Unpopular Opinions About VN's

[Avil]

What a odd pair of visual novels to hate on, as a fan of both I would very much like to discuss in detail why you hate them as much as you do.... however, with a lack of reasons behind stated hate I am unable to do so.

When I dislike or hate a vn is usually because of the characters,in comyu the mc's "feminism" and attitude itself disgust me like no one ever could and Kagome is like a character born from an amateurish fanfiction.In Hoshizora I had a hard time finding someone to like in all the cast, I didn't care if a character suffered, died or even existed.

[Funyarinpa]

 

I'll probably get alot of flak for this but Ever 17 is a 5/10 for me and I only finished one and a half routes.I read through Komachi Tsugumis' route without much issue... but than I hit Sora's route and it was soo boooooooooooring. From what I gather most of the fans of Ever 17 were completely blown away by the (final) ending, but that dosn't make a good visual novel in my opinion. A good visual novel should be engaging from start to finish and not feel like you are working for a payoff.

 

Also, anyone who dosn't absolutely love MuvLuv Alternative dosn't have good taste

 

Also, Also, what is with the "it was good but not great" trend going on here we need reasons people.

 

I'd heard about soulmates, but this is quite the opposite.

 

Why are people completely shitting on my tastes today ;-;

[Nerathim]

Kagome is like a character born from an amateurish fanfiction

 

[Rockmandash12]

I'd heard about soulmates, but this is quite the opposite.

 

Why are people completely shitting on my tastes today ;-;

[Soulless Watcher]

Avil, on 17 Feb 2015 - 1:57 PM, said:

When I dislike or hate a vn is usually because of the characters,in comyu the mc's "feminism" and attitude itself disgust me like no one ever could and Kagome is like a character born from an amateurish fanfiction.In Hoshizora I had a hard time finding someone to like in all the cast, I didn't care if a character suffered, died or even existed.

The mc's "feminism" is more like a recurring joke, throwing around the term as a excuse whenever he does something to help women so it really didn't bother me. Not sure what you mean by "attitude" if you mean his attiude twords others (the whole connections are all a lie thing) I suppose I can't really comment since I don't have friends. Kagome......... yeah you are totaly right she is tha atypical Kurugaya Yuiko clone and one of the weaker routes. I can buy that you couldn't emotionally connect with the characters in Hoshizora, but not even a drop of love for Okaizumi?

[Tawm]

Muv-Luv Alternative's ending is a disaster.

The moment Takeru

ceases to exist,

the credits should've rolled.

It sets up another round of

Unlimited,

which is living hell for the viewer.

The whole cause of Takeru's arrival and constant loops was due to him not "choosing" Sumika.

What does the ending do? Set up another harem party.

Not to mention the whole thing is simply a way to hype and promote the fan disc.

 

Steins;Gate is highly overrated.

And again, has another ending which is absolutely awful.

Everyone has Okabe's "ability" to remember things across dimensions?

Well, fuck me.

That's really, really dumb and clearly only something written in to

set up a happy ending, despite it not making any sense to the rest of the story.

 

Slice of life, pure romance and VNs with no other purpose than for the MC to get laid are completely worthless and a waste of time to any and all.

People who jerk off of VNs should save themselves the time and just go watch porn.

 

School settings make me want to punch a baby.

This gag sums up my exact feelings on the matter.

[Soulless Watcher]

Tawm, on 17 Feb 2015 - 2:33 PM, said:

Muv-Luv Alternative's ending is a disaster.

The moment Takeru

ceases to exist,

the credits should've rolled.

It sets up another round of

Unlimited,

which is living hell for the viewer.

The whole cause of Takeru's arrival and constant loops was due to him not "choosing" Sumika.

What does the ending do? Set up another harem party.

Not to mention the whole thing is simply a way to hype and promote the fan disc.

 

Steins;Gate is highly overrated.

And again, has another ending which is absolutely awful.

Everyone has Okabe's "ability" to remember things across dimensions?

Well, fuck me.

That's really, really dumb and clearly only something written in to

set up a happy ending, despite it not making any sense to the rest of the story.

 

Slice of life, pure romance and VNs with no other purpose than for the MC to get laid are completely worthless and a waste of time to any and all.

People who jerk off of VNs should save themselves the time and just go watch porn.

School settings make me want to punch a baby.

You.... you are a fan of VNs, right?

[Tawm]

You.... you are a fan of VNs, right?

Of course.

I even localized a title single-handedly.

 

My tastes are very specific.

The vast majority of VNs with the aforementioned traits are almost unplayable to me.

I'm pretty sure Muv-Luv Extra shaved off years of my life.

[Soulless Watcher]

Tawm, on 17 Feb 2015 - 2:43 PM, said:

Of course.

I even localized a title single-handedly.

 

My tastes are very specific.

The vast majority of VNs with the aforementioned traits are almost unplayable to me.

I'm pretty sure Muv-Luv Extra shaved off years of my life.

Fair enough, I too wish for a break from the constant high school setting.

[Abyssal Monkey]

Slice of life, pure romance and VNs with no other purpose than for the MC to get laid are completely worthless and a waste of time to any and all.

