douggle Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 See, you don't know much about VNs, if H-scenes are 70 percent of them, then they are not eroges at all they are nukiges. No. You are misunderstanding I said 70 percent of those which HAVE h-scenes. not that ARE 70 percent H-scenes, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flutterz Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 If you can skip them (which in at least 70 percent of them you can by holding down the ctrl key) I fail to see the problem. Some H-scenes might contain information relevant to the story, admittedly these are in the minority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
douggle Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Some H-scenes might contain information relevant to the story, admittedly these are in the minority. I agree with that, however one should know this before they go and read it. There are plenty of ways to find that out without spoiling yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordBlane Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 I really think that the solution is to give us an option to disable it or to enable it. It's resolve everything. We don't need to delete them. Everyone will be happy. That's my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
douggle Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 I really think that the solution is to give us an option to disable it or to enable it. It's resolve everything. We don't need to delete them. Everyone will be happy. That's my opinion. That would work for a few. but Flutterz raised a valid point too in some Eroge there is plot relevant hscenes. albeit there aren't alot that way but there are some that do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okami Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 I agree with that, however one should know this before they go and read it. There are plenty of ways to find that out without spoiling yourself. Yea, but someone might still want to read a story, but no H-scenes in it, but because there is usually no all-ages version of the same title he is forced to read the H-scenes too. Just like Flutterz said: Not everything is so black and white. Someone might not want H-scenes, but be willing to tolerate them to read a good story. Despite that, they would enjoy the VN more if it didn't have H-scenes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
douggle Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Yea, but someone might still want to read a story, but no H-scenes in it, but because there is usually no all-ages version of the same title he is forced to read the H-scenes too. Just like Flutterz said: You say they are forced, however the fact they are reading it at all is entirely the readers choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 I don't see what would be the use for an option to disable the H-scenes. It doesn't make it more marketable because it's still marked as porn, and holding down the ctrl key to skip the scene takes a solid 5 seconds. I do that all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Well I understand people not liking H and yet still liking the concept of images with story. And exactly for them there is plenty of all-ages games, mostly on PSP or stuff like that, where you can only enjoy the story and not the H. However most of them are not translated and that's where those people have a problem, they cannot pick exactly what they want. But neither can I really with my high demands, there is very few translated VNs if you consider how many Japanese ones there actually are, so you either have to learn the language or tolerate something you might not like. Except works like Key, there will always be higher popularity in the H-games because they are for more people, they are for people who like H and people who don't like them can only skip it, that means there are more translators who want to get H-games translated for wider audience. The game would have to be extremely popular (like said Key works for example) for it to have enough fanbase to get a translation done. However nothing is stopping you if you don't like H scenes from trying to find similar people to translate them, just don't expect other translators groups disabling H scenes if it is not possible in the original engine, you should have seen how terrible it was with the Konosora project. And you definitely cannot expect Japanese developer who actually make money from selling games to young businessmen and such to suddenly not have ero content, they are struggling to even sell it with it, they would not be able to produce those games without H content because teenagers will rather buy Naruto manga or whatever is now cool in Japan and goodies for anime, rather than ero games and ero figs. If you suddenly try to sell mature VNs to teenagers without sexual content, you will fail because they prefer different kind of stories, different kind of relationships and such, you don't want to compete against all the thousands of shounen manga there is in Japan or all the anime-based PSP VNs and games without H content. With eroge there is at least one demographic that buys it FOR SURE, and those are the young adult men who enjoy the sexual parts of the games together with the story, if you do not please those people, there is NOBODY who will buy your game. So bottom line: Translators will not translate a niche within a niche unless its extremely popular (like KEY works), there are some who translate those games but most people are in it for the ero, if you wish you can pick from the many of All-ages VNs to translate if you are able to put the group together. Developers of eroge will not start developing their games without ero content because it is the only reason people in Japan buy them, they cannot afford to compete against shounen manga/anime, only giants like KEY can afford such thing and even their popularity is declining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okami Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 You say they are forced, however the fact they are reading it at all is entirely the readers choice. How is it a choice when we don't have an option to read all-ages version of the same title? (Except in some very rare cases) The only option would be to not read it at all but now we are going back in circles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadIEnd Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 I don't see what would be the use for an option to disable the H-scenes. It doesn't make it more marketable because it's still marked as porn, and holding down the ctrl key to skip the scene takes a solid 5 seconds. I do that all the time. >5 seconds Not with Yuzusoft VNs, haha. That can take 10-15 minutes because of their colossal length. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zakamutt Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 >Steve on market realites This is true for Japan, but not necessarily true for the west. One idea is this: If you want VNs tailored to your western tastes in ero, support western vn creators Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Well sure, if you want non-H VNs in English, support them OELs xD Trip to Nippon is on steam, you can buy it if you want xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
