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22 hours ago, Seraphim88 said:

Isn't Coda an important part of the story? onorub's post earlier on this page made it seem so. I don't want to start reading something now and then have to wait for my Japanese to improve until I can experience the conclusion of the story.

I guess that this is somewhat important for Setsuna route (and kazusa isn't in the closing chapter) but other heroines are completely apart from it. And I still enjoyed Setsuna route a lot without the need to read coda. (At least I'm not that impatient for the translation to be released)

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So, I finally finished my second play through of Symphonic Rain and man, what a emotional ride! It's nice from time to time to reread something to see if it holds up. Symphonic Rain has really reaffirmed why it's in my top ten if not top five. I'm undoubtedly going to listen to that ost some many more times.

 

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This my first time posting in this thread but I just want a place where comment my thoughts... Just finished Muv Luv; Extra wasn't that bored like I read before in some places, it was so entertaining, I enjoyed the comedy and the slice of life, I really liked the relationship between the MC and Sumika, Meiya has the stereotype of ojou-sama without common sense and somewhat disliked her for that but I started to get more respect for her after reading the routes of the other heroines. I finished all routes, all what I'll say that are bored lol I skipped some text just to finish it. About Unlimited, I was surprised to learn that Muv Luv is an... isekai? what? I never read the sinopsis, just all blind, I know that Muv Luv is about mechas and aliens, I assumed that something happen in Extra to derive a war against aliens but I never thought it was an isekai, was hard to swallowing that, I expected more than that, a little disappointed but I let it go and kept reading, until I liked Unlimited's story. I just finished Meiya's ending and Yuuko-sensei ending. :ren: No motivation to finish other endings because people said it's all similar, I don't have motivation to spent more time on it and the H-scenes are meh.

My motivation to read Muv Luv was ML Alternative, I've read very positives commentaries, is in the top VNs on VNDB and everyone says it's one of the best visual novels, I read Muv Luv with that in mind, otherwise I could never have finished or spent much time to Muv Luv Extra, I don't spent so much time reading a VN, unless it's good.

 All right, then, Muv Luv Extra and Unlimited was just the tip of the iceberg, probably I'll spent more time reading Alternative because the beginning is very interesting, and the only spoilers I've read are that very horrible things happen, don't know details but I'll find it myself. 

Sorry for the long post and sorry for my English grammar. lol 

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About White Album 2 (WA2) translation, I would say that it's fine enough to me. Then again I'm not translation expert, so perhaps you better try it first and you can decided to continuing if you don't have the problem with the translation seeing that the translation is widely said as bad (So called). It's too bad that we still didn't have Coda finished the translation, and as for Coda here it's more like the continuation of Introduction Chapter with the triangle love only that the casts is adult (Duh).

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19 minutes ago, littleshogun said:

About White Album 2 (WA2) translation, I would say that it's fine enough to me. Then again I'm not translation expert, so perhaps you better try it first and you can decided to continuing if you don't have the problem with the translation seeing that the translation is widely said as bad (So called). It's too bad that we still didn't have Coda finished the translation, and as for Coda here it's more like the continuation of Introduction Chapter with the triangle love only that the casts is adult (Duh).

Disagree there, even if the translation itself is understandable enough, the text formatting would be unnacceptable by 2009 fantranslation standards. The last line or the last word of the sentence showing up at a new text box (could even happen with the period at the end of the sentence!), sometimes the text would fly off the text box... thing was a mess.

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I could probably handle bad formatting and some translation errors (as long as they're not completely off the mark and change the meaning of the sentences), but not being able to read Coda afterwards is a dealbreaker for me now that I know that it's a major part of the story. I would have been fine with skipping it if it was just a bunch of afterstories full of h-scenes, like in a lot of other VNs.

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7 hours ago, Seraphim88 said:

Is Chika's route in Majikoi worth reading? I think she's a pretty horrible person, so I'm considering skipping it since I don't really feel like seeing Yamato hooking up with her. The same goes for Kosugi, who I hear has a route in Majikoi S.

