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A Note Before Reading: I realize this isn't a topic to take lightly, but I'm interested in hearing other people's viewpoints on the subject. Historically they're a major part of the medium, and so I feel they're worthy of some discussion.

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I'm not a fan of H-Scenes. I love VNs too much to give them up, but when *those* scenes come up I generally click through at high speeds, looking away kind of awkwardly. (Now, I realize that there are two types of H-Scenes: ones intended to be "tasteful", and others in games which are blatantly sex-oriented. All of my comments are directed to the former, as the latter are... well... they are what they are.)

Is it because I'm "afraid" of sex or sensuality? No way. I'm happily married and therefore have a healthy context to this stuff. Rather, I feel like H-scenes cheapen the VN experience. I understand that these scenes can represent a culmination of romance between two characters, but I don't understand why they have to be so graphic.

I feel like these scenes are included in VNs for the same reason they're included in most AAA movies: the obligate sex-appeal to be used for advertising.

That's the short version of my opinion, more or less. I'm interested in hearing what others think. Again, I realize this isn't the easiest topic to discuss, but I'm interested in sounding out.

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Personally, I play a lot of visual novels specifically for the H-scenes. I like quite cutesy stuff, so I'm glad that there are cute, sugary vn with sex scenes in, rather than just having the hardcore stuff to choose from. I also like to get to 'know' a character before the sex - what can I say, I guess I'm just an ol' romantic - so I also like having the sex scenes anchored in some kind of story.

On the other hand, I also love a good plot, and I have had times when I've really been jolted out of it by a random H-scene that seems thrown in just for the sake of it. For example, I'm currently playing Kara no Shoujo, and am totally invested in the mysteries and how the story might turn out. The H-scenes so far have added nothing to the story, and I've just clicked through them to get back to the main point.

So, I guess I do have an issue with H-scenes that are just there for the sake of it. It would be nice if works with a genuine story to tell didn't feel they had to have sex in them to sell. I actually think it's a great idea when studios such as Key do all-ages and adult versions of their games.

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The second time this has come up today. Like you said, a point worthy of much discussion. I'm glad you brought it up.

I am fundamentally with you on this matter. Let me give you some background as I know it: a good VNs is to me a work of art and a piece of brilliant literature. As far as I am concerned, there are a million and one other, BETTER ways of illustrating romance and/or helping your readers "get to know" your characters ASIDE from letting them take them to bed. Unfortunately as you have said, sex has indeed been a major part of the medium and it shows little sign of ceasing to be so (I could write long essays on why I think this to be the case but unless anyone is interested I won't).

As such my stance is this: If it does have sex, it is something that is at best "there just cos' it has to be" or; at worst, filthy mud that taints the brilliance of what is otherwise a radiant star. Seriously though, sometimes even if the scene is perfectly in context the very thinking behind their undertones just makes me wanna scream! Freshest in my mind as an example is Daibanchou. Basically, you're a banchou (sorta like a gang leader) that fights other people with the ultimate aim of destroying all evil. At regular intervals you are offered a "heroine sex phase" where you can select your lover for the time - with the effect of giving you bonuses like extra stamina or more money. Having sex with girls to get more money. I mean REALLY NOW. I don’t even need to START saying in how many ways that’s WRONG.

Anyways practically speaking, it depends on what you are comfortable with. A proportion are not comfortable with seeing sex full stop - in which case I direct them to the many great VNs that don't have any. For the rest who can tolerate it up to a point, I encourage extensive use the “skip” button. (you can hold down “Ctrl” on the keyboard to speed through text in almost all VNs).

The other thing is, you should be able to tell from the cover and title if there is excessive sex is in the game. I shouldn’t need to give examples - though I include with this advice the notable exception of “Monster Girl Quest”. This game follows an RPG format and came highly recommended by many. I began playing it and thoroughly enjoyed its gameplay, storyline, and satires on standard RPG cliches.

...then I discovered the full title was “Monster Girl Quest ~ Lose and you will be raped by monster girls!” So I thought: ok fine, then I'll just keep on making sure that I don't lose!

...that’s when I discovered you can’t get a 100% completion rate for the game's "monsterpedia" unless you've made yourself lose to every single enemy in the game.

... -_____________-

I continue to cultivate my propensity for tolerance as I wait with bated breath for the release of Monster Girl Quest 3. Watch this space.

