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Anyone tried reading Majikoi with MTL?

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So i became addicted to this fantastic series, but by the look of things we won't ever get the last few A games, and i guess that A+ one as well.  I can understand quite a few spoken things, but quuite a lot more i don't understand. So if it's easy enough to get the meaning of things with MTL then that's enough i guess. But anyone tried it for the rest of the games?

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38 minutes ago, VirginSmasher said:

What else did you expect? People to sympathize with your laziness and lack of respect for the original text by forcibly butchering it through Google Translate? Get real.

I'm actually at a loss of words for once. All these assumptions and crazy talk. Sympathy, laziness what the fuck? None of those applies to anything here. Next time your mind is filled with sewage like this, be a good boy and shut up and stay quiet instead.

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As for whether people tried to read Majkoi with MTL, it's depend on the time. If you ask this before 2015, then you may find some people who attempted to read that by using ATLAS or similar program. But if you ask that question after 2015 like you did this time, the the answer is absolutely no. Anyway as for Majkoi I would say that the sequel here is even more forced compared to Grisaia, and I already said several times that I always treat Meikyuu and Rakuen as fandiscs for Kajitsu. The reason is simple, because actually S here is planned to be Majikoi's fandiscs only that Minato upped it's status to become sequel for the promotion. So for straightforward answer here, you better just ignored those fandiscs (A series) if some of those still untranslated because the main game is conclusive enough (And S here is more than conclusive because it's just a fandisc).

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44 minutes ago, littleshogun said:

As for whether people tried to read Majkoi with MTL, it's depend on the time. If you ask this before 2015, then you may find some people who attempted to read that by using ATLAS or similar program. But if you ask that question after 2015 like you did this time, the the answer is absolutely no. Anyway as for Majkoi I would say that the sequel here is even more forced compared to Grisaia, and I already said several times that I always treat Meikyuu and Rakuen as fandiscs for Kajitsu. The reason is simple, because actually S here is planned to be Majikoi's fandiscs only that Minato upped it's status to become sequel for the promotion. So for straightforward answer here, you better just ignored those fandiscs (A series) if some of those still untranslated because the main game is conclusive enough (And S here is more than conclusive because it's just a fandisc).

Can't say I agree. The routes brought by the a series are really good, and not just a pornfest. And it's always enjoyable to read the majikoi stories as they can be so wildly different and very entertaining. Most vn's I've read lately has routes which cover the same events, and only truly branching out really late.

Well, I'll just give it a try and see if it's in any way readable.

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4 hours ago, VirginSmasher said:

What else did you expect? People to sympathize with your laziness and lack of respect for the original text by forcibly butchering it through Google Translate? Get real.

Did you have to go about basically saying "fuck you and what I assume is your laziness"? It's clear the dude just wants to read it in any form since translation progress has gotten to the point where like a pc would say "too long to estimate" on the download estimate. Laziness? for what, not learning an entire language? How is reading it with machine translation a lack of respect?(If anything, it's showing his respect to the series by suffering through MTL because he wants more.) It isn't like he is going to release a MTL patch or something. 

And no, I am not buddy buddy with him, though I do know that this little outburst of yours was pretty childish and just unwarranted in general. 

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3 minutes ago, thelink1123 said:

How is reading it with machine translation a lack of respect?

How is butchering something and calling the mangled carcass the original a lack of respect lmao it’s basically the same thing

seriously, idk why everyone’s so up in arms about this shit, my crayon replica of the mona lisa is pretty much the original, in fact, it’s respect that i would try to replicate it

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51 minutes ago, McDerpingheimer III said:

How is butchering something and calling the mangled carcass the original a lack of respect lmao it’s basically the same thing

seriously, idk why everyone’s so up in arms about this shit, my crayon replica of the mona lisa is pretty much the original, in fact, it’s respect that i would try to replicate it

He owns the VN so he's free to do as he pleases besides rip and sell illegal copies.  Just like how you can draw the Mona Lisa with crayons(Though I never mentioned a damn thing about the MTL and in this instance, your drawing being anywhere near the original :leecher:) if you want, just don't expect me to hang it up on my fridge because, quite frankly, I don't care either way. End of story.

Oh and don't twist what I said, I said he's showing respect by even considering suffering through a MTL, not that he is replicating the original. Like how did you even get that from what I said lmao.

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Reading MTL'd VNs is to respecting them as would reading a book with each page smeared in your own feces, blocking out half the words, be to reading a book.

You're free to do that, of course, but please don't do it in public. It smells.

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17 minutes ago, thelink1123 said:

Oh and don't twist what I said, I said he's showing respect by even considering suffering through a MTL, not that he is replicating the original. Like how did you even get that from what I said lmao.

