Nosebleed Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 https://dischan.co/blog/2015/01/the-end-of-dysfunctional-systems/ I guess I understand the feeling, you can't really release something you're not proud of and I applaud Dischan for having the guts to say that, but wow this is a shock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flutterz Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Props to them for offering refunds, generally any money you give to a kickstarter goes poof regardless of whether anything comes of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Major Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Well, that's mildly disappointing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tundrick Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 aww, that's pretty disappointing. He is refunding out of his own personal savings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceris Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Extreme respect for refunding with personal savings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrael Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Eh, I hope for his sake that not too many people end up asking for a refund though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanleys Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Aww, and i just did a walkthrough fot it too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EldritchCherub Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Haven't had a chance to read their VN, but it's shame they're unable to continue with their project. I wonder what mistakes they made or hurdles they faced that made their journey end so abruptly. Gotta take notes if they release another post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Well shit =( I read ep 1 yesterday and was about to explain why it's really good and has a lot of potential Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zalor Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Dischan is the sole commercial OELVN producers that give me hope in quality commercial visual novels being produced outside of Japan. This is tragic news concerning western visual novels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decay Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 I guess I can sympathize with him somewhat but I think some people are taking that too far. The developers aren't the victims here, the backers who got nothing for their money are ("partial refunds"). I also don't buy the story surrounding episode 0. Something happened that they aren't talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeysrumble Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 That's a shame really, poor guy . It's a shitty feeling when you work so hard on something then it turns out bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flutterz Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 I guess I can sympathize with him somewhat but I think some people are taking that too far. The developers aren't the victims here, the backers who got nothing for their money are ("partial refunds"). I also don't buy the story surrounding episode 0. Something happened that they aren't talking about. While I agree that the backers who got nothing are victims, if you're pledging money on Kickstarter that you can't afford to have vanish into thin air and get nothing from it, you're doing it wrong. Kickstarter is closer to a charity than it is to an investment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklord Rooke Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 I also don't buy the story surrounding episode 0. Something happened that they aren't talking about. You mean "we finished the game to suddenly find out it's not as good as we thought. How could this be, this realisation seriously came out of nowhere. To preserve our reputation we'll instead keep it on our shelves forever and ever?" Yeah. Not fishy at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zalor Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 I guess I can sympathize with him somewhat but I think some people are taking that too far. The developers aren't the victims here, the backers who got nothing for their money are ("partial refunds"). I also don't buy the story surrounding episode 0. Something happened that they aren't talking about. Completely disagree. The developers put their own time, labor and money into the project. Backers are just generous consumers, but with out the developers the backer's money is completely useless. My favorite quote regarding this: "If one were left to his whims in the wilderness with only his labor to live by, he would be able to forge tools to create capital with, and thus an endless supply of wealth. If this man were a capitalist on the other hand, and tried to survive without working, he would be dead in a matter of days." Yes, the backers are victims to an extent, but they were no where near as invested as the developers were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmsful Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 rip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram_Ram_A Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 You mean "we finished the game to suddenly find out it's not as good as we thought. How could this be, this realisation seriously came out of nowhere. To preserve our reputation we'll instead keep it on our shelves forever and ever?" Yeah. Not fishy at all I agree. To realize your story was alright and then trash the entire thing is illogical. Somewhere in the production, something went wrong and they aren't telling us about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 They clearly state that they'll write later about those mistakes they say they made. So we can't really say "they're not telling us what happened" as long as we haven't seen this post. The fact that they deem their work "average" is probably the result of many internal issues, and that's only the outcome result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decay Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Completely disagree. The developers put their own time, labor and money into the project. Backers are just generous consumers, but with out the developers the backer's money is completely useless. My favorite quote regarding this: "If one were left to his whims in the wilderness with only his labor to live by, he would be able to forge tools to create capital with, and thus an endless supply of wealth. If this man were a capitalist on the other hand, and tried to survive without working, he would be dead in a matter of days." Yes, the backers are victims to an extent, but they were no where near as invested as the developers were. This is not a philosophy I can subscribe to. I guess I shouldn't derail things more than this, but suffice to say, if the failure was their doing then the developers won't get much sympathy from me. You mean "we finished the game to suddenly find out it's not as good as we thought. How could this be, this realisation seriously came out of nowhere. To preserve our reputation we'll instead keep it on our shelves forever and ever?" Yeah. Not fishy at all On November 29th, they claimed that Episode 0 would be ready by Dec 16th. No problems at all! On december 16th, the release day, oops, there's an issue and will be a slight delay! Just wait, it will be great! January 2nd: It sucks and will be canceled, sorry. It reeks. You know what's even more disappointing than an average game? Literally no game at all and seeing your money go down the drain. If Episode 0 actually is in a releasable state like they claim it is, I hope they do eventually release it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zalor Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Honestly the the moment Doomfest left I knew the whole thing was going to fall apart. Or maybe his leaving was an early sign that things weren't working well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyrt Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 ^ Couldn't say it better myself. Something went wrong. It's also possible that they ended up collapsing under the undertaking, maybe too much stress. Not properly allocating resources might not have helped either which is something that almost definitely happened. It sucks though and further evidence visual novels shouldn't use kickstarter for funding.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zakamutt Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 ^ Couldn't say it better myself. Something went wrong. It's also possible that they ended up collapsing under the undertaking, maybe too much stress. Not properly allocating resources might not have helped either which is something that almost definitely happened. It sucks though and further evidence visual novels shouldn't use kickstarter for funding.. Several VNs have worked out using KS though. It's more the inherent risks involved shining through... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamon Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Looks like they released a more in depths analysis of what went wrong on their kickstarter. As a fellow developer, I can only say that it sucks for them... At the same time, I can't help but feel that those kind of issues are inherent to projects involving money and kickstarters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Poltroon Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Looks like they released a more in depths analysis of what went wrong on their kickstarter. https://dischan.co/blog/2015/01/dysfunctional-systems-what-went-wrong/ As a fellow developer, I can only say that it sucks for them... At the same time, I can't help but feel that those kind of issues are inherent to projects involving money and kickstarters. Can't seem to find the page you are looking for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zodai Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Can't seem to find the page you are looking for. That link seems to be broken. https://dischan.co/blog/2015/01/dysfunctional-systems-what-went-wrong/ Here's the copy/paste from me. (Oh, he edited it. Well, this is awkward.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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