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Non TL'd is OK, thanks! That looks amazing, will give it a try 
 
Yeah, I'm looking more for what you describe in karakara, some sort of love triangle/quadrangle/Xangle lol, will look at it.
 
Absolutelly agree, that's why I need help  maybe there is some hidden gem!

If you want to buy old eroge from the 90s, Japanese Amazon is a good place to start. People usually sell used versions on there. Getting digital versions of old games can prove difficult, as many companies either never got around to making them, or went under before they could. (Like Zone.) 
You will need a virtual machine of an old OS, or a computer running an old OS in order to play them, usually. A handful will be able to run on W10 with the right compatibility settings, but it’s rare. 

The number of lines is no problem. The time it will take to do said lines is what might disappoint people. I estimate it taking at least 4 months. I plan on translating after work a few times a week. This is merely a hobby projet. I have never actually played Noratoto, but got interested in helping out after seeing the discussions about the cut content here on Fuwanovel. I will probably buy the original game so I can have it running in the background while I translate. Translating Japanese without context can be a nightmare.
That will not be necessary. Using a machine translation as a base would just hinder my progress, if anything. I am sure there are some people who would be satisfied with machine translated h-scenes though. Maybe you could make a machine translation patch for people who do not want to wait for my translation. It will take a while before I finish.
Thank you very much for the spreadsheet.

Oh boy, another discussion I've had with Poltroon in the past. Are you sure you're not his alt?
The issue with stances like this is- yes, you're right, it might not feel like you're missing anything at all. It's probably cut in a way that makes sure of that! But, that doesn't mean you aren't actually missing stuff. In fact, with the amount of H in this game you probably are.
I haven't read the console version, so I don't know to what extent it cuts out H content, but the H is certainly "important" in this game, (as important as H can get; there's definitely "plot" related talks during the scenes, and many of them happen directly following emotional scenes, where dialogue will naturally continue in the H scene, instead of it being a complete scene transition into an isolated H-scene.)
Often the feel you have when reading the cut game will be quite misleading. You don't know that you're missing out on stuff, because... well, it's not there so how would you know!
I'm all for all-ages versions being available if someone prefers those, but the original not being available at all is in my opinion a problem for this very reason. People might start saying it's just as complete as the original, because it doesn't feel like anything is cut, when in reality, a good chunk of content might be missing. But with no 18+ version available in English, people aren't able to check just how much content is missing.
The all-ages versions of Grisaia is a good example of this issue. I actually feel like people buying those are being ripped off. The actual ending in Rakuen is just staright up missing in the all-ages version. You actually don't see the way the story ends for the characters if you buy that. Yet, people don't complain about anything missing, because... well, they don't know it's missing!
See the problem?

Oh boy, another discussion I've had with Poltroon in the past. Are you sure you're not his alt?
The issue with stances like this is- yes, you're right, it might not feel like you're missing anything at all. It's probably cut in a way that makes sure of that! But, that doesn't mean you aren't actually missing stuff. In fact, with the amount of H in this game you probably are.
I haven't read the console version, so I don't know to what extent it cuts out H content, but the H is certainly "important" in this game, (as important as H can get; there's definitely "plot" related talks during the scenes, and many of them happen directly following emotional scenes, where dialogue will naturally continue in the H scene, instead of it being a complete scene transition into an isolated H-scene.)
Often the feel you have when reading the cut game will be quite misleading. You don't know that you're missing out on stuff, because... well, it's not there so how would you know!
I'm all for all-ages versions being available if someone prefers those, but the original not being available at all is in my opinion a problem for this very reason. People might start saying it's just as complete as the original, because it doesn't feel like anything is cut, when in reality, a good chunk of content might be missing. But with no 18+ version available in English, people aren't able to check just how much content is missing.
The all-ages versions of Grisaia is a good example of this issue. I actually feel like people buying those are being ripped off. The actual ending in Rakuen is just staright up missing in the all-ages version. You actually don't see the way the story ends for the characters if you buy that. Yet, people don't complain about anything missing, because... well, they don't know it's missing!
See the problem?

