ホアー ビち Posted March 4, 2016 Author Share Posted March 4, 2016 27 minutes ago, Kawasumi said: oh you mean @Deep Blue? s;g, sharin no kuni, clannad among highest rated vns. nah... those are pretty popular. 14 minutes ago, XReaper said: b-but those are whom i personally consider beeing true fans - not giving in to escapism, leading a life thats fully devoted to their main heroines only & aggressively fighting/rallying against "la generica magna" my question is if those exist at all. ive never seen a vn hipster. there are those who bash some popular stuff (hoshimemo, key) but praise other(g-senjou, muvluv, grisaia). there are the moegefags who hate everything else and the moegehaters who like their dark stuff. but pretty much everyone ive seen likes some kind of mainstream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XReaper Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 6 minutes ago, ロル ビち said: my question is if those exist at all. ive never seen a vn hipster. there are those who bash some popular stuff (hoshimemo, key) but praise other(g-senjou, muvluv, grisaia). there are the moegefags who hate everything else and the moegehaters who like their dark stuff. but pretty much everyone ive seen likes some kind of mainstream. this is exactly why we cant have nice things anymore. (with little to no exceptions) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklord Rooke Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 It's pretty surprising there's so little discussion of VNs over there 0.0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VirginSmasher Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 50 minutes ago, ロル ビち said: s;g, sharin no kuni, clannad among highest rated vns. nah... those are pretty popular. my question is if those exist at all. ive never seen a vn hipster. there are those who bash some popular stuff (hoshimemo, key) but praise other(g-senjou, muvluv, grisaia). there are the moegefags who hate everything else and the moegehaters who like their dark stuff. but pretty much everyone ive seen likes some kind of mainstream. Because a lot of more mainstream VNs are actually pretty good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyr Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 Being a hipster includes pretentiousness. For example: not liking mainstream, because it's popular. I'm reading mainly old and obscure stuff and dislike most mainstream VNs. But I am not a hipster. I just have good taste. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Deep Blue, XReaper and Chronopolis 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklord Rooke Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 There's a very simple way to determine whether you're a hipster or not. You just have to ask yourself a single question: Q: Do you wear a fedora? Rose 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenophilious Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 1 minute ago, Rooke said: There's a very simple way to determine whether you're a hipster or not. You just have to ask yourself a single question: Q: Do you wear a fedora? m'underground VNs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 This just goes to show how non-trivial it is to define mainstream and underground currents. Nobody even seems to agree on what's mainstream and what's not and at what scale in our own communities, how the hell are we supposed to actually know what goes on on the jp side of things? Especially since they don't seem to be using exactly the same kind of media as we do in the same proportions; have fun digging up 2ch and twitter discussions to know what people think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deep Blue Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 I didn't know there was such a thing as hipsters for vns *tips his fedora* I enjoy something good, it doesnt matter if it's old or new, but mostly I like old things because I find in those types of novels things that I really enjoy, for example the death of the main heroine, a murder within a few minutes, etc etc, things that by today standards are not acceptable to do (at least no in general), you have your moege/charage with pretty characters, talking about food, and doing pretty much anything meh, it seems that having pretty art is more important than having a good story, maybe it was the same back then and I'm only playing the obscure and good stuff XReaper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VirginSmasher Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 12 minutes ago, Rooke said: There's a very simple way to determine whether you're a hipster or not. You just have to ask yourself a single question: Q: Do you wear a fedora? M'anime grills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ホアー ビち Posted March 4, 2016 Author Share Posted March 4, 2016 i wonder if there is a vn correspondent for rose of Versailles. i think if there were more otomege and yaoige available (like in english or at least in pc), there would be real hipsters here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 4 minutes ago, ロル ビち said: i wonder if there is a vn correspondent for rose of Versailles. i think if there were more otomege and yaoige available (like in english or at least in pc), there would be real hipsters here. Afaik there are BL (and perhaps otome) games that are fairly well aware of the cultural legacy of stuff like the Year 24 mangakas (e.g. Shingakkou) and that deals with similar themes etc. Ofc there aren't that many BL games to begin with, much less available in english... But it's there. I don't see the link with hipsterism though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ホアー ビち Posted March 4, 2016 Author Share Posted March 4, 2016 On 3/4/2016 at 8:43 PM, Down said: Afaik there are BL (and perhaps otome) games that are fairly well aware of the cultural legacy of stuff like the Year 24 mangakas (e.g. Shingakkou) and that deals with similar themes etc. Ofc there aren't that many BL games to begin with, much less available in english... But it's there. I don't see the link with hipsterism though. its cuz most of the vn fans are male. the same applies to animu. so in anime community ppl that actually go for shoujo/josei demographic are quite uncommon. then you put it in vn, where the percentage of hetero males is even higher, most of the must-read and recommend stuff around everywhere is never otome, and u get to actually take the role of a fem protagonist and get dominated by males. like, if ur playing an otomege in a community like that, ur pretty much avoiding lots of recs and popular stuff and going for something that is opposite to ur sexual tastes. the chances r high ur a hipster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 I don't even know what hipster means anymore. Is it really