Sekai Project Official Grisaia Translation?

[Narcosis]

I believe this falls into a topic for the Fuwanovel podcast. Episode #10, you should volunteer for it.

 

https://forums.fuwanovel.net/index.php?/topic/5077-fuwanovel-podcast-fuwacast-official-thread/

 

Everyone else should volunteer for that episode as well. There is a lot of interesting discussion in this thread.

There's nothing to discuss; I once managed a polish vn-oriented blog with infrequent english posting as well, but that's it. People don't care and it's not worth to do anything within the community, that's not the point of it. Either western communities finally grow up, or the whole gaming will remain within one, huge sandbox. I couldn't care less, to be honest. It's not like I can't get the original with previous english TL.

 

This has more CG's and extra scenes. It's just missing porn that really doesn't do much in Grisaia at all besides a few jokes.

Also you are insane if you think Grisaia being on steam doesn't help. The amount of people that use steam is insane, this is absolutely the best way to get it out to as many people as possible.

 

 

That is 100% False, steam would immediately pull it off. I don't care how pissed you are over a couple of pointless porn scenes, but leave ignorant nonsense out of it please.

You don't know much about Steam, if you say so. There were tons of games already released like Grisaia; their sole prospect of relase being that Steam will help their developers to get bigger sales and recognition, they need. Guess what? They all usually drop down below the lists within a couple of first hours. Only huge titles make it to the top; otherwise, it's the same as everywhere - you do not exist. Steam isn't some sort of miracle anymore; everyone today has access and possibilities to pull their games onto Steam, as long as Valve and users like them. Please stop spreading common misconceptions.

 

Games like Grisaia won't ever shine on western market. It's a type of publishing that currently almost falls into "hobbyist" categories. No matter how hard groups like Sekai will try, they won't "force" them through and Steam won't help them. The only possibility is to keep a consistent streak of high quality releases, close to the original versions as possible. How are they supposed to publish games well and move on further, if they fail to please their core community?

[zoom909]

This has more CG's and extra scenes. It's just missing porn that really doesn't do much in Grisaia at all besides a few jokes.

I'd like to know about the extra scenes.  Where did you find that info?  Are they the ones used in the console version or something?

[Wahfuu]

There's nothing to discuss; I once managed a polish vn-oriented blog with infrequent english posting as well, but that's it. People don't care and it's not worth to do anything within the community, that's not the point of it. Either western communities finally grow up, or the whole gaming will remain within one, huge sandbox. I couldn't care less, to be honest. It's not like I can't get the original with previous english TL.

I'm not sure what the point of you saying that was, but okay.

Grisaia absolutely gains more by being on steam. That isn't arguable. Saying that "advertising it to a gigantic population doesn't matter because it's niche." Is just wrong in more ways than I can think of.

Grisaia's "integrity" will not be harmed. It's based off an official release made by the original creators, with added stuff, removed H-scenes. Have you played Grisaia? If you have, you should know all the sex is basically pointless outside of some of the humor involved in 2 of the routes.

[Funnerific]

I'm not sure what the point of you saying that was, but okay.

Grisaia absolutely gains more by being on steam. That isn't arguable. Saying that "advertising it to a gigantic population doesn't matter because it's niche." Is just wrong in more ways than I can think of.

Grisaia's "integrity" will not be harmed. It's based off an official release made by the original creators, with added stuff, removed H-scenes. Have you played Grisaia? If you have, you should know all the sex is basically pointless outside of some of the humor involved in 2 of the routes.

They better not take out that conversation in the prelude of Makina's 2nd H-scene, because that would be a significant loss.

[Narcosis]

Grisaia's "integrity" will not be harmed. It's based off an official release made by the original creators, with added stuff, removed H-scenes. Have you played Grisaia? If you have, you should know all the sex is basically pointless outside of some of the humor involved in 2 of the routes.

No, I haven't played the game yet, I've only seen a couple of dialogues and some of that h-content; I'm not that stupid to spoil all the fun for myself. I'm not fighting for it, either. I'm simply stating Sekai is starting to take way too many liberties with their localization process. If they can't handle eroge, I'd rather see them release non-h games only. Back then, when Steam didn't exist, this wouldn't prove to be that much of a problem. But now, everyone just wants to be on Steam, cause they are too scared, self-centered and not strong enough to take things into their own hands, at least not anymore.

