Decay Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Every time I see this, I immediately think "thats wrong!" while side referencing any other TL work like manga and novels before I quickly realize that it isn't because we can buy the games and get the patches for free, where you actually can't do anything about manga or novels. Basically the patch is the translated version and is liable to takedown claims at copyright holder's request. As a side note, I don't know of any other place that aggregates current translation progress so neatly, so I'm sticking around. Like I said to my friend: "Fuwa is 'dead'. They are basically bleaching out most of the non-registered users and replacing them" Unlicensed translations of manga, books, and even anime are illegal, too. That means all the fansubs out there are illegal to share and download. There's a difference between what is legal, and what is allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satsuki Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 I'm claiming bias on the survey towards skewing it to the people who are registered and/or follow the site closely. That's fine and all, because that's who they cared about. In all honesty, if they wanted true data from the people who use the site, they should have made it a more prominent feature on the front page. I didn't know about it at all until I heard about it after the fact, and any random drop by guest would probably never see it either. I doubt we would need the opinion from "random drop by guest" though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RinXD Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Honestly the whole purpose of this thread seems whiney to me. I look at it this way loosing the torrents was gonna happen one of two ways... Either by choice or by court order and we lose the whole site so honestly this way is for the better just now the people who are inconvienced are gonna have to do more work to get their VN's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklord Rooke Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 I'm claiming bias on the survey towards skewing it to the people who are registered and/or follow the site closely. That's fine and all, because that's who they cared about. In all honesty, if they wanted true data from the people who use the site, they should have made it a more prominent feature on the front page. There was a twitter survey, a FB survey, and a forums survey, if you didn't know about it then you weren't an active/semi-active/remotely-active part of the community. People who take torrents yet don't contribute to the community were excluded from the polls, but I'm not crying myself to sleep over that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklord Rooke Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 I like where you're going... continue. Well, hypothetically, if a third party invests money to help with a game's development, but instead an aspiring game dev directs that money to fund... oh let's just say a torrent distribution site, would this be a misappropriation of investment funds? Or would it be fraud? It's a little confusing to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monmon Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Well at least we know 1 guy will leave when the torrents gone. u know i will give u a website that may/may not help u stop ur whining. [no linking or mentioning torrent sites] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OriginalRen Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Just keep in mind that not all VNs are Grisaia, good luck buying something like Ever17... for less than $250. http://www.amazon.com/Infinity-series-EVER-17/dp/B000ELWF80 It costs $35.00 at Sofmap. Again, you just need people who are willing to help out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OriginalRen Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 It's ironic really, given the fact that people like myself are willing to help active users of Fuwanovel and anyone in the community who likes visual novels. I offer a service that allows you to buy the games yourself for a reasonable price, much better than what you would find on Amazon, J-List, and the like. Now I am not someone who wants to judge people who torrent stuff, because in all honestly I believe we've all done it in some form or another, but in regards to people complaining outside of Fuwanovel saying that this site will crash and burn because of removed torrents, I laugh. Call me a jackass, that's fine, but all I see are a bunch of people who are too lazy to save their own money and want free shit handed to them, to which I say: Get off your lazy asses and support visual novels if you love them so much, or find your torrents elsewhere like a grown adult. Fuwanovel is not your mom. If you can fund a $500,000 Grisaia Kickstarter, you can afford a visual novel from Japan. Jptje, Cyrillej1, Monmon and 9 others 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deep Blue Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Just because it's easy for you to buy a visual novel doesn't mean it's easy for everybody around the world and I'm not even talking about money here, because you know... different countries have different customs policies. So don't make statements as if they were the pure truth that applies to everyone. I support kickstarter/indiegogo projects when I can and I even buy visual novels if they are available online but getting physical/hard copies is not something that everybody can afford to do.. for many many reasons. I don't understand the reason to get so defensive... By the way I don't think fuwa is going to die or anything like that because of the torrents, this is mainly a community and the majority of us came here to talk about visual novels, manga or just chill for a while, taking the torrents off from the site was something that was going to happen sooner or later. Gibberish 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RinXD Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 To be fair I dont think to many countries are going to have issues with software being imported. It's things like food and alcohol that usually have issues and throw up flags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novel21 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 I dont care about torrents on this site very much since we can search VN on Google and find torrent about VN there. I didnt become member on this site for torrents but for to meet people talk to them and read news about VN. So I dont want this site to become closed for good. I really like this site very much. OriginalRen and Cyrillej1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklord Rooke Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 To be fair I dont think to many countries are going to have issues with software being imported. Ahaha, you can get done in Australia for child pornography I believe. Any Australians importing eroge should be careful... