Deep Blue Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 it is reasonable to ask for it because all the games that they translating are crowdfunding ones, so in a sense without that people they wouldn't be translating anything in the first place..., the least they can do is to show some respect and at least 1 a month tell how the projects are doing..is not something so difficult to do, how much work can it take to say "X project has advanced 1%"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanahtlig Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 it is reasonable to ask for it because all the games that they translating are crowdfunding ones Expecting regular updates on crowdfunded projects is reasonable. Only 8 of their past and present projects are crowdfunded however. https://www.kickstarter.com/profile/sekaiproject/created I count 52 games on their VNDB page. Even if you subtract out the OELVNs, that's definitely still not "all". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deep Blue Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Expecting regular updates on crowdfunded projects is reasonable. Only 8 of their past and present projects are crowdfunded however. https://www.kickstarter.com/profile/sekaiproject/created I count 52 games on their VNDB page. Even if you subtract out the OELVNs, that's definitely still not "all". so why the lack of update of progress for all those 8 games (a really tiny part of that huge list) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decay Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 so why the lack of update of progress for all those 8 games (a really tiny part of that huge list)There are not 8 translation projects on that list, but 6 of them. One of them is complete, another is a VN that is still actively in development in Japan, the rest besides WAS actually do receive updates. WAS hasn't received one since the alpha went live back in may and that's a pretty confusing situation. sanahtlig 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanahtlig Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 I relayed Tay's complaint to JAST (voiced on this week's VNTS) regarding the disappearance of the project update page on JAST's new Tumblr blog. I figure when someone who endeavors to actively promote VNs is complaining that they're making his job harder, JAST might want to listen. Honestly I agree that the new page is a mess. They have some nice content there, but the interface is awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OriginalRen Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Why is there an expectation of regular updates to begin with? What does it matter to you? Games will be done when they're done. The updates are just marketing to generate hype. I think people here are mixing up a need for transparency on critical topics with "I want to be kept in the loop because!". Is it important that information on censorship be conveyed to crowdfunding backers in a timely fashion? Yes! Is it important that you know what % of the translation is done on every single project? No! This comment is the same thing as saying that people should ignore the fact that Anita Sarkeesian straight up lied in regards to her video series that people paid money for on Kickstarter. If you are paying money for these things, you damn well better believe I want updates for it. Edit: I noticed you made a post after this commenting on the crowdfunding. Never mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyrt Posted September 7, 2015 Author Share Posted September 7, 2015 G-Senjou no Maou is out of Final QA and should be releasing on steam soon...we'll probably know about the end result of whether G-Senjou gets an 18+ release via denpasoft soon. If nothing is said and it just releases then we can probably expect a few of their other titles to also be getting the non 18+ treatment. The h-scenes in at least one route of G-Senjou no Maou are actually relevant to the plot if I remember correctly. G-Senjou no Maou should also show us whether denpasoft bothers to attempt to get uncensored mosaics or not. It brings an interesting question to the forefront though in that if a bunch of games get released via denpasoft that are 18+ titles with an emphasis on h-scenes and they still censor the mosaics would people even buy them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterfuryZX Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 G-Senjou no Maou is out of Final QA and should be releasing on steam soon...we'll probably know about the end result of whether G-Senjou gets an 18+ release via denpasoft soon. If nothing is said and it just releases then we can probably expect a few of their other titles to also be getting the non 18+ treatment. The h-scenes in at least one route of G-Senjou no Maou are actually relevant to the plot if I remember correctly. Only the simulated rape, if you consider it an eroscene (wich is not). And... yes, Haru got pregnant but there's really no need to show the insemination in detail lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorp Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 All h-scenes in the game are relevent to develop an affection to characters (as actually they really lack of romantic lines along the story itself). I first completed game without h-scenes and was utterly disappointed in lack of romantic relationship development. That said, I did not believed in Haru's romance till the very end (as all h-scenes were cut out) and was only thinking she is just pretending to be so. So I disagree. It is not important to read the whole "slurps", but it is important the scene to believe in the romantic line, even if you fast-forward the scene it have some impact, instead of when it is completely absent and you just "wut? why?? you even never kissed, she was "disgusting girl" and now what the hell???". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklord Rooke Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Why is there an expectation of regular updates to begin with? What does it matter to you? Games will be done when they're done. The updates are just marketing to generate hype. I think people here are mixing up a need for transparency on critical topics with "I want to be kept in the loop because!". Is it important that information on censorship be conveyed to crowdfunding backers in a timely fashion? Yes! Is it important that you know what % of the translation is done on every single project? No! Percentage updates on translation titles are only a 'thing' in fan-TL circles. A fan-TL group puts out such a progress update so they get more kudos, people know that they haven't disappeared (which might encourage others to leap on the project,) and most importantly they get more kudos. For professional development it's not regularly done. You don't see percent completion in Light Novel translations, novel translations, game translations, or any form of professional game development, you just get an estimated time of release (if they have one) and actual meaningful updates (with words and explanations) if the project was a kickstarter. Does it even tell the