[Wahfuu]

No, I haven't played the game yet, I've only seen a couple of dialogues and some of that h-content; I'm not that stupid to spoil all the fun for myself. I'm not fighting for it, either. I'm simply stating Sekai is starting to take way too many liberties with their localization process. If they can't handle eroge, I'd rather see them release non-h games only. Back then, when Steam didn't exist, this wouldn't prove to be that much of a problem.

Congratulations on speaking about a 'watered down' version of a game you've never even played. Firstly:

You don't know much about Steam, if you say so. There were tons of games already released like Grisaia; their sole prospect of relase being that Steam will help their developers to get bigger sales and recognition, they need. Guess what? They all usually drop down below the lists within a couple of first hours. Only huge titles make it to the top; otherwise, it's the same as everywhere - you do not exist. Steam isn't some sort of miracle anymore; everyone today has access and possibilities to pull their games onto Steam, as long as Valve and users like them. Please stop spreading common misconceptions.

 

Games like Grisaia won't ever shine on western market. It's a type of publishing that currently almost falls into "hobbyist" categories. No matter how hard groups like Sekai will try, they won't "force" them through and Steam won't help them. The only possibility is to keep a consistent streak of high quality releases, close to the original versions as possible. How are they supposed to publish games well and move on further, if they fail to please their core community?

Name me one game where you could patch it to have full frontal 10 minute, multiple porn scenes. There is absolutely nothing like that on Steam. Are you seriously going to try and tell me that putting Grisaia on the biggest digital distrubution gaming software in the world won't increase sales at all? Grisaia isn't supposed to sell 100k, but it'll sell more on steam than anywhere else. That isn't something that can be argued. It has a better chance on steam than anywhere else. I hope you have some sort of history/sales records per time dedicated for the games on steam, because if you don't all you are doing is sprouting ignorance and bullshit.

Secondly, 'core community?' Are you the fucking core community now? If anything I've seen a 50/50~ ish split for people who are for all ages and against it, most of the time because people think that the game is just getting its H-scene's hacked off ala kono-sora. Which isn't true at all.

Grisaia's status as a game isn't harmed by the removal of H-scenes, and being on steam if anything only opens the avaliability of it. There is no harm done to Grisaia or to it's future sales if it goes on steam. So what is your argument here?

[douggle]

No, I haven't played the game yet, I've only seen a couple of dialogues and some of that h-content; I'm not that stupid to spoil all the fun for myself. I'm not fighting for it, either. I'm simply stating Sekai is starting to take way too many liberties with their localization process. If they can't handle eroge, I'd rather see them release non-h games only. Back then, when Steam didn't exist, this wouldn't prove to be that much of a problem. But now, everyone just wants to be on Steam, cause they are too scared, self-centered and not strong enough to take things into their own hands, at least not anymore.

If you haven't read the novel your opinion is invalid as you have no idea what you are talking about.

[メルP]

Some of my random thoughts:
Sekai project is shit, always knew that (and Steam is heresy)
But in this case, as I understand, we might get a version that has some additional scenes (maybe not, but there is a chance!). Since there is no way to hack PS Vita, it might be possible to take new CGs from that version. In this case it might not be that bad.

[Zodai]

I'm actually a fan of Sekai Project - at the very least they seem to not be doing anything terrible, and everyone's happy to get more games over here.

 

Just wanted to put that in here.

[douggle]

We are getting those new scenes that were talked about. So I think its a fair tradeoff.

[メルP]

I'm actually a fan of Sekai Project - at the very least they seem to not be doing anything terrible, and everyone's happy to get more games over here.

I m not happy with having more VNs over here. Especially in a way Sekai project does it.

[Nosebleed]

I also don't like Steam but it's better than nothing at all. Maybe they'll have it available through other outlets, we still don't know that much.

[douggle]

I m not happy with having more VNs over here. Especially in a way Sekai project does it.

Why not? More interest in the medium is a good thing..Kind of sounds like you are being a hipster that way. 

[メルP]

Why not? More interest in the medium is a good thing..

Don't know how should I answer that in a way that won't turn this thread in a pile of offopic and without writing a few walls of text (and I don't feel like doing this). So in short... no, I don't agree.

[douggle]

Don't know how should I answer that in a way that won't turn this thread in a pile of offopic and without writing a few walls of text (and I don't feel like doing this). So in short... no, I don't agree.

Whatever floats your boat, personally I am looking forward to all the official translations coming out. Grisaia being one of them, Sekai isn't pulling a moenovel, so I am happy with it, I am not gonna be a hipster either and say that more interest in VN's is a bad thing. Because quite frankly its not. 

