Abyssal Monkey Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Pointless counter argument to the jif fans. If you call it a jif, then whats left for the actual JIF File Extension? /thread : case closed. Yeah Way 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeah Way Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 "Get" is one of the most common words out there. It's also 100% Germanic in origin, the opposite of what could be described as a loanword. The idea of "G" having 2 pronunciations is actually a "loan" from Romance languages. Anyway, when it comes to English, a rule without exceptions is in itself exceptional. "Gif" just looks like /'gɪf/ to me. Both pronunciations are 100% valid. The guy who made .Gifs isn't a linguist; and, even if he were, that doesn't mean his pronunciation should be given preferrence. 'Authorities' rarely ever prevent the masses from going with what they feel sounds right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoom909 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Because it's an acronym, and not a word, it doesn't matter how it's pronounced. You can simply say each letter individually. Judging from people I meet every day, a better use of their time would be learning to pronounce English words correctly, such as: pastoral comparable mischievous volatile respite amalgam and so forth... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred the Barber Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 The guy who made .Gifs isn't a linguist; and, even if he were, that doesn't mean his pronunciation should be given preferrence. 'Authorities' rarely ever prevent the masses from going with what they feel sounds right. I don't see how the scholarly credentials of a person who names something are relevant to their right to name it. Suppose your mother named you "Fred". She taught you how to pronounce it, and you adopted the same pronunciation. You told everybody else, "Hi, I'm Fred". And they said, "You mean Fraid?", pronouncing it differently. And you responsed, "No, my name is pronounced 'Fred', not 'Fraid'." And then one of them responded, "No, no, you see, I'm a linguist, and there's this great theory I believe in called linguistical relativism, and since I pronounce your name 'Fraid', and so did my buddy over there, and there happen to be more of us than there are of you pronouncing your name 'Fred', then I'm afraid we're perfectly correct and your name can actually be correctly pronounced 'Fraid'. On the up-side, we might put in the dictionary that the way you're saying it is an uncommon or archaic pronunciation, though; we haven't decided yet. Anyway, Fraid, nice to meet you." This situation is basically identical. Just so we're clear, I have zero commitment to this argument, and am only posting on this thread because I find this entertaining. While I do happen to believe what I'm saying (although I am definitely exaggerating my arguments), I don't really care about the outcome or whether anybody else agrees, and I certainly don't care how anybody pronounces GIF, even if they're wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeah Way Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 I don't see how the scholarly credentials of a person who names something are relevant to their right to name it. Suppose your mother named you "Fred". She taught you how to pronounce it, and you adopted the same pronunciation. You told everybody else, "Hi, I'm Fred". And they said, "You mean Fraid?", pronouncing it differently. And you responsed, "No, my name is pronounced 'Fred', not 'Fraid'." And then one of them responded, "No, no, you see, I'm a linguist, and there's this great theory I believe in called linguistical relativism, and since I pronounce your name 'Fraid', and so did my buddy over there, and there happen to be more of us than there are of you pronouncing your name 'Fred', then I'm afraid we're perfectly correct and your name can actually be correctly pronounced 'Fraid'. On the up-side, we might put in the dictionary that the way you're saying it is an uncommon or archaic pronunciation, though; we haven't decided yet. Anyway, Fraid, nice to meet you." This situation is basically identical. Just so we're clear, I have zero commitment to this argument, and am only posting on this thread because I find this entertaining. While I do happen to believe what I'm saying (although I am definitely exaggerating my arguments), I don't really care about the outcome or whether anybody else agrees, and I certainly don't care how anybody pronounces GIF, even if they're wrong. Think of it this way. Fred came to English via French originally from very old German. When Frédéric, likely pronounced more French-like at first, became Frederick, there was probably a "French R"crowd and an "English R" crowd. You've named your son Frédéric, and want his name to be pronounced with a French "R". You feel you have the right to correct people when they don't, but they just ignore you and call him Fred. If Fred himself doesn't care especially, you'll be the only one bothered calling him Frédéric. Since .GIFs can't speak for themselves, we just ignore the naggy mother and go with whichever comes naturally to us. It really doesn't matter what the creator's preferred pronunciation is. If "correct pronunciation" actually held any sway in English, we'd all be talking very differently from how we do today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stray Cat Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 I had to do it: Darklord Rooke, Kosakyun, Kenshin_sama and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arakura Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Think of it this way. Fred came to English via French originally from very old German. When Frédéric, likely pronounced more French-like at first, became Frederick, there was probably a "French R"crowd and an "English R" crowd. You've named your son Frédéric, and want his name to be pronounced with a French "R". You feel you have the right to correct people when they don't, but they just ignore you and call him Fred. If Fred himself doesn't care especially, you'll be the only one bothered calling him Frédéric. Since .GIFs can't speak for themselves, we just ignore the naggy mother and go with whichever comes naturally to us. It really doesn't matter what the creator's preferred pronunciation is. If "correct pronunciation" actually held any sway in English, we'd all be talking very differently from how we do today. No I'm pretty sure you're an asshole for mispronouncing his name on purpose regardless of whether the mother/creator bothers to nag you. Likewise, you can drop useless facts about where sounds come from, but if you don't call him his name you're still just being an asshole. The file extension was created by a guy who gave it a name, right? So what's wrong with you that you can't call it by that name? Does it happen to be offensive to you? Or is it so mind-blowingly counterintuitive that you can't remember it? Or maybe-and this might just be it-people are being prissy assholes. Just maybe. I mean, who knows... (A bit late too the party lol) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