douggle Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 When it comes right down to it we are reading a form of media that was never originally intended for a western audience. We tend to have a different mindset when it comes to Hscenes and such, As others have said that is the main selling point for Eroge is the Hscenes. If it can have an awesome story too thats even more awesome, but I digress. As far as western vn's I would gladly support them if I find a Western VN worth reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okami Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 >Steve you are ignoring the possibility of making both all-ages version of VN and 18+ one. Japanese companies are making lot's of versions of their titles anyway, so why not release at least one of them to be all-ages one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zakamutt Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 ^costs money, not necessarily profitable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 >Steve you are ignoring the possibility of making both all-ages version of VN and 18+ one. Japanese companies are making lot's of versions of their titles anyway, so why not release at least one of them to be all-ages one. No i'm not, those companies barely have money to release one version, if they would have to rewrite parts of the scripts to not have H scenes it would be much more expensive and they would probably lose more than invested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beato Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 I don't mind H-scenes in theory but so many of them are simply shoved in there. I mean if it's a moege it isn't as important but when there's a plot going on and everything just stops in the middle of everything for some hawt sex... More VN companies should do what August does and only have a few H scenes in the main story and let you unlock H-scenes in the extra section as you read trough the story. I also think many H-scenes come off as unintentionally creepy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okami Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 No i'm not, those companies barely have money to release one version, if they would have to rewrite parts of the scripts to not have H scenes it would be much more expensive and they would probably lose more than invested. That is not true, as I said most companies already release more than one version of their games. Just look at VNDB releases of VNs it is very rare that a VN has just one release they usually have at least 5 while some have more than 20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhiroo Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 That is not true, as I said most companies already release more than one version of their games. Just look at VNDB releases of VNs it is very rare that a VN has just one release they usually have at least 5 while some have more than 20. The problem is that they release for the Japanese audience and 18+ titles are more popular than All-Ages by far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O. Van Bruce Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 That is not true, as I said most companies already release more than one version of their games. Just look at VNDB releases of VNs it is very rare that a VN has just one release they usually have at least 5 while some have more than 20. No problem mate: everyone gets what they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okami Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 The problem is that they release for the Japanese audience and 18+ titles are more popular than All-Ages by far. Yea, but if they already have 4 releases for 18+ versions of same title why not make a 5th one all-ages one, it's not like they will get a lot more with one more 18+ releases of the same title when they already have a bunch of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ServeTheServant Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 That is not true, as I said most companies already release more than one version of their games. Just look at VNDB releases of VNs it is very rare that a VN has just one release they usually have at least 5 while some have more than 20. As an English reader, multiple releases only serve to put further pressure on the main bottleneck to me reading a VN -- translation. Look at LittleBusters, for example -- the EX version has a separate translation project that still hasn't come out. I do sometimes wish h-scenes weren't so prevalent merely for the sake of social acceptability -- I don't really want anyone IRL to know I read VNs just because of the sexual connotations. However, I'm honest enough with myself to realize I do enjoy them when well written. As far as what versions get translation priority, I'd choose the more complete, content-filled version every time -- which often means h-scenes rather than not. However, I'm equally willing to play something good that is entirely all-ages, if it isn't just a whitewashed version of an originally adult title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O. Van Bruce Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Yea, but if they already have 4 releases for 18+ versions of same title why not make a 5th one all-ages one, it's not like they will get a lot more with one more 18+ releases of the same title when they already have a bunch of them. Because -Normal edition -limited edition -ultra limited edition -downloadable edition Also, the few all ages version that do come out are for consoles, with the exception of some studios like Key Solutions: - Learn Japanese - Get a PSP/Vita - ?????? - Profit. That way, your eyes will remain untainted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosebleed Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Those editions are stuff to increase their sales. They're not a new version of the game most of the times. They include stuff like artbooks and OST CDs and whatnot. To increase sales. Making an All Ages versions costs more money because they have to redesign the game itself so it's not profitable unless you're a big company which isn't the case for most VN producers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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