[Decay]

Food for thought: Go Go Nippon of all games sold more than 10,000 copies on Steam. Because it was weird and different from most other games on there. There is a lot of money to be had on that platform, and it's not necessarily a mistake to seek out using it.

 

Another random thought: I disagree with saying Sekai Project is taking too many liberties. They're taking exactly zero liberties, because they're translating and releasing an official release put out by Frontwing with no modification other than its platform (PC instead of Vita)

[douggle]

Exactly. 

[solidbatman]

Food for thought: Go Go Nippon of all games sold more than 10,000 copies on Steam. Because it was weird and different from most other games on there. There is a lot of money to be had on that platform, and it's not necessarily a mistake to seek out using it.

 

Another random thought: I disagree with saying Sekai Project is taking too many liberties. They're taking exactly zero liberties, because they're translating and releasing an official release put out by Frontwing with no modification other than its platform (PC instead of Vita)

People are completely ignoring this because they are so caught up in seeing the gigantic cow tits of Amane. Frontwing wasn't going to hack apart their own product and release it for console, and I have zero reason to believe that any changes actually hurt the story (not that it was great anyway). 

[Wahfuu]

People are completely ignoring this because they are so caught up in seeing the gigantic cow tits of Amane. Frontwing wasn't going to hack apart their own product and release it for console, and I have zero reason to believe that any changes actually hurt the story (not that it was great anyway). 

People want a reason to not buy the release when it comes out, it's pretty easy to just blindly yell censorship I guess.

[sarayne]

My one fear for this game on steam is that i think people will get bored/tired of it on the common route.Due to how long it is i know i almost gave up >.<. And i LOVE long vns its just that the common route while funny was kinda boring idk.

[Mephisto]

Well this blew up pretty fast.... 

 

My opinion on the matter:

 

Putting Grisaia on steam will get Grisaia more sales than if Grisaia was not on steam. (Assuming it isn't like 100 dollars to buy it)

 

Is Grisaia going to be one of the hottest selling games of 2014 on steam? No, because it's a niche, that won't happen.

 

Is Grisaia still going to sell more copies? yes. 

[LiquidShu]

I understand why you would put it on steam, however if there are no cards/achievements through steam I don't know why you would bother to put it on steam. Doesn't steam take some of the profits? Wouldn't it be better to just use a source that specializes in the subject or their own website to sell the game? Most people I know on steam don't even like these kinds of games and all of my friends who know of them don't think to kindly of them... Except for a select few.

[sarayne]

I understand why you would put it on steam, however if there are no cards/achievements through steam I don't know why you would bother to put it on steam. Doesn't steam take some of the profits? Wouldn't it be better to just use a source that specializes in the subject or their own website to sell the game? Most people I know on steam don't even like these kinds of games and all of my friends who know of them don't think to kindly of them... Except for a select few.

Im guessing its for the huge player base of steam and being on the front page for even a day is a huge plus to sales.

[Scars Unseen]

I understand why you would put it on steam, however if there are no cards/achievements through steam I don't know why you would bother to put it on steam. Doesn't steam take some of the profits? Wouldn't it be better to just use a source that specializes in the subject or their own website to sell the game? Most people I know on steam don't even like these kinds of games and all of my friends who know of them don't think to kindly of them... Except for a select few.

 

Steam does take a cut, but it still is the most utilized digital game distribution platform in the world.  Apparently game publishers see enough increase in sales to make Steam's cut of the profits an acceptable cost. 

[Decay]

I understand why you would put it on steam, however if there are no cards/achievements through steam I don't know why you would bother to put it on steam. Doesn't steam take some of the profits? Wouldn't it be better to just use a source that specializes in the subject or their own website to sell the game? Most people I know on steam don't even like these kinds of games and all of my friends who know of them don't think to kindly of them... Except for a select few.

Again, I'd like to repeat, now with a link, Go Go Nippon sold 10,000 freaking copies! On Steam! That shitty game. Granted, a lot of factors went into that which may not apply to Grisaia, such as its popularity amongst some mainstream youtube LPers as a weird title to mock, but still. There are niche audiences whom you don't expect to shop on Steam, and there are people there who just want something different from the norm.

 

As for the cut thing, yes, Steam takes a cut. Every retailer takes a cut (GOG, Desura, etc), because that's how they actually make money. Steam's cut is actually less than stores like Best Buy and Gamestop. Even if Sekai Project sells it on MangaGamer, MangaGamer will take a cut.  There are no "specialists" who won't. They would barely sell any copies if they limited it exclusively to their own site, so that's a terrible option.