Suzu Fanatic Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Frontwing sounds like the most miserable partner to work with, somehow even worse than Demonbane-era Nitro+. Mmm, I'm curious to see how Himawari localization will unfold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyrt Posted August 29, 2015 Author Share Posted August 29, 2015 Grisaia no Kajitsu unrated is now available to buy on denpasoft. Kawasumi 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kawasumi Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Grisaia no Kajitsu unrated is now available to buy on denpasoft. Yes! I can finally make them take my money! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zakamutt Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Grisaia no Kajitsu unrated is now available to buy on denpasoft. Then..... update the OP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyrt Posted August 30, 2015 Author Share Posted August 30, 2015 OP updated for release kept some of it until a bit more information is given to make it less relevant. I also mentioned sacrament sheep and atom grrrl which I failed to mention that are 18+ yuri games picked up by sekai project and denpasoft. Suzu Fanatic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzu Fanatic Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 The world needs more yuri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanahtlig Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Ha, there's a $10 discount off the unrated version of Grisaia 3 days after release. $20 off the Steam version. I couldn't decide which version to get (the one I want or the cheaper one), so I ended up not getting either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzu Fanatic Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 blows dust off the thread Has anyone heard anything about G-Senjou? Seems to have completely dropped off the radar~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxel Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 I love the difference between SP/Denpa and MG. From MG side we're getting steady updates on their website, we know who works on what, and we even get comments on twitter. From SP/Denpa side we're getting "pretty much" steady updates about Grisaia/Clannad, and then there's a black hole with all other VNs inside, of which all we know that there's titles and they'll be released in english. We haven't got any news regarding G-Senjou/Root Double/Chronoclock/Tenshin Ranman since AExpo/Otakon... I started doing Excel tables(of titles I'm interested in) on 9 Aug, and since then didn't need to update any of Sekai titles, yay less work to do. I hope my estimated dates for SP titles won't move to 2017/18 O_O Is it so freaking hard to mention some names working behind the projects or give people steady monthly updates in numbers? PS. That's not how you should treat community :/ akaritan and Suzu Fanatic 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzu Fanatic Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 Hopefully just growing pains of a new company. Still, a little more transparency would definitely go a long ways. AaronIsCrunchy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronIsCrunchy Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 What do the red and green colourations on your table mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFantasm Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 What do the red and green colourations on your table mean?Green I assume means it's been getting updates on progress, while red means nothing has been said about them. If this continues, I wouldn't be surprised if they end up becoming another JAST Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronIsCrunchy Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 Green I assume means it's been getting updates on progress, while red means nothing has been said about them. If this continues, I wouldn't be surprised if they end up becoming another JAST Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deep Blue Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 I love the difference between SP/Denpa and MG. From MG side we're getting steady updates on their website, we know who works on what, and we even get comments on twitter. From SP/Denpa side we're getting "pretty much" steady updates about Grisaia/Clannad, and then there's a black hole with all other VNs inside, of which all we know that there's titles and they'll be released in english. We haven't got any news regarding G-Senjou/Root Double/Chronoclock/Tenshin Ranman since AExpo/Otakon... I started doing Excel tables(of titles I'm interested in) on 9 Aug, and since then didn't need to update any of Sekai titles, yay less work to do. I hope my estimated dates for SP titles won't move to 2017/18 O_O Is it so freaking hard to mention some names working behind the projects or give people steady monthly updates in numbers? PS. That's not how you should treat community :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decay Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 To be fair, they had regular updates on Kajitsu's 18+ version via their forums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxel Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 To be fair, they had regular updates on Kajitsu's 18+ version via their forums. Yeah... But it's not their only title? I won't even say a word how bad Unrated version was advertised... Advertisement very often plays huge role in sales. They didn't even said a word about this on SP twitter(WTH?) Actually updates from dovac were pretty good, and occured quite often. But it's only for Grisaia, the rest is left in Black Hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanahtlig Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 I love the difference between SP/Denpa and MG. From MG side we're getting steady updates on their website, we know who works on what, and we even get comments on twitter. From SP/Denpa side we're getting "pretty much" steady updates about Grisaia/Clannad, and then there's a black hole with all other VNs inside, of which all we know that there's titles and they'll be released in english. We haven't got any news regarding G-Senjou/Root Double/Chronoclock/Tenshin Ranman since AExpo/Otakon... I started doing Excel tables(of titles I'm interested in) on 9 Aug, and since then didn't need to update any of Sekai titles, yay less work to do. I hope my estimated dates for SP titles won't move to 2017/18 O_O Is it so freaking hard to mention some names working behind the projects or give people steady monthly updates in numbers? PS. That's not how you should treat community :/ Why is there an expectation of regular updates to begin with? What does it matter to you? Games will be done when they're done. The updates are just marketing to generate hype. I think people here are mixing up a need for transparency on critical topics with "I want to be kept in the loop because!". Is it important that information on censorship be conveyed to crowdfunding backers in a timely fashion? Yes! Is it important that you know what % of the translation is done on every single project? No! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzu Fanatic Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 For sake of argument, let's say I look at progress reports and gauge the rate something is being worked on. I can then make a rough guess at when it can be expected to release. (barring some unforeseen stall or spurt) And then plan out when to have extra cash set aside. There is nothing trivial about progress reports, they are used both in commerce and business all the time to monitor and evaluate trends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenophilious Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 People get antsy if they don't hear anything. I mean, sure, 0-100% completion without updates has been done before, and not just with VNs, it's just that if you do that, some people will lose interest because they have no idea how it's going, and pessimism spreads quite easily. From a marketing standpoint, that is just pathetic. You're supposed to get people excited about a product, and barely mentioning anything about it until it's out is a pretty good way to fail at marketing. Just because you have some assured sales doesn't mean that there is no reason to even try to market your product a little. Suzu Fanatic, XReaper and Silvz 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanahtlig Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 For sake of argument, let's say I look at progress reports and gauge the rate something is being worked on. I can then make a rough guess at when it can be expected to release. (barring some unforeseen stall or spurt) And then plan out when to have extra cash set aside. That's what release dates are for. People get antsy if they don't hear anything. I mean, sure, 0-100% completion without updates has been done before, and not just with VNs, it's just that if you do that, some people will lose interest because they have no idea how it's going, and pessimism spreads quite easily. From a marketing standpoint, that is just pathetic. You're supposed to get people excited about a product, and barely mentioning anything about it until it's out is a pretty good way to fail at marketing. Just because you have some assured sales doesn't mean that there is no reason to even try to market your product a little. A game can be marketed without giving weekly or monthly progress updates. A marketing campaign beginning 3 months before release should generally be sufficient. And by that I mean actual marketing--not just saying the game is almost done. I'm not sure why people are demanding a glass container to watch water boil. You're not even the ones doing the cooking! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxel Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 I'm not sure why people are demanding a glass container to watch water boil. You're not even the ones doing the cooking! I like to watch people cook, and then possibly eat the dish. Anyway it'll be hard to imagine all Fan TL projects without progress updates. That's what release dates are for. Did we get any release dates eiter? I don't think so. Just Clannad, please don't mention G-Senjou. People like to see progress/numbers, and Visual Novels are ideal things for this, since it's just Translation/Editing/QC/Enigine things, they're not video games, so progress is way easier to keep up. And it's just localising, not exactly creating something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayashi Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Grisaia finally out Xd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzu Fanatic Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 I'm not sure why people are demanding a glass container to watch water boil. You're not even the ones doing the cooking! Access to information allows for a more stable understanding of a situation, and better planning - regardless of the subject. Not "being the cook" is irrelevant, it gives insight on the cooks behaviour, how skilled they are, and if they have any habits they fall into on a consistant basis. "can I trust this cook?" With SP being the core example in this case, it can give consumers a idea how SP operates as a business. A company that can't keep a firm handle on its own internal timetables and deadlines will rarely have the respect of a consumer (cough Jast cough). Another thing to consider, is that a consumer is also a potential investor. Who in their right mind would want to invest in a company that cannot provide confident, and regular reports on the level of productivity going on with each project under its umbrella? XReaper, Maxel and Silvz 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanahtlig Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Another thing to consider, is that a consumer is also a potential investor. Who in their right mind would want to invest in a company that cannot provide confident, and regular reports on the level of productivity going on with each project under its umbrella? JAST and MangaGamer sell finished products. There's no investment going on there. Crowdfunding is a different matter. I like to watch people cook, and then possibly eat the dish. Anyway it'll be hard to imagine all Fan TL projects without progress updates. Fan translation projects need updates because they're so unreliable. Also, the updates and resulting buzz serve as motivation for the translators to keep working. Fan translation is governed by a completely different set of rules adapted for different circumstances. Access to information allows for a more stable understanding of a situation, and better planning - regardless of the subject. Not "being the cook" is irrelevant, it gives insight on the cooks behaviour, how skilled they are, and if they have any habits they fall into on a consistant basis. "can I trust this cook?" You don't need that information, and access to that information has a cost. It distracts from the real work of actually producing product. Would you hound an author while they're writing a book? Then why hound a company while they're translating a game? I only apply pressure to a company when I see a need to do so. JAST's marketing of its RPGs worries me. Their initial statements regarding Shiny Days were concerning. Sekai Project's transparency regarding adult content in its releases leaves much to be desired. Pestering companies in an unfocused manner is just harassment. They have better things to do than respond to every single person's concerns regardless of how important they are! Darklord Rooke 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decay Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 I pretty much agree with Sanah on this. Exact project status is a luxury that normal customers do not need to know, nor are they entitled to that information. It's cool that MangaGamer does it, but if Sekai Project doesn't think it's worth their while, then, well, oh well. They operate like almost every single other video game developer/publisher in the world. It's unreasonable to expect more. Well, what IS reasonable, like Sanah says, is to expect more transparency when it comes to the 18+ stuff. Outside of that, I don't think anyone has a right to know SP's inner workings. Darklord Rooke and Mr Poltroon 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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