sanahtlig Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Pfffft, I'm not shelling out good money just so I can entertain you folks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoom909 Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Whatever these Sakura games lack in their intrinsic value, it makes up for it in entertainment value watching VN fans go ballistic whenever they release a new one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasDice Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 I kind of want to see a Rooke writing review of a Sakura series game. I think that would be more entertaining than the game itself. Pfffft, I'm not shelling out good money just so I can entertain you folks I'm totally crowdfounding this. Be ready, Rooke. sanahtlig and Zenophilious 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanahtlig Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 The success of Sakura Spirits is frustrating because it's popular due to viral marketing. Viral marketing subverts the marketplace by flipping our notions of what makes a game worth noticing and playing upside down. Sakura Spirits was successful *because* it's bad and *because* it confirms the stereotype of VNs as silly harem comedies for weaboo losers. Others unfamiliar with this stereotype see the attention Sakura Spirits is getting and assume it's among the best the genre has to offer (because why else would it be getting so much attention). Thus the stereotype continues to self-proliferate, as stereotypes are wont to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklord Rooke Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 I'm totally crowdfounding this. Be ready, Rooke. This is all Bats' fault XD sanahtlig 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OriginalRen Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 "The Sakura series is like FNAF, except with boobs instead of jumpscares. Also, FNAF is a good game." This comment is perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abyssal Monkey Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 The success of Sakura Spirits is frustrating because it's popular due to viral marketing. Viral marketing subverts the marketplace by flipping our notions of what makes a game worth noticing and playing upside down. Sakura Spirits was successful *because* it's bad and *because* it confirms the stereotype of VNs as silly harem comedies for weaboo losers. Others unfamiliar with this stereotype see the attention Sakura Spirits is getting and assume it's among the best the genre has to offer (because why else would it be getting so much attention). Thus the stereotype continues to self-proliferate, as stereotypes are wont to do. This is my ignorant opinion on how I feel about KanColle. I refuse to educate myself further because I'm just tired of seeing it so much. It burnt me out before I got to even try it. I assume it's all propagated by people who went "OOOO! Ships that are cute/sexy/moe/etc females!" and not about how good the game is (sorry, but the wikipedia description of how the game is played sounds incredibly boring). This is also coincidentally how I feel about Touhou to an extent, but Touhou seems to actually have some merit as a game in the bullet hell genre. With Ren posting above me, I feel like I just fired shots. This should turn out fun. Unfortunately all we can do about the stereotype is show the people who had an interest in the first place one of the better titles the medium has to offer. I'm of the opinion that a significant portion of the people who feed this craze never cared about it in the first place. Anyone who was even mildly interested would probably take a look at the community and not base their assumptions on a single title. It's effectively xenophobia, anyone who is already into Japanese products probably knows and can tell this is a ginormous lampoon of the actual thing, and everyone else was probably already averse to it anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OriginalRen Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 This is my ignorant opinion on how I feel about KanColle. I refuse to educate myself further because I'm just tired of seeing it so much. It burnt me out before I got to even try it. I assume it's all propagated by people who went "OOOO! Ships that are cute/sexy/moe/etc females!" and not about how good the game is (sorry, but the wikipedia description of how the game is played sounds incredibly boring). This is also coincidentally how I feel about Touhou to an extent, but Touhou seems to actually have some merit as a game in the bullet hell genre. With Ren posting above me, I feel like I just fired shots. This should turn out fun. Unfortunately all we can do about the stereotype is show the people who had an interest in the first place one of the better titles the medium has to offer. I'm of the opinion that a significant portion of the people who feed this craze never cared about it in the first place. Anyone who was even mildly interested would probably take a look at the community and not base their assumptions on a single title. It's effectively xenophobia, anyone who is already into Japanese products probably knows and can tell this is a ginormous lampoon of the actual thing, and everyone else was probably already averse to it anyway. Oh, don't worry. I haven't played and/or touched Kancolle once ever since I heard about it in 2013 when it was just kicking off in Japan and I was studying there. I have also never laid eyes on the anime except for clips at shops in Akiba. I love Kancolle because I like WWII naval history. I also like it because the girls are cute and some of them are awesome characters, that's all. The game is shit, and so is the anime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OriginalRen Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 it confirms the stereotype of VNs as silly harem comedies for weaboo losers. Wait...that's not what VNs are? Shit... BookwormOtaku 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satsuki Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 No. No. Just...no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zodai Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Well, this one at least pretends to have a plot. Still reads like your average fan-translation though. Pfffft, I'm not shelling out good money just so I can entertain you folks What if someone gifted it to you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosebleed Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Honestly at this point i'm considering dedicating my time to growing a potato farm in my backyard over reading