consumer anything by itself? Do remember that JAST's projects tend to get stuck on '99%' for a year or so before they're released, and sometimes progress will go backwards if mistakes are found (which they prob won't tell you, and will just display as a halting number.) How long has Subahibi been at 100% translated? Maybe people wouldn't be so impatient if they weren't watching the damn numbers go round and round. I don't see much benefit in knowing the precise numbers, and I don't consider it a luxury, numbers without context are meaningless. I also don't consider it a hallmark of a professional studio. Fan translation projects need updates because they're so unreliable. Also, the updates and resulting buzz serve as motivation for the translators to keep working. Fan translation is governed by a completely different set of rules adapted for different circumstances. Pretty much this. At the end of the day, I believe it's used by fan-translators as a shout out to fans that they're still working on it and a plea for encouragement. I don't see the point in a professional studio. Chronopolis and SilverLi 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverLi Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 add was to that list with a release date from 5 months ago and still nothing and they dont comment on that project anymore either, I will never going to back a kickstarter campaign from SP again. Don't remind me of that. I supported that one... Luckily I get updates on my mail so I don't miss it if they ever release it. I am not supporting them again if I don't see some radical changes during 2016. I am waiting for the inevitable delay of Clannad too. Edit: Indeed Rooke. Good points. I don't care about the numbers. I care when they announce a release date and then push it forward without a single reason or information. I recall WAS was delayed because of some problem with the translation though. But give us that information earlier than 2 days before release. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oxczen Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 Any news on Grisaia no Meikyuu and Rakuen? Any at all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyrt Posted September 20, 2015 Author Share Posted September 20, 2015 I finally got around to adding the blight that is Sakura Swim Club to the front page list...so far no real news about anything else though; Denapsoft continues to be absolutely horrible about keeping people informed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenophilious Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 Any news on Grisaia no Meikyuu and Rakuen? Any at all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzu Fanatic Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 Well, if I allow myself even a remote amount of naive optimism - Koesti had started Tling it prior to the official localization. Unless he's helping with other projects, I like to imagine he's already working through it. I'll make a prophecy/guess and say next April. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenophilious Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 Well, if I allow myself even a remote amount of naive optimism - Koesti had started Tling it prior to the official localization. Unless he's helping with other projects, I like to imagine he's already working through it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decay Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 Supposedly the subsequent games use the same engine builds and whatever issues there were that held things up with Kajitsu won't be issues anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenophilious Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 Huh, I didn't actually know that. Still, though, I don't think it's a good idea to be that optimistic about the potential release date for Meikyuu. If anything, it's better to be pessimistic and end up being pleasantly surprised. I've only seen them post updates for their non-Denpasoft VNs, and frankly, the fact they they did this at all surprised me, so I wouldn't expect much communication about their Denpasoft work, since they won't even advertise for it. Hate to be That Guy, since I want to read Meikyuu as much as the next person, but it's better to be realistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxel Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 Yeah, Sekai didn't even advertire Grisaia Unrated on their twitter. Theyre like: Grisaia 18+? What is that?! Go buy Steam release! ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanahtlig Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 If there's anything I've learned, it's that eroge companies can't be counted on to market anything. At some point I thought to myself, "I bet I could do a better job than this!" And thus began my quest to market the games that JAST wouldn't bother to market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astro Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Huh, I didn't actually know that. Still, though, I don't think it's a good idea to be that optimistic about the potential release date for Meikyuu. If anything, it's better to be pessimistic and end up being pleasantly surprised. I've only seen them post updates for their non-Denpasoft VNs, and frankly, the fact they they did this at all surprised me, so I wouldn't expect much communication about their Denpasoft work, since they won't even advertise for it. Hate to be That Guy, since I want to read Meikyuu as much as the next person, but it's better to be realistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenophilious Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 I fail to see how one Twitter account is a successful marketing venture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astro Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 I fail to see how one Twitter account is a successful marketing venture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenophilious Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 From what they said later about adding new staff members (don't have a source since I don't remember where they said it), I'm pretty sure that they had barebones staff and servers, as they didn't think that many people would be interested in the 18+ version of Grisaia, or assumed that everyone that had already read it wouldn't buy it. That doesn't exactly mean much besides that they didn't properly predict the amount of traffic they'd get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astro Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 From what they said later about adding new staff members (don't have a source since I don't remember where they said it), I'm pretty sure that they had barebones staff and servers, as they didn't think that many people would be interested in the 18+ version of Grisaia, or assumed that everyone that had already read it wouldn't buy it. That doesn't exactly mean much besides that they didn't properly predict the amount of traffic they'd get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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