Well, if you consider Chika to be a horrible person, then no, it's not worth it. Same with Kosugi. While both are very short, there isn't much of a point if you don't like the character.

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7 minutes ago, wei123 said:

Which chapter/part are you at now?

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Well, I just reading where Sumika forgotten the MC and she just died because a basketball hoops fallen. Although Marimo's dead was so fucking shocking.
EDIT: Uh, she didn't died, uh? I just come here after of that scene.

 

1 hour ago, Ranzo said:

You haven't seen nothin' yet boyo

I don't know how it could be worse. :(

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54 minutes ago, Black99 said:
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Well, I just reading where Sumika forgotten the MC and she just died because a basketball hoops fallen. Although Marimo's dead was so fucking shocking.
EDIT: Uh, she didn't died, uh? I just come here after of that scene.

 

Oh that part. Yeah you haven't seen the worst of it LOL

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Yeah Sumika didn't die. Iirc, she was just hospitalised and it was never mentioned that she had succumbed to her injuries.

 

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1 hour ago, wei123 said:

Oh that part. Yeah you haven't seen the worst of it LOL

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Yeah Sumika didn't die. Iirc, she was just hospitalised and it was never mentioned that she had succumbed to her injuries.

 

Ugh, this VN is so fucked up. The girl of my avatar is from a fucked up game but hey, but there are a difference a bondage game from one that has plot and you're attached to the characters, it's make me so sad bro.  Well, I read 8 hours straight maybe I'll do something else to clear my mind haha.

 

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So, she died, eh...

 

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11 hours ago, Jun Inoue said:

Well, if you consider Chika to be a horrible person, then no, it's not worth it. Same with Kosugi. While both are very short, there isn't much of a point if you don't like the character.

I didn't dislike them initially, but they did some stuff that I find pretty despicable.

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In Chika's case, it was making fun of Yamato behind his back and then how she was a total asshole towards Gakuto in his route. She didn't feel bad about it whatsoever and most likely would never have apologized if it wasn't for the fact that Gakuto then saved her from getting raped by that group of thugs. As for Kosugi, I think she's a douche for spreading those nasty rumors about Miyako and Iyo.

I'm not sure if I'll actually be able to skip the routes, since I'm a completionist to the point of it being borderline OCD. In any case, even if I do read those routes, I sincerely doubt they can redeem my opinion of those characters.

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1 hour ago, Seraphim88 said:

I didn't dislike them initially, but they did some stuff that I find pretty despicable.

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In Chika's case, it was making fun of Yamato behind his back and then how she was a total asshole towards Gakuto in his route. She didn't feel bad about it whatsoever and most likely would never have apologized if it wasn't for the fact that Gakuto then saved her from getting raped by that group of thugs. As for Kosugi, I think she's a douche for spreading those nasty rumors about Miyako and Iyo.

I'm not sure if I'll actually be able to skip the routes, since I'm a completionist to the point of it being borderline OCD. In any case, even if I do read those routes, I sincerely doubt they can redeem my opinion of those characters.

Yeah, I don't think the game usually tries to redeem said characters. They're just people, sometimes they're arseholes to those they know less well, but if you get to know them better they'll show a different side. It's not that it offers a justification for their meaner actions, it's just two sides of the characters. And maybe you find them unbearable as a result of one of their facets.

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2 hours ago, Mr Poltroon said:

Yeah, I don't think the game usually tries to redeem said characters. They're just people, sometimes they're arseholes to those they know less well, but if you get to know them better they'll show a different side. It's not that it offers a justification for their meaner actions, it's just two sides of the characters. And maybe you find them unbearable as a result of one of their facets.

@Seraphim88

That's pretty much it. It's a bit of a stark contrast because many of the characters, especially the main ones, are kind of one-sidedly pure and good. Those two are just... people, really. Both have their reasons and way of seeing the world and doing things and, perhaps more importantly, they don't have a window into the heart of other characters like we do. We know that Gakuto has a heart of gold, but for someone outside the group he might as well come off as a brainless, horny douche.