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RinXD Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Ahaha, you can get done in Australia for child pornography I believe. Any Australians importing eroge should be careful... That holds true for most civilized nations but if you were gonna import things like clannad persay they really cant say too much about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monmon Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Ahaha, you can get done in Australia for child pornography I believe. Any Australians importing eroge should be careful... Never buy eroge online, but i bought some 18+ Dakimakuras though. Somehow all of em arrived without a problem. Does those items count as a pornography items? Some of em r naked female(in 2ds ofc). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OriginalRen Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Just because it's easy for you to buy a visual novel doesn't mean it's easy for everybody around the world and I'm not even talking about money here, because you know... different countries have different customs policies. So don't make statements as if they were the pure truth that applies to everyone. I support kickstarter/indiegogo projects when I can and I even buy visual novels if they are available online but getting physical/hard copies is not something that everybody can afford to do.. for many many reasons. I don't understand the reason to get so defensive... By the way I don't think fuwa is going to die or anything like that because of the torrents, this is mainly a community and the majority of us came here to talk about visual novels, manga or just chill for a while, taking the torrents off from the site was something that was going to happen sooner or later. Before you assume I am getting defensive, read what group of people I am talking about. Based on your answer, you are not this kind of person, so it doesn't matter. Also, my main point is to say that hobbies cost money. I understand if you can't afford them because it's a hobby, but the solution is not going to be to complain about it and demand Fuwanovel keep their torrents so you don't have to pay money. Again, Fuwanovel is not these people's moms. If people say a site I like is going to crash and burn because of change, then yes, I will stand against them and prove them wrong. It's like your favorite football team (or whatever sport you may watch if you do). They might suck sometimes, but you will always defend them and love them as a fan, much like I will do the same with Fuwanovel. Yuuko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklord Rooke Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Never buy eroge online, but i bought some 18+ Dakimakuras though. Somehow all of em arrived without a problem. Does those items count as a pornography items? Some of em r naked female(in 2ds ofc). I'm not sure, I think it's a little dangerous but I'm not a legal expert. I just know in Australia child pornography laws extend to fictitious children. Child pornography laws in Australia prohibit all sexual depictions of children under the age of 18 (or under 16 in some states). The law also covers depictions of sexual acts involving people over the age of 18 who are simulating or otherwise alluding to being underage, even if all those involved are of a legal age.[1]Furthermore, there is a zero-tolerance policy in place, which covers purely fictional children as well as real children.[2] The possession, production, distribution, import, export, sale, or access over the internet of child pornography is punishable by a maximum of 10 years imprisonment and/or a fine up to A$275,000 as well as sex offender register requirements. In August 2007, an Australian was sentenced to pay an A$9,000 fine for attempting to import eight DVDs of Japanese anime and hentai found to contain pornographic depictions of children and 14 found to contain depictions of sexual violence. No images of real children were involved. "Customs National Manager Investigations, Richard Janeczko, said that it was important to understand that even cartoons or drawings such as those depicted in anime were prohibited if they contained offensive sexual content."[3] Also, in December 2008, a New South Wales Supreme Court judge, Justice Michael Adams, ruled to uphold a magistrate's decision that a pornographic cartoon parodying characters on The Simpsons (Bart and Lisa) was child pornography, because "t follows that a fictional cartoon character, even one which departs from recognisable human forms in some significant respects, may nevertheless be the depiction of a person within the meaning of the Act."