this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clephas Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 VNs are a medium, not a genre, but I doubt most people who haven't played them but know about them think that way. Most automatically think 'dating sim', 'sex game', or 'scantily-clad cartoon girl-games' when they hear 'Visual Novel'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satsuki Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 VNs are a medium, not a genre, but I doubt most people who haven't played them but know about them think that way. Most automatically think 'dating sim', 'sex game', or 'scantily-clad cartoon girl-games' when they hear 'Visual Novel'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklord Rooke Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 What if someone gifted it to you? Zenophilious and sanahtlig 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenophilious Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Yet another VN people will troll their friends with by gifting it to them. Sekai, pls, stahp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zodai Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 *Sigh* Well, if someone gifted it to me I would write an entertaining and detailed writing critique and stick it on Fuwa's incredibly useful bloggy thing. I don't see why people would be interested in torturing me like that reading such a thing though... No, on the contrary we want you to grab the bat from your garage and beat it on the head as hard as you bloody can. Then we shall hoist its corpse up the watchtower and roast marshmallows on its skin while we dump everything we don't need into the sewers. That sounds like just the sort of thing to get everybody's spirits' up, wouldn't you say? Might as well get something out of it. April Fools is coming up as well, so it seems like the perfect time to do something like that. xD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satsuki Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 *Sigh* Well, if someone gifted it to me I would write an entertaining and detailed writing critique and stick it on Fuwa's incredibly useful bloggy thing. I don't see why people would be interested in torturing me like that reading such a thing though... Ok, let me torture you to death gift it to you sanahtlig and BookwormOtaku 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklord Rooke Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 In case anybody really wants me to undertake this, here’s my steam profile. I don’t use it in case anyone was wondering. If someone gifts me this and I finish the critique, Ren had better grant me a “took one for the team” award or I will riot like it’s 1999... http://steamcommunity.com/id/Rookelord Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vokoca Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 I don't know why this still keeps amazing me, but there's more?! To be honest, I like the art at least, and I might even skip through this if it had h-scenes... but in the state these VNs are now, it doesn't even seem worth doing that. But hey, at least we'll get a load of new amazing nonsense sentences... right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexZandria Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 VNs are a medium, not a genre, but I doubt most people who haven't played them but know about them think that way. Most automatically think 'dating sim', 'sex game', or 'scantily-clad cartoon girl-games' when they hear 'Visual Novel'. I consider VNs to the a medium for story telling and a genre of games with the classic 'genres' (such as action, romance, and horror) being their sub-genres. With the amount of visual novel you get mixed in with RPGs and at times point and clock mystery I consider it more a genre than a separate medium if we're talking games. It's only when we are talking about stories/writings I consider it a medium Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tawm Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 If nothing else, that artstyle is atrocious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abyssal Monkey Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 If nothing else, that artstyle is atrocious. I find the art style better than a few amateur doujin in the medium. (Yes, I think 7th Expansion art is horrid. fite me) At least in Sakura Spirit they match the aesthetic properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurisu-Chan Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Mmm... to be honest, I'm reluctant to just dismiss them out of hand, despite the fact that Sakura was such a compete kusoge. A few concerns. 1. Monster design was too cartoonish (generally a sign of an inevitable fall into 'fantasy tacked onto a mindless VN) 2. Protagonist being female is a good thing... but then why was there any need to make the costumes so excessively provocative? (another sign of excessive attempts to lure moe-fans) 3. No H, and yet they kept the excessively ecchi costumes... which is just weird (it is actually much easier to design freely if you aren't showing almost everything). 4. No serious details on plot (another big bad sign) Nonetheless, I'll probably still demo it then decide. at least, we know that this won't be like Shikkoku no Sharnoth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abyssal Monkey Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Mmm... to be honest, I'm reluctant to just dismiss them out of hand, despite the fact that Sakura was such a compete kusoge. A few concerns. 1. Monster design was too cartoonish (generally a sign of an inevitable fall into 'fantasy tacked onto a mindless VN) 2. Protagonist being female is a good thing... but then why was there any need to make the costumes so excessively provocative? (another sign of excessive attempts to lure moe-fans) 3. No H, and yet they kept the excessively ecchi costumes... which is just weird (it is actually much easier to design freely if you aren't showing almost everything). 4. No serious details on plot (another big bad sign) Nonetheless, I'll probably still demo it then decide. Can someone explain to me what a kusoge actually is? Wikipedia defines it quite literally as a "shit game" or a game with bad reception. What I'm confused about is that most -ge are used as a descriptor for a genre. Does this mean that Sakkura Spirits was intentionally meant to fall into that genre, or is kusoge just a derogatory term meant to describe it as shit. The way Clephas used it makes it seem like a genre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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