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I actually just went through her route after all, and it didn't improve my opinion of her.

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According to the Chika/Mayo backstory, she actually despises bullying, and yet she has no issue whatsoever treating Gakuto like that over something as petty as getting put down by a sound argument in the school debate. That's pretty hypocritical. Even if she thinks he's a moron, she honestly took it way too far.

Anyway, kudos to the developer. The fact that I feel this way is pretty much proof that they've made a good job of making characters that you connect with.

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At chapter 9 of MLA. Sometimes I need to take a break of this novel, because It cause me some anxiety, even more on missions because I don't know what can happen. 

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All original members of Valkyria squadron are out of combat. while the harem are ok... Is a bit funny, I mean, this novel just introduce new characters and then die. 

I had mixed feelings with Kagami's rape scene, because I'm into this kind of content while I feel bad for her. And, oh, this scene was a surprise for me, I thought they were going to dissect her alive or something like that, I mean, a ryona scene, not that they were going to rape her, given the nature of BETA.

EDIT: I just finished the VN, I feel so fucking empty, god. 

The fucking PTSD. Reading the last chapter was so weird, weeeeiiiirrd.

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Chizuru and Kei sacrifice were so fucking epic, the CG of Kei's mecha grabbing the BETA's head, uuuuhh E-P-I-C. 

I felt sad about Mikoto and Miki's death, also, the fucking Miki corpse, holy shit. 

The scene when Takeru was talking with the BETA was so interesting. And the sacrifice of Meiya, god, I just prayed for her, the only girl that I wanted alive. 

 

And so... took me 110 hours to finish the trilogy, I don't know what to do now, maybe I'll watch the Muv Luv Alternative Total Eclipse anime (why not?) and read Photonflowers. I really want to read Schwazarkarken, I liked the anime but no news about the translation. :(

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Anyone else playing AI: The Somnium Files? I enjoy it quite a lot so far, but they really went overboard with the sex jokes. Depending on the situation, I can usually find stuff like that funny, but when I get bombarded with sex joke after sex joke for hours on end, I eventually get fed up with it. It's like they put a bunch of horny teenage boys in charge of the comedy aspect of the game.
One example is when

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the protagonist sees a completely normal stereo setup with two speakers, immidiately compares it to male genitalia and then proceeds to ask his assistant if she likes them big or small.

Here's the speaker system in question:

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(not much of a spoiler, but I marked it as such anyways)

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Whew, finished Mashiro Iro Symphony. It was definitely the best moege I've played so far :o(I read it two times in a row, first PC, then PSP version, and had great fun both times :D)

I liked almost everything about it - likeable characters, nice comedy parts, just right amount of drama for things to not become stale, pretty good stories in routes, beautiful art and music...

BTW I feel that Princess Evangile was quite inspired by this title.

The highlight is without a doubt Airi's route, and it was the first one I've read.
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Airi is tsundere, but a lovely one :) And her route features great character development. It was quite heartwarming to watch how she changes and opens up to others. I also loved how the relationship between her and Shingo progresses naturally, without sudden jumps (this applies to most of other routes as well). The H content was also handled exceptionally well I'd say. (The only part that felt shoehorned-in was obbligatory classroom scene :P Same in Sakuno's route). The scenes were focused mainly on the bond between characters, and generally had that "sex as expression of love" approach. They weren't rushed, there was proper relationship build-up before. The characters mostly retain their personalities and don't turn instantly into pornstars (at least, as far as eroge constraints allow...).

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There's also interesting twist, that - in all routes - first time is a failure for various reasons.

Next one, Sakuno's route, would be a treat for all imouto-lovers ;)
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She's Shingo's step-sister though, so the route isn't too incestuous.

I have to say, she's my favourite character of this VN, together with Airi. Her comments are pure gold :D Also, I love her friendship with Airi, really heartwarming. The story in this route itself is nothing special, maybe a bit weird due to setting, but the characters make up for it - finally I liked it very much.