[4][5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_pornography_laws_in_Australia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monmon Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 9K!!! Oh man..... Welp i wont buy any Lolis dakikamuras either way. Thx for the enlightenment buddy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sakimichi Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 I don't come here just for the torrents, I come here for discussion of VN's and as well as learning Fan T/L and extraction. This is the only place I could think of where discussion won't lead to harassment , name calling and looking down of other members. I won't mention the other place..but some of you know what I'm talking about. In summary, I don't think Fuwanovel is just a leeching site. If you browse other sections other than the torrents and get involve with projects/discussions then you will know that a community here does exist. The only user base that dies here are the leechers and thats understandable. Cyrillej1 and OriginalRen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuuko Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 To be fair I dont think to many countries are going to have issues with software being imported. It's things like food and alcohol that usually have issues and throw up flags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nayleen Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Same thing with Germany. Good thing I'm not a lolicon, eh? Also, Ren, arguing with the kind of people who bitch about VNs being too expensive are the same people who will keep bitching as more channels open up to buy them, as anything > $0 will be too much for them. The arguments I've seen after Tay's announcement make me sick to my stomach. they reek of false entitlement, and as you can see from the Ever17 example those people will refuse to accept there are indeed alternatives. I want to bring that kind of information to our main site so we can start supporting companies and get this niche medium that we all seem to love so much (no, some of the people I've seen just love free shit, not visual novels) can get off the ground and more popular, but it needs people to stop feeling entitled to them for free. These aren't AAA titles that aren't hurt by piracy nearly as much as official (e.g. licensed) translations are. Support what you love, or stop claiming you do. Darklord Rooke and Emi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsukiyo_Reiko Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Oh man, this gave me a heart attack! Jeez, don't scare me like that, guys. I'm glad that the forums are sticking around, and I'll still be glad to be a member of the community. Tough shit to anyone who leaves, though. I bet half of them will come crawling back with new accounts once they realize Fuwa was the best place for this kind of stuff. Ah well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
periah250 Posted February 22, 2015 Author Share Posted February 22, 2015 wow ok everyone you made your point fuwanovel will most likely thrive if nothing is changed about the current plans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tay Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 I've had this conversation, like, two hundred times in the last week : P, so forgive me for not chiming in. All I'll add is that any site that doesn't change or adapt to its circumstances will "die". We're going to lose some people and traffic, sure, but it's not like we're announcing this change and then sitting idle for the next six years. We've got dozens of people doing amazing work: Going down the directory or people recently praised in my PM inbox: I occasionally do work : P Blog: Zaka, JuicyYuuji97, shcboomer Front site redesign committee: Beato, Emi, the GMs, Nay, Rooke, Me and (eventually) probably a few more Front Site Updates: Beato FuwaReviews: Down, SolidBatman, Ryechu (nohman just stepped down, but I think he did a great job and I'm on the hunt to pin him to another job : P) Podcast: Fuwacast, Fuwa FM (lots of people on both projects) Recognition: Announcement coming soon. Social Media: Nosebleed, down, batman, zaka, me, ryouuu Webmaster: Nayleen Global Mods: Beato, Down, Kaguya, Kendjin, Nosebleed, Tiagofvarela Several BMs, still Team Members: Aniki, Ceris, Clephas, GetterEmperor, Keaton, Kurisu-Chan, Nohman, Solidbatman We've got ~12 people writing starter VN reviews for the upcoming FuwaAcademy (plus FuwaReview) We've got a lot of people signed up as player mentors And then you've got titanic community figures like Clephas (executor & VN jedi master), Flutterz (sex appeal), Ren (who actually does have a job in the LC but either didn't respond to a recent PM to me or it got buried under the 200ish PMs I've received over the last few days : P) (it was probably me, not him, for the record) -- these three have been complimented in PMs over the last few days, but there are dozens more who could be mentioned You've got lots of project managers in the LC as well as former staff The Fuwanovel Thinktank Rangers We don't claim their work, but all of the project managers in the dev boards are amazing draws and strengths of the community Tons of people who voluntarily help out in the tech support board (which isnt much fun at all to do) And lots more The great thing about Fuwa is we keep experimenting. When the projects up there are done, we'll move on to something else (as long as we're still enjoying ourselves). Fuwa may be impacted by the torrent drop, but unlike a lot of VN sites, we continue to innovate. Eclipsed, Isana, AdventSign and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaguya Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 The surveys Tay had received also do not indicate an overall deep attachment to torrents when taking into consideration the active userbase as a whole. I support the change, but I think this specific point isn't right. You can't expect people who only come for downloads to actually take a survey (much less one that long) to begin with. No idea whether or not we'll be able to move forward. Even if not a lot of people use torrents, a bunch of them found the site through those torrents... It'll depend on Tay's efforts, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nayleen Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Rooke's statement was over-generalized: Forum users only used Fuwanovel torrents about 40% of the time IIRC, with other demographics going as high up as 70% for Facebook users, sample sizes between 50 and 200 users. Too many uninformed opinions floating about, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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