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LOL this question is clearly not to be question....

its either yes or no...clearly up to the game company...

let me tell you something...H-scenes is clearly for fans to get hook(japanese fans)....

we aint the ones who decide...we are out from their jurisdiction.

there are stories which h-scenes are necessary and others dont need to be..

only few pc games which has no ero scenes can be found :P well which is kinda sad.....

only non-ero visual novels are console.....

so no point arguing about it...

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I usually see H-scenes as some kind of bonus (when it isn't a nukige). w Eroge can have the stupidest excuses, but still valid reasons to start a H-scene. What I find most disappointing is how most of them don't really play a significant role in the story, and don't have as much of an impact on it as you would expect. When it does play a significant role it's usually some dumb excuse like how "this magical being lives off of semen and can't live without it!" or something. I also find it kind of shallow when in some games once you enter a character's route, everyone else becomes insignificant and fail to influence you in any way, or they suddenly start skipping potential scenes altogether.

Examples of eroge that I do consider as having H-scenes playing a significant role in the story on the top of my head: Kikokugai and Saya no Uta, both by Nitroplus.

In Kikokugai it emphasizes the cruelty of the world they live in, and is deeply related to the protagonist's hatred.

In Saya no Uta it has some disturbing implications, as well as development of the story and characters.

Another few games that aren't as dark.. hmm.

furifure2, it's a nukige but the H-scenes fit perfectly into the development of both story and characters.

Osananajimi wa Daitouryou, very funny comedic eroge but at the same time really nice character development in a short time. (For El's route at least) Every interaction the characters made were interesting to look at and made a good build up towards the H-scenes.

Uhm.. yea let's keep it to that, I gotta go to sleep. XD

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They can be unnecessary but i guess its there for the ねんたい(pervert) fan service

i think they should have an option to disable the eroge so that people that just want to enjoy the story rather than having to endure the sex scenes

i am one for romance visual novels but it can get annoying to sift through the scenes

and even sometimes if you skip through you miss parts of the story

for example like with shuffle when i played that i found the h scenes rather annoying because i loved the story i had to endure it >.<

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They are actually a level of freedom of expression that the West does not have.

I want to quote from one of my drafts:

  • "I know that a lot of people... and I mean a LOT of ppl in this world, can benefit from the bishoujos (or bishounen) because visual novels are not like any other form of media. They are the only thing that constructs REAL personal relationships with the player, in 1st person, on PURPOSE, and it is PREPOSTEROUS, and that is why they are so freaking AWESOME! Visual novels have the power to bring HOPE to those people who otherwise have no hope left in life... and that is an incredible amount of power encapsulated in a set of very simple ideas... they are ideas that can Change Lives!
    Vic ireland president of Gaijinworks says visual novels is the last frontier of untapped Japanese games. So to me there is really only one answer. To spread visual novels! These ideas are simply too good for us to be keeping to ourselves."

bishoujo = pretty girl

bishounen = pretty guy

We don't have something like this in the West. That is why it is imperative that it must go out to the world (or i want it to) and make humanity better. I think that erotic scenes are just a part of the package of the visual novel ideas. They are a level of freedom of thought that people outside of Japan cannot discover for fear of stigmatism.

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I've played many VNs (I always call them galgame). There are H scenes in many galgames. I will consider H scene a part of the game since I really like this game. There are two simple choices, either watch it(this is what I perfered >///<) or skip it.

From one galgame I played, there were alert before H scene and you can select if you are going to watch it. I appreciate that very much. I don't know whether it's designed in that game or the people who translated the game added that.

The only thing I concerned is that the translation of galgames won't censor these H scenes. I do know a few galgames were translated without translating H scene. This makes me disappointed because I feel I get a incomplete works.

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H-scenes have been apart of Vn's since the very beginning. It's almost expected for them to have H-scenes and I'm sure alot of people do enjoy them.

While alot of the time I tend to only quickly read through a H-scene, as most have little real importance to the plot and can just be skipped. That said If I really like the character I'll happily sit through H-scenes.

But some Vn's get H-scenes right, as some people above have given some examples of Vn's where H-scenes are done well I won't go and list more 'cause I'm lazy.

So yeah, While most H-scenes are boring same same there are diamonds in the rough that can just emotionally blow you away be they humorous, saddening, shocking or just kinda rather hot e.c.t.

