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A small Reality Check

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Haha, I just linked that article in the TS.

To be honest, an article like that comes out every few months, or even more regularly, and everything has been pretty much said to death. The reaction of most of the japanese in this article are pretty sensible. Except those who want to sweep under the rug a bunch of things they don't like because of the Olympics, but hey, Olympics have sadly always caused pretty stupid things like that.

 

Also this quote made me roll in laughter at the last line:

 

"I like young-girl sexual creations, Lolicon is just one hobby of my many hobbies," he says.

 

I ask what his wife, standing nearby, thinks of his "hobby".

 

"She probably thinks no problem," he replies. "Because she loves young boys sexually interacting with each other."

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Yeah, I know... but this reminds me of the violent video game debate.  Despite it having been repeatedly proven that FPS and violent action games don't have any connection to actual violence, people insist on believing they do.  Moreover, video game violence has been proven to be therapeutic for those with hot tempers. 

 

So why can't people accept that it is the same for sexual matters?  I mean, not allowing real porn or stuff that verges on it both makes sense and is morally correct.  However, it is fundamentally ridiculous to think that abuse of a fictional character will somehow make someone that doesn't already have that tendency go that way...

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Milldy interesting article though nothing I haven't seen before. It's always the same "Japan selling child pornography" type of thing and then try shoving that label onto manga/anime. Although I did enjoy the more neutral stand point of the writer, made the article bareable to read.

 

I still stand by the "no thought-policing" opinion. People shouldn't go to jail for having fantasies and I wish some more "outsiders" wouldn't just push their labels onto people just because it doesn't sit right with them (it's the same thing with the on-going "violence in games causes irl violence" debate which is already retarded enough). The government doesn't have the right to say what's proper and inproper in people's fantasies. If no one's rights are being violated in real life then you have no business being there, look away if you don't like it.

If only it was that simple..

 

People just need to be more open minded~

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Yeah, I know... but this reminds me of the violent video game debate.  Despite it having been repeatedly proven that FPS and violent action games don't have any connection to actual violence, people insist on believing they do.  Moreover, video game violence has been proven to be therapeutic for those with hot tempers. 

 

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What often happens is that, if one person does something bad IRL and then god forbid the media finds that person was, say, a fan of GTA. They will try to shove the idea of "The game caused this!" down your throat so hard you won't even have a chance to breathe.

 

And it's this "one person does something once and just so happened to fit this criteria therefore everyone else that fits that arbitrary criteria (in this case, games) will also do it so we need to ban it" mentality that more often than not irks the hell out of me.

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What often happens is that, if one person does something bad IRL and then god forbid the media finds that person was, say, a fan of GTA. They will try to shove the idea of "The game caused this!" down your throat so hard you won't even have a chance to breathe.

 

And it's this "one person does something once and just so happened to fit this criteria therefore everyone else that fits that arbitrary criteria (in this case, games) will also do it so we need to ban it" mentality that more often than not irks the hell out of me.

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Rationalising away violence? That never happens!

 

It's fine to point out the silliness of the hypotheses in question, but nothing's been proven one way or the other. So people should be a little careful of treating unproven hypotheses as fact and using them as the basis of another conclusion. That's all ;)

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People just don't want to admit that human beings are fundamentally evil... its basically all out of a desire to sweep everything under the carpet so they don't have to face the reality of their own natures.

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i liked the fact that the reporter did what reporters are supposed to do and just reported the information with out to much spin or personal opinion i really appreciate that professionalism we rarely see it in journalism anymore.  while it may be well known here in fuwa that im no fan of the lollicon sub-genre and fandom. i still defend the lolicons right to their thoughts  and fantasies.

 

you like what you like and no amount of grandstanding by some overly judgmental section of society no matter how large and powerful will stop that. i guarantee you the moment you outlaw lolicon anime,manga and games for legal retail sale they will start being made independently by fans and sold through the net ,flea markets,underground mail-away catalogs and conventions.

 

in the USA in the late fifty's to seventy's when the comic code was introduced,enforced and you could not buy comics about sex,drugs,violence or adult themes and images like gore they started being made by college students, artists under pen names, and others and sold at campuses,concerts,festivals and other places the people in to that content gathered. hell i still have a few that were my fathers from the early sixty's . 

 

ostracizing and trying to outright prohibition of peoples  thoughts, fantasy's and creativity does nothing but breed resentment and forge a underground market for such material.

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i liked the fact that the reporter did what reporters are supposed to do and just reported the information with out to much spin or personal opinion i really appreciate that professionalism we rarely see it in journalism anymore.  while it may be well known here in fuwa that im no fan of the lollicon sub-genre and fandom. i still defend the lolicons right to their thoughts  and fantasies.

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People just don't want to admit that human beings are fundamentally evil... its basically all out of a desire to sweep everything under the carpet so they don't have to face the reality of their own natures.

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I read an article some time ago about the reason they see no problem with it as it gives people with those urges and tendencies a healthy outlet rather then taking it upon themselves and hurting someone .

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You see... I find it hard to believe that manga and anime will make people see Japan as "cool Japan" by taking away this so-called "child pornography" label they are slapping on. There is more to Japan than just anime and manga, contrary to popular belief.  :amane:

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I don't know about that. I found the article very biased, albeit implicitly. The title, the introduction and the conclusion are built around the same idea, leaving the middle of the article for confronting ideas about the matter - that ends up sounding more judgemental than inquisitive.

 

I don't mind it at all, though. No journalism will ever be neutral.

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i agree to a point about the title and possibly the conclusion to a degree. but considering that the title is pretty much just click baiting and the conclusion has lil to do with the anime and manga or eroge portions of otaku culture and more to do with real life junior idol videos that are essentially gravure videos of lil kids i cant agree with that. ive seen many, many of these news pieces when there's a slow news day where all they do for the full length of the article is paint all anime,manga and j-games as explicit degenerative porn and the fans as rapists in the making so to me this was pretty balanced since he bothered to show opposing views.

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as sad is it is that i have to say this but for the most part the media goes out of its way to ignore our section of geeky fandom but when they need something to splash a headline with when there's nothing of import going on or if there's a news story tangentially connected to otaku culture or hobbies thats worth reporting on you will see these "smear" pieces pop up on many major news sources from all over. its pretty common for a very long time now for news agency's to use fringe subcultures like otaku, goth,conspiracy theorists,punk,ravers,ect. to throw out sparsely researched inflammatory articles to fill space and help sell their content.

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