Oh boy, another discussion I've had with Poltroon in the past. Are you sure you're not his alt?
The issue with stances like this is- yes, you're right, it might not feel like you're missing anything at all. It's probably cut in a way that makes sure of that! But, that doesn't mean you aren't actually missing stuff. In fact, with the amount of H in this game you probably are.
I haven't read the console version, so I don't know to what extent it cuts out H content, but the H is certainly "important" in this game, (as important as H can get; there's definitely "plot" related talks during the scenes, and many of them happen directly following emotional scenes, where dialogue will naturally continue in the H scene, instead of it being a complete scene transition into an isolated H-scene.)
Often the feel you have when reading the cut game will be quite misleading. You don't know that you're missing out on stuff, because... well, it's not there so how would you know!
I'm all for all-ages versions being available if someone prefers those, but the original not being available at all is in my opinion a problem for this very reason. People might start saying it's just as complete as the original, because it doesn't feel like anything is cut, when in reality, a good chunk of content might be missing. But with no 18+ version available in English, people aren't able to check just how much content is missing.
The all-ages versions of Grisaia is a good example of this issue. I actually feel like people buying those are being ripped off. The actual ending in Rakuen is just staright up missing in the all-ages version. You actually don't see the way the story ends for the characters if you buy that. Yet, people don't complain about anything missing, because... well, they don't know it's missing!
See the problem?

Yeah, I've played the orignal. It's going to take quite some work to make a patch for it. Even if someone does do it, it won't be out for quite a while. (And tbh, it's unlikely someone is going to bother.) Still, one can hope. Best case would be that the devs sees the backlash about the lack of H and makes one themselves. Though, they seem fairly steadfast on not doing so, sadly.

Before someone asks why I care if I've read it already: While I've already read the game in Japanese, I hate to see situations like these. I want others to be able to experience the full game like I did.
I like to support official releases of my favorite games, so I'd love to buy an English copy of this. But, I don't usually purchase censored versions of games, so I'm a bit torn on this one. On one hand, I'd like to support the release, but on the other, I'm hesitant as it would feel like condoning censorship.
@Mr Poltroon and I had a discussion about this very issue some time ago. Not buying the game at all just means the company might lose interest in the western market from poor sales, but supporting a censored release might lead to them doing it again. I want neither.
I generally try to go with option number three and be vocal about the issue and hope a full version gets released one day that I can support. Hence, my comments on the matter. Not sure exactly to what extent Fruitbat's representative on here deals with the devs if at all, but one can hope our talks abut the issue at least makes it to the ears of the devs through them.

Oh boy, another discussion I've had with Poltroon in the past. Are you sure you're not his alt?
The issue with stances like this is- yes, you're right, it might not feel like you're missing anything at all. It's probably cut in a way that makes sure of that! But, that doesn't mean you aren't actually missing stuff. In fact, with the amount of H in this game you probably are.
I haven't read the console version, so I don't know to what extent it cuts out H content, but the H is certainly "important" in this game, (as important as H can get; there's definitely "plot" related talks during the scenes, and many of them happen directly following emotional scenes, where dialogue will naturally continue in the H scene, instead of it being a complete scene transition into an isolated H-scene.)
Often the feel you have when reading the cut game will be quite misleading. You don't know that you're missing out on stuff, because... well, it's not there so how would you know!
I'm all for all-ages versions being available if someone prefers those, but the original not being available at all is in my opinion a problem for this very reason. People might start saying it's just as complete as the original, because it doesn't feel like anything is cut, when in reality, a good chunk of content might be missing. But with no 18+ version available in English, people aren't able to check just how much content is missing.
The all-ages versions of Grisaia is a good example of this issue. I actually feel like people buying those are being ripped off. The actual ending in Rakuen is just staright up missing in the all-ages version. You actually don't see the way the story ends for the characters if you buy that. Yet, people don't complain about anything missing, because... well, they don't know it's missing!
See the problem?

