Crayten Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 I hate it when PR spokespeople try to sidestep and give elusive answers to important questions like that. Half-truths or hints don't make people happy, it just pisses them off after a certain point. A decent chunk of people seem to only be interested in a full 18+ release, or at least if Sekai or someone else provides a patch that'll restore the 18+ content, so I don't know why they're pussyfooting around it. Exactly my thoughts. Why not just saying "Yes, there will be an 18+ Release via Patch" or "No, we dont have the rights/interest whatever for an 18+ Version". But everything is better than this teasing that they keep going for allmost 3 months now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erogamer Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Sounds like something an amateurish group would do if you ask me. So far, I have not been impressed with this company/group. I would rather buy a game from Mangagamer or Jast than Sekai Project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenophilious Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Sounds like something an amateurish group would do if you ask me. So far, I have not been impressed with this company/group. I would rather buy a game from Mangagamer or Jast than Sekai Project. To be fair, they kinda are an amateur group. They've only made 1 OELVN and released a handful of translated games on Steam, the majority of which had already been decently translated. Exactly my thoughts. Why not just saying "Yes, there will be an 18+ Release via Patch" or "No, we dont have the rights/interest whatever for an 18+ Version". But everything is better than this teasing that they keep going for allmost 3 months now. Really. You'd think that most businesses would've learned something after Microsoft created a PR shitstorm after hinting about upcoming Xbox One features, buuuuut I guess not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Poltroon Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 It seems they're kinda tired of running around in circles too. Let's hope they clear things up once and for all: http://sekaiproject.tumblr.com/post/98664053291/regarding-grisaia-will-there-be-statement-in-the-near Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenophilious Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 It seems they're kinda tired of running around in circles too. Let's hope they clear things up once and for all: http://sekaiproject.tumblr.com/post/98664053291/regarding-grisaia-will-there-be-statement-in-the-near Oh my God. Pushing announcements further and further ahead won't please people. If they don't address it in their teased statement there'll be hell to pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklord Rooke Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Things probably aren't finalised yet. Maybe they're still negotiating finer details with STEAM? They shouldn't have said anything in the first place, and they definitely shouldn't say any more until everything is certain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decay Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 There's nothing to negotiate with Steam. They're fine with having off-site 18+ versions of games and they actually have no say in the matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crayten Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 It seems they're kinda tired of running around in circles too. Let's hope they clear things up once and for all: http://sekaiproject.tumblr.com/post/98664053291/regarding-grisaia-will-there-be-statement-in-the-near Well at least we have a little bit of hope. The demand for an 18+ Version seem to be in high numbers otherwise the wouldnt even bother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatsujin Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Well at least we have a little bit of hope. The demand for an 18+ Version seem to be in high numbers otherwise the wouldnt even bother.18+ is the actual complete version. All ages is a joke. 17+ is passable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freestyle80 Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 well hopeffuly they release the original version orelse prolly many people(including me) would refrain from buying;c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 18+ is the actual complete version. All ages is a joke. 17+ is passable. What exactly is the difference between an 18+ and a 17+ version? Also the console version they're porting has additional scenes compared with the original PC version, so it's hard to affirm one is more complete than the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decay Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 What exactly is the difference between an 18+ and a 17+ version? One has hardcore pornography, the other just has lots of ecchi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenophilious Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 One has hardcore pornography, the other just has lots of ecchi. Pretty much this. All-ages would have all the sexual jokes and references and swearing taken out, while 17+ would have everything but the h-scenes. Basically an M-rated video game. Definitely wouldn't be interested in an all-ages version. Reading Sachi saying "The rain in Spain falls mainly on my lady jane. #wet" cracked me up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crayten Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Pretty much this. All-ages would have all the sexual jokes and references and swearing taken out, while 17+ would have everything but the h-scenes. Basically an M-rated video game. Definitely wouldn't be interested in an all-ages version. Reading Sachi saying "The rain in Spain falls mainly on my lady jane. #wet" cracked me up. Oh boy Sachi ... and yes same for me : 18+ or no buy. Erogamer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beato Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 The version Sekai Project is going to publish is 17+ not all-ages in the sense people in his thread is implying. Koestl has said that almost all mature jokes are still in. Karakkan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karakkan Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Pretty much this. All-ages would have all the sexual jokes and references and swearing taken out, while 17+ would have everything but the h-scenes. Basically an M-rated video game. Definitely wouldn't be interested in an all-ages version. Reading Sachi saying "The rain in Spain falls mainly on my lady jane. #wet" cracked me up. ...Except we've already seen images from the Vita-version of GnK, which had a CG of Sachi doing the back-washing with her boobs. So you're kind of really, really wrong there. Might want to try a bit of fact-checking before you go off and make assumptions like they're the truth. EDIT: Yeah, totally all-ages and not sexual at all. - Actually NSFW, by the by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenophilious Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 ...Except we've already seen images from the Vita-version of GnK, which had a CG of Sachi doing the back-washing with her boobs. So you're kind of really, really wrong there. Might want to try a bit of fact-checking before you go off and make assumptions like they're the truth. EDIT: Yeah, totally all-ages and not sexual at all. - Actually NSFW, by the by. I never said it was gonna be all-ages. It's been stated that it's going to be 17+ several times now; I was just explaining what the differences between all-ages, 17+, and 18+ would be. Also, on the article you linked I couldn't find any direct mention of that particular CG being in the Steam or Vita versions. You don't need to go all butthurt fact-checker on me, I never claimed to know everything that would or would not be included in the release. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Poltroon Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I never said it was gonna be all-ages. It's been stated that it's going to be 17+ several times now; I was just explaining what the differences between all-ages, 17+, and 18+ would be. Also, on the article you linked I couldn't find any direct mention of that particular CG being in the Steam or Vita versions. You don't need to go all butthurt fact-checker on me, I never claimed to know everything that would or would not be included in the release. Does that mean you can read Japanese? Because I'll have to admit, I linked that as evidence to the 17+ version still being Grisaia, with all it's mature jokes, but other than the title mentioning Vita, and the crappy translation from Google, which seems to allege that it is in fact part of the Vita version, I have no proof of this. I assume he was rather annoyed at all the comments on this thread about how if it isn't 18+ then they aren't going to get it (no h-scene 0/10 will not buy). He was also trying to clear up this general idea in the comments that it would be an all ages version, which it definitely won't, unless the guys at Sekai are mongoloids who can't say get anything right. 1 person for example, seems to have misinterpreted your post, so you're not as crystal clear as you had thought. Koestl has said that almost all mature jokes are still in. Source? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenophilious Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Does that mean you can read Japanese? Because I'll have to admit, I linked that as evidence to the 17+ version still being Grisaia, with all it's mature jokes, but other than the title mentioning Vita, and the crappy translation from Google, which seems to allege that it is in fact part of the Vita version, I have no proof of this. I assume he was rather annoyed at all the comments on this thread about how if it isn't 18+ then they aren't going to get it (no h-scene 0/10 will not buy). He was also trying to clear up this general idea in the comments that it would be an all ages version, which it definitely won't, unless the guys at Sekai are mongoloids who can't say get anything right. 1 person for example, seems to have misinterpreted your post, so you're not as crystal clear as you had thought. No, I don't claim to be able to read Japanese, and had to rely on Google's crappy translation, like you did. Some of the CGs and art included in the page, however, aren't actually in the original version of Kajitsu, or even the Vita version, at least that I could tell using reverse image searching. Until Sekai confirms that content like Sachi's topless boob massage will be in it (which is pretty unlikely, considering that it's 17+ and that would be pushing the limits), I don't think it's safe to assume that it will be. As for Karakkan's comment, there was no reason to be as rude as he was. I was expressing my opinion, which I have every right to do, both as a human being and as a user on Fuwa. I'll admit that my comment was misleading, but I in no way said that Sekai's version would be all-ages, only that it'd have to be at least 17+ for me to be interested in it. I'd prefer that Sekai release an 18+ patch outside of Steam, or that a group of users unaffiliated with Sekai do the same, but I'm still interested in a 17+ version, only less so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flutterz Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 You guys shouldn't forget that VNs are rarely classified as "17+", it's normally either "all-ages" if there are no explicit (basically female nipples and/or genitalia shown) images or "18+" if there are explicit images, regardless of whatever other content there might be. That Sachi pic is still all-ages, swearing is still all-ages, talking about sex is all-ages, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beato Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Source? http://www.reddit.com/r/visualnovels/comments/29sbwy/grisaia_no_kajitsu_announced_for_official_release/ Also has statements from Herkz who was one of the editors saying the same thing. And Zenophilious the latter images on that page (those without text) are promotional material and pictures of the tokuten so no they're not in any of the games. But that article is about the Vita version and the screenshots are from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenophilious Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 You guys shouldn't forget that VNs are rarely classified as "17+", it's normally either "all-ages" if there are no explicit (basically female nipples and/or genitalia shown) images or "18+" if there are explicit images, regardless of whatever other content there might be. That Sachi pic is still all-ages, swearing is still all-ages, talking about sex is all-ages, etc. Well...that's rather misleading. Why do they even use the terms 17+ and all-ages? They're contradictory if they're intended to mean the same thing >.> Someone on reddit claimed that the Vita version cut out stuff that crossed the "line". Direct quote from this comment: "I haven't played the PC original, but I know that in the Vita version it wasn't just strictly the major "H-scenes" that were cut -- at least one regular comedy scene that crossed the line too far was cut also (i.e. I never saw that Sachi/Michiru "hole" beach scene)." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flutterz Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Well...that's rather misleading. Why do they even use the terms 17+ and all-ages? They're contradictory if they're intended to mean the same thing >.> Someone on reddit claimed that the Vita version cut out stuff that crossed the "line". Direct quote from this comment: "I haven't played the PC original, but I know that in the Vita version it wasn't just strictly the major "H-scenes" that were cut -- at least one regular comedy scene that crossed the line too far was cut also (i.e. I never saw that Sachi/Michiru "hole" beach scene)." I guess it could be a useful thing to use to imply that it's not porn but you wouldn't want a 10-year-old to play it but I haven't seen it used before, and a label isn't very useful if you're the only one using it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenophilious Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I guess it could be a useful thing to use to imply that it's not porn but you wouldn't want a 10-year-old to play it but I haven't seen it used before, and a label isn't very useful if you're the only one using it. I think that a clear rating system needs to be applied to VNs instead of just saying it's "all-ages", because to most gamers stuff like that would either be T or M, or the PEGI equivalents. All-ages has the connotation of being made for kids, so that's why I got a little confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flutterz Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I think that a clear rating system needs to be applied to VNs instead of just saying it's "all-ages", because to most gamers stuff like that would either be T or M, or the PEGI equivalents. All-ages has the connotation of being made for kids, so that's why I got a little confused. To be fair VNDB does use things other than all-ages and 18+, but a lot of other places (including Fuwanovel I think) don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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