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For me, h-scenes usually feel really tacked-on without much thought for how they impact the story, and are just there to make the VN sell. Example: Type-Moon's earlier works (Tsukihime and Fate/stay night) have some really bad h-scenes, but their more recent stuff (Realta Nua and Mahou Tsukai no Yoru) lack them completely.

Of course, my problem is not with sex in general, but rather how it's handled. I think such scenes should be meaningful to the plot in some way, either as a device (like in Saya no Uta, as someone mentioned above), as a way to show the development of two characters' relationship, or whatever. One VN that comes to mind as having some nice sex scenes in this regard is Katawa Shoujo.

And regarding nukiges... though I do like reading some every now and then, there's nothing keeping one of those from having an interesting story as well.

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When I first started playing, I most definitely had no interest in the h-scenes. However, it's been interesting - if disturbing - to explore where my sexual tastes lie in the years since. As for whether they are necessary... sex sells. Who would play a moege without h-scenes? Seriously. Well, some I would but I certainly wouldn't bother with most. As for sex in other types of eroge (excluding those where the ero is the point of the game), the h-scenes are often simply part of the story (with the exception of ones put in there just to be titillating, like school, bdsm, and public place h-scenes). As an example, the h-scenes in Kei's path in Dies Irae are very much a part of the story and serve as a point of hilarity and odd tenderness in the otherwise grim story. Similarly, the h-scenes in Jingai Makyou usually serve a specific point other than being still-frame hentai. I won't go into details, though...

However, in many games, the h-scenes do seem unnatural in how they are placed, and there is an excessive amount of emphasis put on the sexual aspect of the game. Moege are most frequently of this type, pandering to a certain crowd that likes to see girls of certain types in various positions...

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Really interesting points Aaeru. imo your blog post and post above deserve separate replies. Below is my response to your post above.

I think that erotic scenes are just a part of the package of the visual novel ideas.
But the thing is, I actually don't think they are.

Did you guys know that Fate/Stay Night was originally designed to have a girl protagonist (instead of Shirou) who summoned King Arthur (and not girl-dressed-as-guy-Arturia) as a servant (Google Fate/Prototype if you don’t believe me)?? I’m really suspicious of that decision, personally... to me it just suggests that the producers knew their audience would welcome the current moe-moe character types more than they would their original designs.

Let’s consider the anime industry. In the not-too-distant past, producers released K-On: the first anime to concentrate almost exclusively on moe-heavy characterisation. K-On proved a massive hit. Result? Moe-clones EVERYWHERE. The situation is similar to sex scenes in VNs, I think: the history of the genre is inseparable from slavish datesims and disgustingly obnoxious hentai. As such, producers think that every time they make a VN, sex scenes MUST be included! Key is of course a notable exception, but even then releasing Clannad without sexual content was seen as such a maverick move. And even though I honestly thought it was a sign of things moving forward, they had to release a sequel with H (Tomoyo After) almost STRAIGHT after. Even Little Busters followed the same pattern if not worse - with an extension featuring H-scenes for ALL characters (and not forgetting that blasted Kud Wafter...). Furthermore, they continue to be the ONLY mainstream studio that releases PC-based (the original format for most) VNs that have no sexual content.

tl;dr: I think VN companies that see the inclusion of sex scenes as a mere obligation are more numerous than you think. I say that because of the extraordinary number (at least imo) of sex scenes that are BADLY placed and/or BADLY done. And though I am totally with you on the idea of free speech and freedom of expression, when one learns that people are modifying their own ideas so much just so that they can please others even when the fact that the intellectual climate doesn’t necessitate such actions, the value of that human right is cheapened very heavily indeed.

PS Aaeru: WHY is your member title "worthless"!!?

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I more or less agree that many VNs include h-scenes more as an obligation than anything else. Moege and nukige being exceptions, of course (as no one in their right mind would play most moege without h-scenes and the point of a nukige is the h-scenes). Nakige and a good portion of the action/story-focused VNs do not need h-scenes at all. Of course, action games are more likely to include the h-scenes in a timely manner, but when they do include them badly, they are completely out of place.

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h-scenes make VNs into a "goal oriented" experience

there is no gameplay, officially. instead you play the game with the expectation that your reward is getting to bang the girl, and all that hard work pays off.

