euphoria

[WinterfuryZX]

People make it sound like nukige carries a negative value when really it mostly refers to the ratio of story x sex scenes and how the plot is handled in a way to lead to those scenes.

Unless you show this game spends the majority of time developing the story rather than showing you sex scenes, then it's a nukige.

That doesn't however imply it can't have a good story behind it, just that a majority of the time you'll be looking at sex scenes.

I'm almost certain non sex scenes cover at least more than 50% of the game.

Edited October 20, 2015 by WinterfuryZX

[XReaper]

so what? dont those scenes shown in euphoria, do actually provide you with lots of important characterdevelopent or arent they neccessary emotion-wise? its not just some bland ahhhs & ohhhs, cause everything there has more or less a deeper meaning to it, which is shown in this game through (hard) sex instead of the usual lovey dovey pink harmony shit

[Decay]

People make it sound like nukige carries a negative value when really it mostly refers to the ratio of story x sex scenes and how the plot is handled in a way to lead to those scenes.

Unless you show this game spends the majority of time developing the story rather than showing you sex scenes, then it's a nukige.

That doesn't however imply it can't have a good story behind it, just that a majority of the time you'll be looking at sex scenes.

I'm almost certain non sex scenes cover at least more than 50% of the game.

Nahhh. I'll have to see when the full game comes out, but I'd wager well over half of the script is in the h-scenes. Keeping in mind that there are 5 possible h-scenes for each turn and the intervals aren't much longer than an individual h-scene, if at all, and sometimes there are extra h-scenes mixed in as well. 

having many sex scenes doesnst make a game nukige at all, as people tend to ignore the fact sex can be, if executed well, a great stylistic device needed for telling stories you simply cant do otherwise, this has absolutely nothing to do with deluding oneselfe, or not. of course there are those who do fap to it, but i hope its not the majority who intends reading this game same goes for beeing hyped because of its (false) ero-guro tag, i´ve came to see in many different forums/sites/advertising by now.

That just means the sex is dual purpose. You can't say a game with so many features conducive to masturbation isn't interested in getting the readers off. Stuff like the CG zooming, the ejaculation countdown, and so on. Also I still don't know why you're obsessed with this ero-guro thing, it has nothing to do with it. It's not there, but it's still a dark fetishistic experience, just in a different way. Clock Up and MangaGamer aggressively markets the game as a fetishistic nukige and you better believe that's why most people are getting it.

Edited October 20, 2015 by Decay

[XReaper]

aye i let it slide for now, though i personally dont see it catering any fetishes at all, cause it only tells a good & interesting story not through many words, but due to its characters actions like eachothers (physically & mentally) violation or hurting them otherwise. therefore i object to it beeing marketed as a nukige, cause thats not what its main purpose is. its basically the same as marketing serbian movie as dark porn, which is absolutely isnt
 

edit. reg. tags, european/german forums and others are full of missleading informations and i´m pretty sure lots of people will buy it based on false expectations.

[Decay]

I just think you can cater to fetishes while telling a story at the same time, and that's exactly what they're doing.

[XReaper]

if you say it this way then yes, but because its not its main focus, despite its high frequency its also a no, simply because going by that logic of yours every story is catering fetishes, like feet, schoolgirls, maids, verbally abused, elves etc.

[WinterfuryZX]

People make it sound like nukige carries a negative value when really it mostly refers to the ratio of story x sex scenes and how the plot is handled in a way to lead to those scenes.

Unless you show this game spends the majority of time developing the story rather than showing you sex scenes, then it's a nukige.

That doesn't however imply it can't have a good story behind it, just that a majority of the time you'll be looking at sex scenes.

I'm almost certain non sex scenes cover at least more than 50% of the game.

Nahhh. I'll have to see when the full game comes out, but I'd wager well over half of the script is in the h-scenes. Keeping in mind that there are 5 possible h-scenes for each turn and the intervals aren't much longer than an individual h-scene, if at all, and sometimes there are extra h-scenes mixed in as well. 

I'll avoid it then, I don't mind the hardcoreness of the scenes, but too much H-scenes will ruin the experience for me, and 50%+ of the script is way over my tolerance.

[Chronopolis]

if you say it this way then yes, but because its not its main focus, despite its high frequency its also a no, simply because going by that logic of yours every story is catering fetishes, like feet, schoolgirls, maids, verbally abused, elves etc.