hipster to play BL/otome games when you're not the intended target? I know we got some cases of severe "but what if I catch THE GAYZ" stupidity in VN communities, but it doesn't seem that "hipster" to me. I don't think there are particularly more men than women watching anime btw. There's no particular stats on this that I know of but it doesn't seem heavily disproportionate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OriginalRen Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 1 minute ago, Down said: I don't even know what hipster means anymore. Is it really hipster to play BL/otome games when you're not the intended target? I know we got some cases of severe "but what if I catch THE GAYZ" stupidity in VN communities, but it doesn't seem that "hipster" to me. I don't think there are particularly more men than women watching anime btw. There's no particular stats on this that I know of but it doesn't seem heavily disproportionate. Verily, our lord and savior has spoken on this very day in a thread, and therefore it has been written. Let it be told. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ホアー ビち Posted March 5, 2016 Author Share Posted March 5, 2016 On 3/5/2016 at 9:11 PM, Down said: I don't even know what hipster means anymore. Is it really hipster to play BL/otome games when you're not the intended target? I know we got some cases of severe "but what if I catch THE GAYZ" stupidity in VN communities, but it doesn't seem that "hipster" to me. I don't think there are particularly more men than women watching anime btw. There's no particular stats on this that I know of but it doesn't seem heavily disproportionate. i think it is, cuz ur going against the majority even when doing the contrary would be much easier. take a look at all the vn recs here and vns with reputation. i think around 0,1% or less is otomege. second, u wont be enjoying the self-insert pandering or sex (if present). the only reason an hetero male here would go for otomege and disregard or look down on popular galge is to be diffrent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vorathiel Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 1 hour ago, Deep Blue said: I enjoy something good, it doesnt matter if it's old or new, but mostly I like old things because I find in those types of novels things that I really enjoy, for example the death of the main heroine, a murder within a few minutes, etc etc, things that by today standards are not acceptable to do (at least no in general), you have your moege/charage with pretty characters, talking about food, and doing pretty much anything meh, it seems that having pretty art is more important than having a good story, maybe it was the same back then and I'm only playing the obscure and good stuff Probably true. Same it's movies and music - only good and memorable ones are getting their own life years after. 60s, 80s etc had a tons of shitty music, and we, as humanity just forgot about them. So probably the same with VNs. But we should ask an expert. @Tyrosyn You read a lot of old stuff, right? Kawasumi 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VirginSmasher Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 27 minutes ago, Vorathiel said: Probably true. Same it's movies and music - only good and memorable ones are getting their own life years after. 60s, 80s etc had a tons of shitty music, and we, as humanity just forgot about them. So probably the same with VNs. But we should ask an expert. @Tyrosyn You read a lot of old stuff, right? Exactly. People like to think of the 70s or 80s as the best decades in music, but they completely forget about how awful some of the music from back then is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deep Blue Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 36 minutes ago, Vorathiel said: Probably true. Same it's movies and music - only good and memorable ones are getting their own life years after. 60s, 80s etc had a tons of shitty music, and we, as humanity just forgot about them. So probably the same with VNs. But we should ask an expert. @Tyrosyn You read a lot of old stuff, right? To be honest I'm not a guru or anything on the matter, I'm really new into the vn world, probably 1 and a half year and only half year or so reading untranslated vns, there are a lot of users in this forum with much more experience than me, for example Tyr(he knows a lot about old vns) , XReap and I'm sure clep too or even cerulean (but she has weird tastes and doesnt seem to enjoy really old vns maybe im wrong ) I'm sure there are more but I don't talk with many users either xD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanbe Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 One thing for sure they stay away from shitty OELVNS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deep Blue Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 2 hours ago, Kanbe said: One thing for sure they stay away from shitty OELVNS there are some really good OELVNs out there I recently played one, generalizing is always a bad thing to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkZedge Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 21 minutes ago, Deep Blue said: there are some really good OELVNs out there I recently played one, generalizing is always a bad thing to do. Indeed it is, putting everyone or everything in one bag is always a mistake for you may find a gem among those and miss it because you dissmissed it all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VirginSmasher Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Just now, DarkZedge said: Indeed it is, putting everyone or everything in one bag is always a mistake for you may find a gem among those and miss it because you dissmissed it all If there are any really well received OELVNs, I will play them. Other than that, I tend to stay clear of a genre as a whole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkZedge Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Just now, VirginSmasher said: If there are any really well received OELVNs, I will play them. Other than that, I tend to stay clear of a genre as a whole. I usually do some research before going into a OELVN or at least ask a bit aournd for opinions...these are precautions but doesn't mean you'll dismiss them all as garbage without giving those that aren't a chance.. Arcadeotic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deep Blue Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 8 minutes ago, VirginSmasher said: If there are any really well received OELVNs, I will play them. Other than that, I tend to stay clear of a genre as a whole. you haven't played any of the sakura games? what are you waiting for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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