VNs began as dating simulators. in dates, you are generally expected to bang your woman. it's not a question of whether you want to or not. if you're not interested, and are into platonic love or something, the girl will get turned off, thinking she's unattractive because you don't want to touch her. she is also disappointed if you don't put out.

you don't go on dates because all you want from someone is a good time. likewise, you don't play a dating sim without thinking eventually, you are going to fornicate like ferrets.

most VNs these days are not simply dating sims, they simulate other stuff of which male-female interaction is a smaller part. so there's less goal-oriented gameplay. did you play Muv-Luv because you wanted Takeru to graduate high school?

vns are limited not by the graphic nudity and sex, but by 1) this "goal oriented" mentality and 2) the dumb porno cliches

also because everything is harem now, you can expect bangs from any character with a moderately attractive design. too predictable

sex scenes are necessary adult content. H scene? not necessarily.

tl;dr: I think VN companies that see the inclusion of sex scenes as a mere obligation are more numerous than you think. I say that because of the extraordinary number (at least imo) of sex scenes that are BADLY placed and/or BADLY done. And though I am totally with you on the idea of free speech and freedom of expression, when one learns that people are modifying their own ideas so much just so that they can please others even when the fact that the intellectual climate doesn’t necessitate such actions, the value of that human right is cheapened very heavily indeed.

yo you heard of comiket

they sell tons of H doujins that otaku lap up

sex sells. Japan loves anime, Japan loves hentai. it's not ridiculous to think that they find something in the H they like. it just so happens that Japan's cultural attitude toward sex doesn't gel with the rest of us

I personally find spontaneous sex hot. In Ever17,

there were two sex scenes that weren't shown. There were several encounters between Tsugumi and Takeshi, and one with Kid and You. Both of these scenes were incredibly hot, and were lead in by scenes of anxiousness. Nothing was shown, but the implication was so strong you got aroused just knowing what happened.

those were not good "H scene" but was good "sex scene". Hollywood also knows more is less. a woman in a bikini is hotter than the same woman naked. but you can set the mood, set the attitude, and make the encounter way more erotic than it would be in a porn movie.

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yo you heard of comiket

they sell tons of H doujins that otaku lap up

sex sells. Japan loves anime, Japan loves hentai. it's not ridiculous to think that they find something in the H they like. it just so happens that Japan's cultural attitude toward sex doesn't gel with the rest of us.

Mate, sex sells EVERYWHERE. Whether in Japan OR elsewhere! But the thing is, what they think has no bearing on what I think. Nor should it, for me or for anyone else.

I think the problem we have is a difference in interpretation. You seem to have this idea that VNs exist for sex scenes and sex scenes alone...

most VNs these days are not simply dating sims, they simulate other stuff of which male-female interaction is a smaller part. so there's less goal-oriented gameplay. did you play Muv-Luv because you wanted Takeru to graduate high school?

As you rightly said, VNs are not datesims. They are more than datesims. That difference explains why I play VNs and not datesims.

On the subject of Muv-Luv...

I PLAY MUV-LUV FOR THE PLOT ORLY WHAT IS THIS “PLOT” IN MUV-LUV THAT YOU SPEAK OF etc... I think it drives home the point that questions like [to what extent sex plays a great role in VNs] are completely, utterly subjective. There are people who would be able to find deep meaning in seemingly cliched, superficial storylines; and there are people who will ignore even the most amazing piece of literature and home straight in on the sex simply because drawn on the cover is the most HNNGH-inducing imochara that they have ever seen!

tl;dr: there is no such thing as a true nukige. Even a seemingly clear-cut example like SonoHana 7, whose official art doesn’t try to hide the fact that the only thing that goes through Takako’s mind when Runa is being all Tsun is how she will sound when she’s playing with her in bed...

...well, would you believe me if I told you that I submitted to my college writers’ magazine 500+ words on what that game says about asserting yourself in relationships?

Lastly...

in dates, you are generally expected to bang your woman. it's not a question of whether you want to or not. if you're not interested, and are into platonic love or something, the girl will get turned off, thinking she's unattractive because you don't want to touch her. she is also disappointed if you don't put out.

In the Sharin no Kuni Fandisc, Ari Houzuki said:

The relationship between a man and a woman is about a hole and a rod. Those who insist upon describing this as “love” will succumb to their own depravity.

I really, REALLY hope I’m not the only one who doesn’t think that way.

But that, I guess, is another story for another day~

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But the thing is, what they think has no bearing on what I think. Nor should it, for me or for anyone else.

yes it does because you like Japanese games

japan isn't forcing its views on you, you are going to it, but you are also complaining about something their culture values in the H scene. I'm with you man, I don't like cliche personality melting H scenes either, but I recognize Japan finds it erotic. they have a weird form of eroticism just like they have a weird "cute" art style.