douggle Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 According to the person who created the format its a hard G sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenophilious Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
douggle Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 There wouldn't be a thread if people didn't care dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arakura Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Get rekt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklord Rooke Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 So what's wrong with you that you can't call it by that name? Because regarding language use he doesn't know what he's talking about. He's suggesting we break the rules to make him happy, people think that's a ridiculous idea, and thus he's ignored. If that makes me an arsehole, c'est la vie. But it's a hard G, and always will be. Eclipsed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nohman Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 There is something beautiful about people arguing about this. Stray Cat 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenophilious Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 I was actually talking about the creator saying that it can only be pronounced one way. I honestly don't know why he gives a rat's ass. Not like he's being negatively impacted by people using a hard G (and yes, he actually says that JIF is the correct pronunciation, not the other way around). I use a hard G pronunciation because I think that JIF sounds stupid, but I don't go around correcting people when they say JIF, mostly because I don't care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arakura Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 First of all, it's not your place to determine whether it matters or not to him. Secondly, it's a blanket statement about named because apparently a certain quoted user doesn't feel the need to call people correctly, which is crap. Idk what rooke is smoking but it's completely okay to name something you created and people should honor that name by actually using it. Not butcher it be it in written or spoken form. It's not like it's hard to do. My god people are prissy. It's very disappointing. So yes, you are an asshole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deep Blue Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 There is something beautiful about people arguing about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenophilious Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 First of all, it's not your place to determine whether it matters or not to him. Secondly, it's a blanket statement about named because apparently a certain quoted user doesn't feel the need to call people correctly, which is crap. Idk what rooke is smoking but it's completely okay to name something you created and people should honor that name by actually using it. Not butcher it be it in written or spoken form. It's not like it's hard to do. My god people are prissy. It's very disappointing. So yes, you are an asshole. Ummm...can you calm down and be a bit more respectful? It's just pronouncing a word differently, not people kicking babies and puppies for fun. You're not an "asshole" because you pronounce something differently. If that was true, then 2/3 of all Americans are assholes, simply because they didn't grow up in the same place, as well as many citizens of many other countries, considering that accents affect how you pronounce words. You're making a mountain out of a molehill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eclipsed Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 dat arakura tantrum ~~ GGGGGGif all the way bby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklord Rooke Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Idk what rooke is smoking but it's completely okay to name something you created and people should honor that name by actually using it. Not butcher it be it in written or spoken form. It's not like it's hard to do. My god people are prissy. It's very disappointing. So yes, you are an asshole. Firstly - Yes it is okay to name something. Secondly - It is also okay to ignore him, which is what everybody is doing. Thirdly - Conforming to his method of pronunciation is butchering the rules of the English language, so either way something gets butchered. It's a matter of priorities. Fourthly - Yes, I'm an arsehole and I also don't care. Deal with it. Eclipsed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decay Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 First of all, it's not your place to determine whether it matters or not to him. Secondly, it's a blanket statement about named because apparently a certain quoted user doesn't feel the need to call people correctly, which is crap. Idk what rooke is smoking but it's completely okay to name something you created and people should honor that name by actually using it. Not butcher it be it in written or spoken form. It's not like it's hard to do. My god people are prissy. It's very disappointing. So yes, you are an asshole. Eclipsed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atorq Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 No I'm pretty sure you're an asshole for mispronouncing his name on purpose regardless of whether the mother/creator bothers to nag you. By that definition pretty much everyone who doesn't speak Swedish and tries to pronounce my name is an asshole. Only terrible people say jif, but they will all burn in hell so don't worry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred the Barber Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Well, intention matters here - unintentionally mispronouncing a name or word due to ignorance, accent, inability to produce certain phonemes, religious preference, etc., is obviously not grounds for being called an asshole. On the other hand, if you repeatedly, intentionally mispronounce my name, despite my correcting you otherwise, I'm probably going to think you're an asshole. Soft g. Because I'm not an asshole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklord Rooke Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 On the other hand, if you repeatedly, intentionally mispronounce my name, despite my correcting you otherwise, I'm probably going to think you're an asshole. I feel like Ferdinand the Hair Stylist is trying to imply something here, impart an important message, but for the life of me I can't figure out what it could be... atorq, Eclipsed and Kosakyun 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred the Barber Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 And sometimes, I'll even know you're an asshole. Darklord Rooke and Kosakyun 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eclipsed Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 The only Jif you'll get from me is if you're actually spelled Jif. like the peanut butter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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