Dark Eroge often have high sexual content. Some have a stronger story element than others. If you are used to playing dark eroge, you won't give more than a nod to the sex scenes in a story-heavy dark eroge like euphoria (it's expected they will be there, after all), instead you'll really notice, wow this actually really tells a story.

But if you're like most people and aren't used to the extreme ero, it's going to stand out and probably change your experience of the story. Usually in a negative way, since even if they may be tied in plot wise, most of those scenes purpose is for porn.

Edited October 21, 2015 by Chronopolis

[VirginSmasher]

I've seen the first episode of the hentai series and I will say it has all the things I hate in it, but if people like it, I'll try it out. I'm willing to try anything new.

[XReaper]

this is mostly due to that which i´ve claimed in the other thread, people getting made used to only this kind of stuff because yeah. escapism isnt the way to go and avoiding themes you´re not comfortable with doesnt let you grow as a person. maybee i´m too used reading more serious content than i should be, but for example when seeing someone getting raped, i dont focus primary on the obvious stuff, but kind of analysing the scene for myself, trying to figure out if there´s a deeper meening to it. ero content isnt that easy like some people making it to be, like when raping someone, you can do it for sexual pleasure, out of dominance, just for fun, or simply as an archaic means for totally destroying someone as a person, each of them providing the reader with a rich opportunity to whitness the characters grow or degenerate in an interesting manner, based on what actually happened to whom.
to me it somehow seems, like people tend to refuse drawing a connection between gorenography as awhole and its reallife context, as if its only some imaginary carnal disires non happening/taking place in the everyday life of ours, so when beeing exposed to it actually happening or shown otherwise they are unable to realize whats really going on, distracted by superficiality.

edit: reg. their purpose is for porn - yoa that may be true, but who in the world said porn´s sole reason for existance is us fapping to it? porn is art. i truly believe that. i´m no voyeur and i dont feel like becoming one, but i enjoy porn for many reasons more than just by giving in to my urges

[Tyr]

Uhm, euphoria is certainly not a nukige. Most of the h-scenes are concentrated in the first part of the game which is only a small part of the whole eroge. Stating that 50% of the game are h-scenes is just plain wrong.

There is much more to the game than most of you who haven't read it think and hentai scenes are only a small part of it. And most of them are actually important to the characterization and development.

[Decay]

I knew there was more to it, but... well, I hope they manage to surprise me.

[Narcosis]

The story is there regardless of high sexual content. Guro and fetish pandering is actually what destroys Euphoria, instead of helping it to sell more copies and I'm amazed Clockup devs haven't realized it yet; those elements only cater to a very small, specific niche and don't really add much to the game itself.

[Deep Blue]

I don't know if I will be able to read this, I mean if there is a plot behind all that screwed up stuff I'm sure it can also do without it, maybe leave something out to the imagination..

The fan service fetishes in this novel is strong. 

[Tyr]

The story is there regardless of high sexual content. Guro and fetish pandering is actually what destroys Euphoria, instead of helping it to sell more copies and I'm amazed Clockup devs haven't realized it yet; those elements only cater to a very small, specific niche and don't really add much to the game itself.

How can you say that the fetish stuff doesn't matter when it's a vital part of the story.
Also, there is no Guro (in the vndb definition sense of "Gore in a sexual context") in this game. Only very, very few CGs with Gore which

are exclusive to bad ends and

are only shown for a few seconds before fading into black, because it's not meant to be fetish material but instead is used to emphasize a dramatic moment.

 

I don't know if I will be able to read this, I mean if there is a plot behind all that screwed up stuff I'm sure it can also do without it, maybe leave something out to the imagination...

No, it can't be left out. It's that important.

This is not a feel-good story. You're not supposed to like everything you see. You know, that's kinda the point.
It's like you want to play an NTR game, but without the cheating. ^_~

[Deep Blue]

The story is there regardless of high sexual content. Guro and fetish pandering is actually what destroys Euphoria, instead of helping it to sell more copies and I'm amazed Clockup devs haven't realized it yet; those elements only cater to a very small, specific niche and don't really add much to the game itself.

How can you say that the fetish stuff doesn't matter when it's a vital part of the story.
Also, there is no Guro (in the vndb definition sense of "Gore in a sexual context") in this game. Only very, very few CGs with Gore which

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are only shown for a few seconds before fading into black, because it's not meant to be fetish material but instead is used to emphasize a dramatic moment.