You seem to have this idea that VNs exist for sex scenes and sex scenes alone...

no I am not a nuki man

I'm saying sex is essential in an adult novel. you can't get around that, it's gotta be in there somewhere and regrettably a lot of VNs just throw the scenes in there with little effort, full of horrible cliches and moaning and degradation etc.

H scenes don't have to be what they are. I gave an example in Ever17 where there was sex, but no H scene. And it was great. Japan does sexual tension a lot better than the sex itself, and Hollywood has also figured out teasing is generally more titillating than the actual bang. what you show, how you show it, and how you set it up and resolve it are all important.

can I get a vote of how many times I've read "fill my womb with your seed" and got annoyed? dudes don't flood the womb with anything. ever, not even if they're packing a firehose in their pants. its a clumsy euphemism for "I want your cock" but comes across as really stupid and uninformed, and it's in a ton of VNs.

I really, REALLY hope I’m not the only one who doesn’t think that way.

a lot of people don't, but it's the wrong way to think of things

sex != love. sex is also not greater or lesser than love. what it is is the utmost level of intimacy, so depending on the girl's personality, sex might be as routine as enjoying a fresh dinner or as sacred as letting someone know her deepest, darkest secret.

dates are different, when modern people go on dates, there is an anticipation of sex from one or both parties. that's the "point" of a date, to size up if someone is worth setting with long term. why else is a date usually the penultimate event in a dating sim to the confession and banging?

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dates are different, when modern people go on dates, there is an anticipation of sex from one or both parties. that's the "point" of a date, to size up if someone is worth setting with long term. why else is a date usually the penultimate event in a dating sim to the confession and banging?

I am feeling so unmodern now because of what you said there. DX

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I think I agree with Harry and Clephas somewhat. It's the obligatory h-scene.

Actually I wanted to make a different point than the one that harry harked on with the sentence he quoted but nm.

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Yeah, I think so, too. That's why I started out calling them "obligate." It's interesting, tho, to see some other viewpoints. The fact that there has been so many responses shows that this is a big part of the Visual Novel experience.

I feel like these scenes are included in VNs for the same reason they're included in most AAA movies: the obligate sex-appeal to be used for advertising.

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PS Aaeru: WHY is your member title "worthless"!!?

lol No special reason.

I don't really agree when people tell me to be more egotistic, have one thing and then just run with it and defend it no-matter-the-costs. That's the MAN's way of doing it! (apparently).

I don't want to do that at all, it feels so out-of-character for me.

All I know is that if people have better ideas they should destroy mine. Slaughter mine. In the end it's the ideas that win. Whoever has the best idea we use those ideas. Not the ego. and not personal pride.

This is the anti-thesis of the current community: It's humility.

Im honestly not interested in using a bad idea if a better idea exists out there. That will be really screwed up. I don't have a monopoly on truth. I want people to teach me things. I want people to lead me. Most people in the previous community are incapable of that. That's why I think they are so disgusting, as men.

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lol No special reason.

I don't really agree when people tell me to be more egotistic, have one thing and then just run with it and defend it no-matter-the-costs. That's the MAN's way of doing it! (apparently).

I don't want to do that at all, it feels so out-of-character for me.

All I know is that if people have better ideas they should destroy mine. Slaughter mine. In the end it's the ideas that win. Whoever has the best idea we use those ideas. Not the ego. and not personal pride.

This is the anti-thesis of the current community: It's humility.

Im honestly not interested in using a bad idea if a better idea exists out there. That will be really screwed up. I don't have a monopoly on truth. I want people to teach me things. I want people to lead me. Most people in the previous community are incapable of that. That's why I think they are so disgusting, as men.

Aaeru,

I think this post should be put on the FAQ page. It's really direct, well written, and not fully elaborated on in the site content. Well done.

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yes it does because you like Japanese games

japan isn't forcing its views on you, you are going to it, but you are also complaining about something their culture values in the H scene. I'm with you man, I don't like cliche personality melting H scenes either, but I recognize Japan finds it erotic. they have a weird form of eroticism just like they have a weird "cute" art style.