Don’t ignore what I said, a mockery is a mockery if you consider it equivalent to the original, regardless of whether you make it or promote it

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18 minutes ago, McDerpingheimer III said:

Don’t ignore what I said, a mockery is a mockery if you consider it equivalent to the original, regardless of whether you make it or promote it

I didn't ignore anything buddy. Once again, twice in my last reply and going to be once in this one: I never said anything about it being remotely equal/equivalent to the original. That's just shoving words in my mouth.

I don't like MTL as much as the next VN reader but who are we to judge someone based on how they choose to consume media? Though if I recall the few that reacted and outburst with "MtL? dA fuK!?" are the same ones that tell the community to learn an entire language just to enjoy something. Let people enjoy things the way they want.(Even if it is pretty shitty)[An easy "No, this game will make absolutely no sense to you MTL'ed, I suggest you find something else" and not being insulting the OP would have sufficed and we wouldn't even be here but alas] 

Also, if you honestly think that OP even remotely believes that a MTL is akin to the original, then let's just stop this here.

 

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2 minutes ago, thelink1123 said:

I didn't ignore anything buddy. Once again, twice in my last reply and going to be once in this one: I never said anything about it being remotely equal/equivalent to the original.

But then, you contradict yourself, for how can you respect something if it’s not even the thing you say you’re respecting?

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Just now, McDerpingheimer III said:

But then, you contradict yourself, for how can you respect something if it’s not even the thing you say you’re respecting?

That's like saying if I were to install windows 95 on my computer that it isn't even windows anymore because it is inferior. It is still windows, but it's just severely outdated and not remotely useful, much like a MTL.

If I wanted to read a VN really badly, and the translation is seemingly never going to happen, and the only way to experience it in some fashion is MTL, well I'm going to bite the bullet. I'm showing dedication and respect to go out of my way to purchase the japanese version( DIRECTLY supporting the devs) and read it with terrible translation that will barely net me a 64th of the enjoyment but at least I experienced what I wanted.

Does that simplify it enough for you?

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2 minutes ago, thelink1123 said:

If... the only way to experience it in some fashion is MTL, well I’m going to bite the bullet

A fair point, except that MTL is not the only way to experience it in some fashion.

4 minutes ago, thelink1123 said:

That's like saying if I were to install windows 95 on my computer that it isn't even windows anymore because it is inferior.

No, that’d be saying that MTL’d majikoi isn’t even a VN. A better equivalent would be saying that Windows Millenium Edition isn’t Windows 7 because it is inferior.

5 minutes ago, thelink1123 said:

 I'm showing dedication and respect to go out of my way to purchase the japanese version( DIRECTLY supporting the devs)

Would be more dedication and respect to learn Japanese to experience it properly and then buy a Japanese version, no?

7 minutes ago, thelink1123 said:

but at least I experienced what I wamted.

But you didn’t, you experienced a boneless approximation of it.

8 minutes ago, thelink1123 said:

Does that simplify it enough for you?

Your thought processes are already far more than simple enough, it’s fine as is.

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Just now, McDerpingheimer III said:

Your thought processes are already far more than simple enough, it’s fine as is.

Alright buddy, you're the one who thought the OP was dumb enough to treat a MTL as the whole experience. Simple-mindedness can be easily thrown back onto the one spewing that bullshit.

Just now, McDerpingheimer III said:

Would be more dedication and respect to learn Japanese to experience it properly and then buy a Japanese version, no?

You're one of those people, eh? Not everybody has the schedule to learn Japanese just to read something that is supposed to be entertainment, not hard work. 

I should probably rest my case here since there's no point since you've boiled down into insulting me :michiru:

Thankful that most of the threads that I post in don't usually feature people like you who spew "LEarN JEPenes PlEB" when anything related to translations happening or not happening is the topic. 

Seriously, don't piss on someone else's parade just because someone clearly did that to you already. :meguface:

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7 minutes ago, thelink1123 said:

 you've boiled down into insulting me

Funny that you should say that when you were the first one to insult, and you conveniently ignore how I’ve countered most of your points.

But for good measure, I’ll go through another one.

38 minutes ago, thelink1123 said:

ILet people enjoy things the way they want.(Even if it is pretty shitty)[An easy "No, this game will make absolutely no sense to you MTL'ed, I suggest you find something else" and not being insulting the OP would have sufficed and we wouldn't even be here but alas] 

Well, first of all, he asked the community how it would go. Second of all, the topic of MTL has been discussed heavily for a long time. In combination, he should have expected exactly this reaction. Had he not said anything, we would’ve let him be, but since he asked for input from the community, he received a response befitting his question.

 

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3 minutes ago, McDerpingheimer III said:

Funny that you should say that when you were the first one to insult, and you conveniently ignore how I’ve countered most of your points.