People who jerk off of VNs should save themselves the time and just go watch porn..

I found this one pretty funny.  Nukige are in their own league for me.  I'd much rather read them than watch porn because of the setup.  Call me a romantic or whatever, but watching two people mash each other's privates together with no particular purpose makes it feel empty.  Storyline is important, as it gets you involved with the characters.  

 

Here's another unpopular opinion on the same note: 

I find the first H-Scenes of a character route important because it lets me know that they've romantically crossed the line, and anything after that I could generally care less about.

[Avil]

I can buy that you couldn't emotionally connect with the characters in Hoshizora, but not even a drop of love for Okaizumi?

Don't remember that character enough, but at least I try to read spoilers about the endings and other important parts to see if I'm mistaken (not even once) I guess he is a secondary character with a few cool lines.

[Satsuki]

 

Slice of life, pure romance and VNs with no other purpose than for the MC to get laid are completely worthless and a waste of time to any and all.

People who jerk off of VNs should save themselves the time and just go watch porn.

 

School settings make me want to punch a baby.

You just summarised the content of almost every vns ever made.

[Nerathim]

The mc's "feminism" is more like a recurring joke, throwing around the term as a excuse whenever he does something to help women so it really didn't bother me. Not sure what you mean by "attitude" if you mean his attiude twords others (the whole connections are all a lie thing) I suppose I can't really comment since I don't have friends. Kagome......... yeah you are totaly right she is tha atypical Kurugaya Yuiko clone and one of the weaker routes. I can buy that you couldn't emotionally connect with the characters in Hoshizora, but not even a drop of love for Okaizumi?

Kagome has nothing to do with Kurugaya apart from the voice acting,

she is a far more tormented character and blend incredibly well with the plot and its themes, she's not shown as a deus ex machina for the sake of pandering a particular audience, Kagome is the exact opposite of the everything that Hino (the writer) develops through Coµ, the fact that someone can't accomplish anything without the help of others for instance (five connectors and all that) : Kagome is perfect, and perfection doesn't exists. By herself she opposes her own universe (funny to see that she is the only one to control an avatar by herself, the sole and only bullet suffices because it's her, when Hisoka became the only connector of Nomad she starts to break, not Kagome), the author decided to trap himself and that's stunning especially when you come to her route, because even Caesar who is shown as a really talented and powerful individual claims himself than he needs his Legion more than anything, really terrific. Moreover Sting really reflects Kagome, a sharp,eternal and unbreakable blade that is made of very thin ribbons hiding a core that needs to be hidden (when Sting transforms into Gigano, the giant shadow that conceal its identity), the core being the despair of Kagome, her weakness, because despite what she's showing of herself she's filled with self-loathing and only lives because she is with Akihito (she belittles him every time she can but always stays be his side). A child prodigy protected by her family that comes abruptly in contacts with the world "the gentle kingdom", so permissive that she should have gone from a normal and cynic girl to an empty corpse with a destroyed mind but imo this relates to the "game" between Gasai and Akihito in Benio's route where Akihito asks himself "Is he more talented?" "Better suited to this?" "Mizuwa Akihito will never be able to match Gasai Itsuki", Kagome represents in her own way the injustice of the world, she was born above laws, above humans and even after such a slaughter, such trauma, she keeps a cool head and continue to struggle for years even if she's torn apart inside, but she reaches a happy ending, one that a normal person like Hisoka (again, but she relates a lot with Kagome) couldn't ever obtain because her life has been ruined too and she doesn't possess a mind as strong. Hisoka should have died, she's lucky to be alive but only as a walking corpse much like Akihito before meeting Kagome again.

 

God, I boasted and extrapolated a lot, I could even write more but I see that I've already gone off subject and I don't even know if I am understandable or event coherent.

It just saddens me to see that Kagome is often seen and judged superficially when there is a good reason for all of her caracteristics, she is the perfect character/plot device, definitely, she doesn't lose her identity by revolving to much around the plot but is nonetheless well linked to it and has a meaningful and useful role in it. I also find her ideals, her values to be quite interesting to read, she's so detached from society and yet so self-sufficient. And also a totally independent female character, that's really pleasing to see, even in her route (best route btw) she's not entirely saved by Akihito's effort while being the princess to rescue, she plays a major role in her own liberation, I liked this.

[Avil]

The worst point about those "strong" female characters is that they are always the victim "pure" and "innocent", they get away with everything they do whatever happens is everyone around them that's wrong not them, I'd like to see really strong female characters that suffer the consequences of their acts (good or bad) and not overpowered victims.

[Kurisu-Chan]

Must..resist...steins;Gate...hate...

[Tawm]

You just summarised the content of almost every vns ever made.

Unfortunately for me.

The only VN that I've really enjoyed which had most of those traits is Ayakashibito, which I consider to be one of my favorites.

I did initially drop it due to one of the dumbest h-scenes of all time being rammed down your throat not an hour into the game. I'm looking at you, potty training scene.