No it doesn’t, because the way we see a VN may be totally different to how they see it. VNs nowadays are good stories with sex scenes. I recognise to some VNs won’t be the same if you removed either component, but I’m the sorta person who feels that the story would be EVEN better if you removed the sex scenes. Simple case of wanting all of the good and none of the bad, if you will.

I'm saying sex is essential in an adult novel. you can't get around that, it's gotta be in there somewhere
No it doesn’t, and the sooner devs realise they can make a non-sexual VN and still have it sell like hotcakes the better. I completely understand why you find that Ever17 scene hot, and I’m not saying that I’d impose a BLANKET ban on sex/H scenes even if you gave me the power to do so. However, I do think that if devs actually tried putting more effort into the story than attempting to sell it solely via those silly porn cliches as you mentioned, we’d get a far better quality of work.

a lot of people don't, but it's the wrong way to think of things

sex != love. sex is also not greater or lesser than love. what it is is the utmost level of intimacy, so depending on the girl's personality, sex might be as routine as enjoying a fresh dinner or as sacred as letting someone know her deepest, darkest secret.

dates are different, when modern people go on dates, there is an anticipation of sex from one or both parties. that's the "point" of a date, to size up if someone is worth setting with long term. why else is a date usually the penultimate event in a dating sim to the confession and banging?

You first say first that a lot of people view the relationship between a man and a woman as MORE than simply a hole and a rod; then say later down that the whole point of a date is sex alone? I’m afraid I don’t understand.

Dates are a two-way thing. If both parties get together with sex in their minds, sex will almost certainly ensue, that’s true. I think that kinda template applies to the datesim games. Hence I’d agree that a datesim without H-content would indeed be a bit odd.

But the subject on discussion, however, is not datesims but VNs. And VNs are more than datesims (well, at least the good ones are). Ergo, (said) VNs are more than JUST about sex.

Applying these principles to IRL, what I’m trying to say is: whatever happened to being “just friends”?? And no, I don’t mean that in the too-scared-to-touch-you-so-am-doomed-to-die-a-virgin sorta way. But really, correct me if I’m wrong obviously, but it’s almost as if you’re implying that since women and men who spend time together will eventually end up having sex, those who place a high value on monogamy should isolate themselves from the opposite gender in case they succumb to certain, erm, temptations...

Death sentence if there ever was one!! >.<

Oh and PS:

Yeah, I think so, too. That's why I started out calling them "obligate." It's interesting, tho, to see some other viewpoints. The fact that there has been so many responses shows that this is a big part of the Visual Novel experience.

I feel like these scenes are included in VNs for the same reason they're included in most AAA movies: the obligate sex-appeal to be used for advertising.

Do I then have your permission to cite that as Prof. Tay (2012)? :P
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@Aaeru: First off, my apologies for misunderstanding your earlier post. It was indeed an easy sentence to misconstrue when taken outta context ^^;

That being said...

lol No special reason.

I don't really agree when people tell me to be more egotistic, have one thing and then just run with it and defend it no-matter-the-costs. That's the MAN's way of doing it! (apparently).

I don't want to do that at all, it feels so out-of-character for me.

All I know is that if people have better ideas they should destroy mine. Slaughter mine. In the end it's the ideas that win. Whoever has the best idea we use those ideas. Not the ego. and not personal pride.

This is the anti-thesis of the current community: It's humility.

Im honestly not interested in using a bad idea if a better idea exists out there. That will be really screwed up. I don't have a monopoly on truth. I want people to teach me things. I want people to lead me. Most people in the previous community are incapable of that. That's why I think they are so disgusting, as men.

This obviously is something that's personal to everyone and hence prolly not up for debate but I'm just gonna give my 2 cents.

To your reply: yes and yes, but the concepts of "humility" and "worthlessness" are two very different things.

(Small exception of just NO to the concept of whatever prescribed gender stereotypes that you seem to be thinking of but I think I've made this point before...)

Anyways, humility's obviously a good thing imo, but if you're gonna discredit something you put your heart and soul into making with that so-called humility, that's just, well, not on.

Because if you first run around and trumpet the awesomeness of VNs...

....then pour yourself into making a site dedicated to SPREADING said awesomeness...

....and then turn around and say that you are WORTHLESS...

....isn't it sorta like you might as well have said that your original aim was WORTHLESS and that any effort towards it was WORTHLESS in the end!

tl;dr: Do what you want, but if you are going to imply that VNs DON'T deserve to be spread around the world, then I am going to have to take issue with that viewpoint! That is all~

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