Asking if the way I put it was simple enough to understand in the terms of the topic we were discussing is not insulting you, but alright. 

 

You also conveniently ignored large parts of my replies so we're even I guess?

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17 minutes ago, thelink1123 said:

You also conveniently ignored large parts of my replies so we're even I guess?

Well, if you insist.

2 hours ago, thelink1123 said:

Did you have to go about basically saying "fuck you and what I assume is your laziness"? It's clear the dude just wants to read it in any form since translation progress has gotten to the point where like a pc would say "too long to estimate" on the download estimate.

A foolish position to hold since, as has been stated, MTL means he is not reading the VN in any form at all.

2 hours ago, thelink1123 said:

Laziness? for what, not learning an entire language?

Well, if you ever shed your sloth for long enough to learn anything about learning Japanese, you would find that you do not in fact have to learn an entire language to read a VN in Japanese, disregarding the part where learning whole new languages is cool and fun and makes you smarter and is generally just a good thing.

The following point on respect for the work has been addressed.

2 hours ago, thelink1123 said:

Did you have to go about basically saying "fuck you and what I assume is your laziness"? ...I do know that this little outburst of yours was pretty childish and just unwarranted in general. 

More childish to try to misrepresent someone’s valid and asked-for criticisms as childish outbursts.

 

1 hour ago, thelink1123 said:

He owns the VN so he's free to do as he pleases besides rip and sell illegal copies.  Just like how you can draw the Mona Lisa with crayons(Though I never mentioned a damn thing about the MTL and in this instance, your drawing being anywhere near the original :leecher:) if you want, just don't expect me to hang it up on my fridge because, quite frankly, I don't care either way. End of story.

Valid, but legal matters were never of concern here. A tangent stemming from misinterpretation.

The misinterpretation and following lines were addressed.

1 hour ago, thelink1123 said:

I didn't ignore anything buddy. Once again, twice in my last reply and going to be once in this one: I never said anything about it being remotely equal/equivalent to the original. That's just shoving words in my mouth.

I don't like MTL as much as the next VN reader but who are we to judge someone based on how they choose to consume media? Though if I recall the few that reacted and outburst with "MtL? dA fuK!?" are the same ones that tell the community to learn an entire language just to enjoy something. Let people enjoy things the way they want.(Even if it is pretty shitty)[An easy "No, this game will make absolutely no sense to you MTL'ed, I suggest you find something else" and not being insulting the OP would have sufficed and we wouldn't even be here but alas] 

Also, if you honestly think that OP even remotely believes that a MTL is akin to the original, then let's just stop this here.

The first two paragraphs have been addressed.

As for the last paragraph, it is in fact an existent opinion, and not one I would put past the OP.

The entirety of the next reply has been addressed.

31 minutes ago, thelink1123 said:

Alright buddy, you're the one who thought the OP was dumb enough to treat a MTL as the whole experience. Simple-mindedness can be easily thrown back onto the one spewing that bullshit.

Can’t believe it’s simple-minded to think people who defend MTL are simple-minded, and to believe they exist when they post on this forum

31 minutes ago, thelink1123 said:

You're one of those people, eh? Not everybody has the schedule to learn Japanese just to read something that is supposed to be entertainment, not hard work. 

Learning Japanese can be entertainment if you make it so (and this doesn’t mean “just enjoy it lmao”)

The following paragraph has been addressed.

31 minutes ago, thelink1123 said:

Thankful that most of the threads that I post in don't usually feature people like you who spew "LEarN JEPenes PlEB" when anything related to translations happening or not happening is the topic. 

If you insist, I’ll make sure to join threads you post in from now on.

32 minutes ago, thelink1123 said:

Seriously, don't piss on someone else's parade just because someone clearly did that to you already. :meguface:

Don’t know why someone has to criticize me for me to criticize other people, but ok kid

20 minutes ago, thelink1123 said:

Asking if the way I put it was simple enough to understand in the terms of the topic we were discussing is not insulting you, but alright. 

Considering there was no simplification and we were never in terms of a different topic, I’m pressing X right now, but sure

And finally:

21 minutes ago, thelink1123 said:

You also conveniently ignored large parts of my replies so we're even I guess?

Now, nothing has been ignored.

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Guys, don't take this idiots serious. You know what don't ever take a translator serious or someone who knows to claim Japanese. I've been friends with a lot of people who can speak Japanese and even make a living of it, and yet they claim MTL is bad, blahblah. but it's all BS. Most people think I know a bit of Japanese and let me tell you, this will be my first time I ever confess this. I actually don't at all. I use MTL for everything and speak with a lot of those so called friends about VNs I've read and they respect my opinion about it and I can talk about most details and they haven't showed any doubt that I could actually read it. What an absolute morons. I even tl doujins and get praised for it. LUL can you imagine it. It only reads so well because most of my projects has an editor.