 

"Oh, sorry, I'm an omnipotent being, but would you be so kind as to show me how to urinate in human form?"

"OH, WHOOPS, SORRY, DIDN'T MEAN TO RUB YOUR CLIT FOR 5 MINUTES"

Hurr durr.

[Nosebleed]

Slice of life, pure romance and VNs with no other purpose than for the MC to get laid are completely worthless and a waste of time to any and all.

People who jerk off of VNs should save themselves the time and just go watch porn.

But porn with context is more interesting!

[Tawm]

But porn with context is more interesting!

The pizza guy is more than enough context for me.

[Abyssal Monkey]

Unfortunately for me.

The only VN that I've really enjoyed which had most of those traits is Ayakashibito, which I consider to be one of my favorites.

I did initially drop it due to one of the dumbest h-scenes of all time being rammed down your throat not an hour into the game. I'm looking at you, potty training scene.

 

"Oh, sorry, I'm an omnipotent being, but would you be so kind as to show me how to urinate in human form?"

"OH, WHOOPS, SORRY, DIDN'T MEAN TO RUB YOUR CLIT FOR 5 MINUTES"

Hurr durr.

This scene made me cry.  I didn't give a shit about pinkie's gang bang scene, but this one made me WTF so hard that I just skipped it.  I also just completely skipped Kaoru's route because I couldn't care less about her character even though it looked fairly decent in the action department from the cutscenes as I watched them scroll by.

[Nerathim]

The worst point about those "strong" female characters is that they are always the victim "pure" and "innocent", they get away with everything they do whatever happens is everyone around them that's wrong not them, I'd like to see really strong female characters that suffer the consequences of their acts (good or bad) and not overpowered victims.

In the case of Kagome she doesn't suffer the consequence of her acts not because of plot armor/convenience but by her own way of life, she doesn't get involved in anything regarding society and thus isn't punished by it, if it wasn't like it with it, Comyu would lose a lot, I mean it. (and to stay in a her social behaviour, it's connected to her values, she wouldn't hesitate to slice a throat if she could gain one minute in anything, if she gets away with it it's natural, who would want to mess with a madman or a serial killer?)

And if you want to see strong females characters undergoing some severe (and justified) backlash : read Umineko.

[Kurisu-Chan]

Wow, it's the first time since ages that i hear back about Coµ, interesting.

[Tawm]

This scene made me cry.  I didn't give a shit about pinkie's gang bang scene, but this one made me WTF so hard that I just skipped it.  I also just completely skipped Kaoru's route because I couldn't care less about her character even though it looked fairly decent in the action department from the cutscenes as I watched them scroll by.

I'd say that is one of my favorite routes, solely due to how awesome Katou Kotarou is.

Other than that, the route is fairly silly.

Soushichi forgiving Kaoru so easily for her betrayal, which essentially scarred him for life and haunts him through each route.

It also has another one of the dumbest h-scenes that I've ever seen in anything, ever.

 

For the sake of context, Soushichi is this honorable guy who has morals coming out the ass and as far as logical writing goes, he would never do the things that happen in this scene.

Koutaru basically wipes the floor with every soldier in the building single-handedly and heads to pwn

Kuki on the roof.

Meanwhile, Soushichi has an orgy with Kaoru and Reina, Kotarou's love interest and future wife.

IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FINAL FUCKING BATTLE OF THE ROUTE!

Almost ran out of lolwut's watching those events transpire.

 

Oh, yeah.

That's another opinion that might be considered unpopular.

Ayakashibito would be a better game if it was all-ages.

WTB PS2 version.

[Nerathim]

Meanwhile, Soushichi has an orgy with Kaoru and Reina, Kotarou's love interest and future wife.

 

 

I will never forget it

[SoulJustIn]

In here , got many opinion  ..........

i too lazy to read all

[kratoscar2008]

While I've no doubt that many VNs fit that mold (what you gave is probably only a slightly unfair assessment of KonoSora's branching, for example), I can easily think of at least some excellent VNs that don't work that way. I would say that most of the VNs I've played at least use the "which heroine did you choose" decision fork to tell you a completely different story for each one, and that alone makes your claim unfair. Moreover, several of them have additional stories beyond the heroine routes that are unlocked once you play enough.

 

Of the small number of VNs I've played, Rewrite is the perfect counterexample to what you describe: not only do you get a completely different story line depending on the heroine you choose (the only similarity between them is the setting of time, place, and main characters, really), but once you've completed the five heroine routes, you unlock further, interesting extensions of the plot that aren't tied to a heroine choice.

 

And thats the problem, i dont know at wich point a visual novel HAD to add an heroine to branch routes. A problem with that is most of the time the route falls or stand based on the heroine. The heroine steals the spotlight, some characters outright dissapears as to not steal the heroine spotlight (like say other heroines), if the heroine sucks the route goes down with it and of course having to shoehorn romantic events.

 

Of course there are exceptions but i think VNs should stop being about fugging/romancing heroines and tell an story about the world and its inner workings, but not alongside an heroine as the centerpiece of it. A VN equivalent of those series i mentioned would be really cool in my opinion.