The third one that I've played was Angie's route.
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This one is for maid fans :) I think it was my least favourite route (but it's still good), but had very nice ending. Also, this route shows us again the importance of Multi's route in first To Heart - it turns out that she, being maid-robot, inspired not only other "robot-girls" routes, but also some of the maid ones. Just compare those two scenes below :D

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Fourth, and last, route in PC version is Miu's.
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Miu is lovely(loli) senpai, almost always seen with mysterious cat-like pet, Pannya. Main theme of Miu's route is her unofficial school club ("Nuko club") that consist of her and Sana and together they take care of wounded animals. The route features many emotional moments, and would be great, but there was one thing hindering it. It is the only route where I felt H-scenes were overwhelming, rushed, out-of-character and disrupting the flow of the story. It was really disappointing, since all other routes seemed to handle this stuff very well (above the eroge average). But, OTOH, there were three different writers - one for Airi and Ange, one for Sakuno, and one for Miu - so maybe the other two were just better at this.

However, the story doesn't end here. Sana, who in other routes serves mostly as a comic (or hitting) relief, is very prominent character in Miu's route.
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Although she declares that she loves only Miu, hates boys, and seems to be just violent-tsundere kind, she falls in - obviously unrequited - love with Shingo. The scene when heartbroken Sana sits on a swinger in a rain, and gets comforted by Airi was really heart-rending.
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So (see spoiler above), after Miu's route I felt really sorry for Sana, despite her many flaws, and felt like she deserved a route too. So I got PSP version, where there is one :)
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Sana's route branches off from the Miu's. It was very good - it shows different, and sometimes surprising, sides of Sana, and gives pretty satisfying conclusion to her story.

Then I played Yutsuki's route - who is completely new character, present only in PSP version.
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So, common route has been expanded a bit, to acommodate for the new character. It went quite smoothly. Yutsuki's initial appearrance is kind of playful subversion of "Onee-sama" trope. She's adored by many girls in school, but, as Sakuno put it in one of her brilliant comments, she's "Onee-nii-sama" :D She's more "cool" and "handsome" than "cute", and always plays male roles in drama-club. Her route is most light-hearted one in whole VN, and revolves around her struggle to be more feminine. Pretty good I'd say - I enjoyed it.

Afterwards I started to reread other routes, to compare them with PC version. I've reread Airi, Sakuno and Miu. Since console version has "C" rating (+15), obviously the routes were toned down and rewritten a bit, to exclude H-content. In exchange, we got some additional "normal" scenes. Also, in kissing scenes most of the sound effects were replaced with narration.

All in all, console versions of PC routes are all very good - the writers took care to rewrite them properly, not just cut things here and there. I'd say, that for Airi's route I slightly prefer +18 version, and for Sakuno's route it's a tie. However, Miu's route in console version is waaaay superior - it flows better, and additional scenes are very good. Actually I feel that some of them should be in original version as well, since they give some important background info.

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Like the scene in back garden, when Ranka (headmistress, Airi's mother) talks about her friendship with Yuiko (Miu's mother)

Also, we got one quite hot new CG, especially for +15 title ;), that was used as replacement for H-scenes (since in Miu's route some of the sex scenes have been replaced by general making out in Miu's bed)

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New New Year party scene was hilarious :D

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With Miu and her mom "fighting" for Shingo
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This VN, despite being romance-focused, does also the "group of friends" thing surprisingly well. Other heroines (and Shingo's buddy Hayata) don't disappear once you enter the route, but become great supporting cast. The only exception is Yutsuki in PSP version, who disappears after common route, since probably it would be too much hassle to rewrite all routes to acommodate her. But the other side still stands - whole cast is important in her route as well. I loved this aspect.

To sum it up - I totally understand those who say, that it's kamige among moege. It certainly worked for me. Also, this VN was my initial reason to start learning Japanese, so being able to read it feels absolutely great and fulfilling.

Considering that I feel like it surpasses both Princess Evangile and Koichoco, who got 8.5 from me, I have no other choice, but to give it 9/10 score.

Now I think I'll take a breather by reading something translated ;) Probably Farther than a blue sky.

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