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51 minutes ago, McDerpingheimer III said:

Too long to quote lol

I love how once you decided to try and one up me by going and using proper, eloquent, and sophisticated wording in your reply then in the end boil down to "blah, blah, kid" lol.

I never defended MTL itself but merely the OP for deciding to use it because he wants to finish a series he loves, i.e. "I don't like MTL as much as the next VN reader but who are we to judge someone based on how they choose to consume media", any further deduction of me defending MTL is downright idiotic and hilarious when nothing in the sentence I just quoted ever pointed to me defending MTL. 

51 minutes ago, McDerpingheimer III said:

A foolish position to hold since, as has been stated, MTL means he is not reading the VN in any form at all.

That's an opinion, considering he said he can just about understand the spoken japanese but not the written portion, i.e. thoughts and feelings. An opinion is not fact

51 minutes ago, McDerpingheimer III said:

More childish to try to misrepresent someone’s valid and asked-for criticisms as childish outbursts.

There's a huge difference between constructive criticism like what I mentioned before. i.e. "[An easy "No, this game will make absolutely no sense to you MTL'ed, I suggest you find something else" and not being insulting the OP would have sufficed and we wouldn't even be here but alas]", and projected criticism, i.e. "What else did you expect? People to sympathize with your laziness and lack of respect for the original text by forcibly butchering it through Google Translate? Get real.". One is having decency in reacting to said question/concern, the other lacks that and is just a negative emotion-filled outburst. 

51 minutes ago, McDerpingheimer III said:

As for the last paragraph, it is in fact an existent opinion, and not one I would put past the OP.

That's basically calling him a idiot in all but name. Doesn't really make you look too good.

51 minutes ago, McDerpingheimer III said:

Can’t believe it’s simple-minded to think people who defend MTL are simple-minded, and to believe they exist when they post on this forum

Once again, MTL is shitty, we all know this, and I don't defend it at all. As well as nothing I ever said was pointing to me coming in the defense of MTL, but instead, of OP because that response was outright unnecessary. 

 

 

51 minutes ago, McDerpingheimer III said:

Valid, but legal matters were never of concern here. A tangent stemming from misinterpretation.

Never said that legal matters were of importance here besides a one-off mention. I used that as context for OP being able to read it the way he so chooses to do so. 

 

51 minutes ago, McDerpingheimer III said:

If you insist, I’ll make sure to join threads you post in from now on.

First, fairly certain that doing that will be in violation of site rules as harassment. Second, I'm not active enough to be following in the first place.

51 minutes ago, McDerpingheimer III said:

Well, if you ever shed your sloth for long enough to learn anything about learning Japanese, you would find that you do not in fact have to learn an entire language to read a VN in Japanese, disregarding the part where learning whole new languages is cool and fun and makes you smarter and is generally just a good thing.

I know you don't need the entire language to read a VN but learning it just to enjoy something is quite the undertaking of effort for personal enjoyment. Funny you try to act innocent and then insult me by calling me lazy because I don't have the time to learn because of university. Pure dumbness. Plain and simple. Do you think I sit around and do nothing during the day? As for learning new languages, I'm actually learning Spanish currently, albeit slowly as I have little time outside of changing periods between classes during the week (~20 or so minutes). Why am I not learning Japanese instead you might ask? That's because Spanish is much more commonly used and is more practical for jobs.

51 minutes ago, McDerpingheimer III said:

Don’t know why someone has to criticize me for me to criticize other people, but ok kid

You, uh, replied to me first, sparking this hours-long argumentative debate. You criticized me for questioning how MTL= lack of respect for the work and in doing so, was entirely sarcastic and borderline insinuative of insulting myself. "but ok kid"

51 minutes ago, McDerpingheimer III said:

Considering there was no simplification and we were never in terms of a different topic, I’m pressing X right now, but sure

The point I was trying to convey was not getting across so I drew up a scenario to make my point simpler to understand in the context of the topic at hand. Also, it's very hard to convey emotion through text on a screen besides capitalizing them and or emojis. That's the whole reason writing/research classes teach you how to be more expressive in wording ideas and points so that they are easily understandable by just about anyone reading said idea or point. It was never meant to insult you but you felt it did so here we are.

1 hour ago, McDerpingheimer III said:

Funny that you should say that when you were the first one to insult, and you conveniently ignore how I’ve countered most of your points.

"Now, nothing has been ignored." [From the last reply you posted(The others contain similar points as it is), spent way too long on this and I feel this closes out any debate considering we both paragraph vomited this thread.]

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