Oh boy, another discussion I've had with Poltroon in the past. Are you sure you're not his alt?
The issue with stances like this is- yes, you're right, it might not feel like you're missing anything at all. It's probably cut in a way that makes sure of that! But, that doesn't mean you aren't actually missing stuff. In fact, with the amount of H in this game you probably are.
I haven't read the console version, so I don't know to what extent it cuts out H content, but the H is certainly "important" in this game, (as important as H can get; there's definitely "plot" related talks during the scenes, and many of them happen directly following emotional scenes, where dialogue will naturally continue in the H scene, instead of it being a complete scene transition into an isolated H-scene.)
Often the feel you have when reading the cut game will be quite misleading. You don't know that you're missing out on stuff, because... well, it's not there so how would you know!
I'm all for all-ages versions being available if someone prefers those, but the original not being available at all is in my opinion a problem for this very reason. People might start saying it's just as complete as the original, because it doesn't feel like anything is cut, when in reality, a good chunk of content might be missing. But with no 18+ version available in English, people aren't able to check just how much content is missing.
The all-ages versions of Grisaia is a good example of this issue. I actually feel like people buying those are being ripped off. The actual ending in Rakuen is just staright up missing in the all-ages version. You actually don't see the way the story ends for the characters if you buy that. Yet, people don't complain about anything missing, because... well, they don't know it's missing!
See the problem?

Yeah, I've played the orignal. It's going to take quite some work to make a patch for it. Even if someone does do it, it won't be out for quite a while. (And tbh, it's unlikely someone is going to bother.) Still, one can hope. Best case would be that the devs sees the backlash about the lack of H and makes one themselves. Though, they seem fairly steadfast on not doing so, sadly.

Before someone asks why I care if I've read it already: While I've already read the game in Japanese, I hate to see situations like these. I want others to be able to experience the full game like I did.
I like to support official releases of my favorite games, so I'd love to buy an English copy of this. But, I don't usually purchase censored versions of games, so I'm a bit torn on this one. On one hand, I'd like to support the release, but on the other, I'm hesitant as it would feel like condoning censorship.
@Mr Poltroon and I had a discussion about this very issue some time ago. Not buying the game at all just means the company might lose interest in the western market from poor sales, but supporting a censored release might lead to them doing it again. I want neither.
I generally try to go with option number three and be vocal about the issue and hope a full version gets released one day that I can support. Hence, my comments on the matter. Not sure exactly to what extent Fruitbat's representative on here deals with the devs if at all, but one can hope our talks abut the issue at least makes it to the ears of the devs through them.

Neat. Hopefully someone makes a patch for the H-scenes too. It's always a shame seeing good games censored in the west.

Neat. Hopefully someone makes a patch for the H-scenes too. It's always a shame seeing good games censored in the west.

Someone released a "CG Patch" that replace the censored CGs from the console version with the ones from the original japanese PC version.
Example:
Vanilla Steam Version:
Steam version w/ CG Patch:
 

This thread made me remember to take a new backup of my lists in case the site goes down

Most people are able to separate fiction and reality just fine. It's the "violent video games don't make people killers" debate all over again, just "anime edition." There's more studies than I can count done proving that dark themes in fiction does not make people do terrible acts. This is the same for the types of content you describe.
Of course, if it bothers you that much, I can understand why you want some distance from this and similar communities, as it certainly is a pretty common thing discussed around here. Maybe this medium just wasn't for you.
Best of luck with your future endeavors.

Most people are able to separate fiction and reality just fine. It's the "violent video games don't make people killers" debate all over again, just "anime edition." There's more studies than I can count done proving that dark themes in fiction does not make people do terrible acts. This is the same for the types of content you describe.
Of course, if it bothers you that much, I can understand why you want some distance from this and similar communities, as it certainly is a pretty common thing discussed around here. Maybe this medium just wasn't for you.
Best of luck with your future endeavors.

