still think the potential backpedaling is just bad communication, but if it isn't I'll be disappointed. I suppose a fan patch re-introducing the h-scenes might be comparatively easy to certain other things if people really feel like it though...

[Boon]

Funny enough, I'm with the prude Tiagofvarela on this one. The h-scenes in Grisaia never appealed to me anyway. I never mixed the appreciation of good stories with porn, so porn mixed with good stories are rather 'meh' to me. Furthermore, premarital underage sex (at least definitely underage for Makina's case) never felt romantic to me. First dates, watching the moon, watching a horror movie with your girlfriend, and other corny date-ish stuff like that are more fun than watching two people fuck away with cum and sweat. Like I said, porn and good stories separated. It's not a pretty sight to mix them, at least for my own preference.

 

Besides, the extra replacement scenes might be fun. They might further develop the characters for all we know. Realta Nua's Fate scenes gave us that epic Saber-Dragon, for example. Sure, the other two routes sucked with their extra scenes, but who cares? My favorite character is Saber. But yeah, Grisaia might have something like that. Michiru's sex scenes always felt ooc to me anyway, so it'd be nice to have extra scenes to give her the much-needed character growth in her route.

[Decay]

It seems like backpedalling but Koestl is still trying to keep people optimistic on the prospects of an 18+ release. If there won't be an 18+ version then they should just keep quiet instead of trying to keep people hopeful. Or better yet, just say straight-out what the current status is. Even if they don't know yet what will be possible, just say that, people will understand. 

[Zenophilious]

It seems like backpedalling but Koestl is still trying to keep people optimistic on the prospects of an 18+ release. If there won't be an 18+ version then they should just keep quiet instead of trying to keep people hopeful. Or better yet, just say straight-out what the current status is. Even if they don't know yet what will be possible, just say that, people will understand.