 

I don't know if I will be able to read this, I mean if there is a plot behind all that screwed up stuff I'm sure it can also do without it, maybe leave something out to the imagination...

No, it can't be left out. It's that important.

This is not a feel-good story. You're not supposed to like everything you see. You know, that's kinda the point.
It's like you want to play an NTR game, but without the cheating. ^_~

you can have a plot that revolves around a girl being raped without actually showing how it was raped, same thing here. Showing how a girl eats her own shit is just there for the shocking value and fan services :/ well at least that's my opinion   

[WinterfuryZX]

 

you can have a plot that revolves around a girl being raped without actually showing how it was raped, same thing here. Showing how a girl eats her own shit is just there for the shocking value and fan services :/ well at least that's my opinion   

No it could be done for artistics purposes:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salò,_or_the_120_Days_of_Sodom

I don't think it is the case of euphoria, though.

 

[BookwormOtaku]

Well, did a playthrough of the demo and it was pretty good, kind of has me curious as to what story there could be beyond the H content. Still I have a theory about what could happen later:

Miyako is in some way involved in the game. It's a little too convenient that we get an example of defying the rules right off the bat, her dialogue just before forfeiting could indicate she's aware of the MC's fetish which she shouldn't know and we never actually see her die. This could also hint that Nemu's involved as well as aside from not being at all surprised or curious about the game her actions when Keisuke goes into the electric chair room could indicate she's trying to distract him from checking for anything suspicious.

 

[Deep Blue]

 

you can have a plot that revolves around a girl being raped without actually showing how it was raped, same thing here. Showing how a girl eats her own shit is just there for the shocking value and fan services :/ well at least that's my opinion   

No it could be done for artistics purposes:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salò,_or_the_120_Days_of_Sodom

I don't think it is the case of euphoria, though.

 

yeah knowing how this vns business work I would say this is not the case... I mean just check the vns that clockup released, such as "please rape me","tera pretty girl", "ero manga", "hermaphrodite,,," etc etc 

[XReaper]

dont speak bad of please rape me! (><)

[Deep Blue]

there is something illogical about that title but i still don't know what it is, "please rape me" mmm i wonder what it is  

[XReaper]

title is pretty much missleading, because its not primary about rape in its noconsential form, but rather rape play if thats a known term to you.enjoyed it pretty much, may stem from me personally beeing into this kind of stuff, too

edit. yeah i´m an immoral swine, but i´m proud of it!

[Tyr]

yeah knowing how this vns business work I would say this is not the case... I mean just check the vns that clockup released, such as "please rape me","tera pretty girl", "ero manga", "hermaphrodite,,," etc etc 

It's really not a good idea comparing Clockup's nukige with their serious games like euphoria or Fraternite.

 

there is something illogical about that title but i still don't know what it is, "please rape me" mmm i wonder what it is  

I knew quite a few 3DPDs who said this phrase to me. There is nothing illogical about a woman desiring such an act.
Heck, if it comes to the characterization of broken girl's, I guess eroge is pretty damn close to reality in this regard. ^^ Much more realistic than cute girls liking a hetare, haha xD

(I don't like this particular Clockup game, btw)

[Deep Blue]

yeah knowing how this vns business work I would say this is not the case... I mean just check the vns that clockup released, such as "please rape me","tera pretty girl", "ero manga", "hermaphrodite,,," etc etc 

It's really not a good idea comparing Clockup's nukige with their serious games like euphoria or Fraternite.

 

there is something illogical about that title but i still don't know what it is, "please rape me" mmm i wonder what it is  

I knew quite a few 3DPDs who said this phrase to me. There is nothing illogical about a woman desiring such an act.
Heck, if it comes to the characterization of broken girl's, I guess eroge is pretty damn close to reality in this regard. ^^ Much more realistic than cute girls liking a hetare, haha xD

(I don't like this particular Clockup game, btw)

"rape" means the act of having sexual intercourse against someones will and consent and please is well....that phrase is not logical at all, is like saying "please don't suicide me", it doesnt make sense. I know it's not meant to be taken it literally but the again... i just can't 
Also I'm not saying they dont do serious games, clearly they do all I'm saying is that all the fucked up thing in that novel is there for the shocking value or fan service and not for artistic purposes, but that's my opinion and nothing more.

Edited October 22, 2015 by Deep Blue
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[XReaper]

again, its about RAPE PLAY, not nonconsentual rape, like sexual role play. many woman have such desires and many men do have the same.