Let’s keep that from happening! Wouldn’t want to have to hide a goodbye thread from a user because of it being derailed into a hot mess. 
So far the discussion is mostly on topic, so it’s fine like this, but do try to keep long discussions about the overall topic of 2D vs 3D, lolis etc away from this thread. (This being a general warning to everyone, and not one specifically aimed at you, ofc.) 

Ugh, are we having yet another discussion about 2D vs 3D again or something...?
Is it really THAT difficult for people to keep their 2D mentality in check and not let that influence their thinking in real life? It's perfectly normal for a person to enjoy 2D loli stuff, and still want to beat the hell out of a real life pedophile.
Also, I mean, this is pretty much like "I find people killing each other gross and disgusting, so I will just boycott the whole movie community together".
It's perfectly normal for a person to have something they can't stomach. Doesn't mean they have to spread that hate to everything associated to it.
I can't handle NTR. That shit disgusts me. But I still enjoy everything else that is not NTR like normal.
It's not that people "normalized" this and that. People just learned to just, ignore things that they have no interest in and let the person be, that's all.

YOU GET RID OF THE SANTA HAT IN YOUR AVATAR TOO.

 

Most people are able to separate fiction and reality just fine. It's the "violent video games don't make people killers" debate all over again, just "anime edition." There's more studies than I can count done proving that dark themes in fiction does not make people do terrible acts. This is the same for the types of content you describe.
Of course, if it bothers you that much, I can understand why you want some distance from this and similar communities, as it certainly is a pretty common thing discussed around here. Maybe this medium just wasn't for you.
Best of luck with your future endeavors.

If you don't get rid of the Santa hat in your avatar before leaving, I swear I'll eat my shoes.
Here, I'll even give you (AGAIN) the proper version of it. Wow, isn't Fiddle a nice guy? If I were someone whose avatar still had a Santa hat in it, I'd want to get rid of said Santa hat, especially out of courtesy for the guy who gave me that Santa hat in the first place. A fine parting gift, if I do say so myself.

Hey guys, for the past couple of years, I've been using VNDB to keep track of what I've read but recently I've created a spreadsheet for everything I read, watch & play and now I'm wondering if anyone has done anything similar.
For Visual Novels I have two different sheets that I use (all contained in one master sheet), one contains games that I've read and the other that I plan to read.
 
The sheet for games that I've read contains the following cells:
Title | Routes Completed | Status | Rating | Date Started | Date Last Played | Time Invested | Notes
 
I use date last played instead of date finished just in case I don't finish the game.
 
And the sheet for ones that I plan to read contains these cells:
Title | Planned Release | Quick Search
 
The quick search cell contains an auto-generated link based on the first cell that searches my favourite torrent site for the title.
 
The sheet originally took me a while to set up but now that it finished it only takes me seconds to update it with new games as I play them.
So what about you guy/girls? do any of you a spreadsheet or something similar to keep track of what your reading?

I like dark elves.

Confession: I've just learned that there's is a large subreddit (and more broadly, a large community) of femcels, that is more or less female incels, but them and male incels hate each other with a burning passion (instead of, like, hooking up and cancelling each other's problems?). If this doesn't represent perfectly how screwed up modern society is, I'm not sure what does.  (+ crying inside)
EDIT: And funnily enough, I think the lady that introduced me to the fact of femcels being a thing is the same person that made this memorable Bing search I mentioned in my previous post. She went to /vnsuggest subreddit today looking for "yuri lolicon visual novel" and got downvoted to hell, but her nick, "femcelforever", sparked my curiosity.
BTW, that's probably on my top 5 list of saddest nicks anyone could use online. 

I'm losing my shit 
That's so stupid but makes so much sense at the same time (hint: the incel identity isn't just about being lonely and wanting a partner)