Okami Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 No none of the books that I mentioned are erotic titles. Also wow what an extremely bigoted way to view others. We're not talking about borderline sexual offenders here. I suppose you don't consider yourself a pervert when you go watch porn or find someone particularly attractive. You seem to be approaching this from an extremely rudimentary mindset. .Attraction by itself is sexual in nature my friend. Sex is what creates life and closing your eyes to censor yourself and pretend it doesn't happen doesn't make it go away. Ok how is my statement wrong. This isn't an subjective statement it's objective (Fact). So tell me, how is consensual sex not a sign of intimacy? Where did you goten an idea that I watch porn or that I am finding anyone sexyaly attractive please tell me? Didn't you read in my post that I have apsolytely none interest in sex. You do know that there are people who don't have sexual needs right? Or did you persuaded yoursef that everyone do and that it is "normal" or something? Nature=instinct Fallowing instinct=Animals Animals=No inelligence or self consciousness inelligence is dyfing nature, becoming above it. I am not pretending that it dosen't happen I am poiting out misstakes that it does happen while in ideal world it shouldn't. As for you "fact" it is wrong becouse sex can have anyone, 2 total strangers can have sex that don't know anything about each other and don't have any fealings for eatch other. Intimacy is something you get by shering feallings and sex dosn't have anything to do with fealings it is just an urge an instinct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okami Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 As I see it, calling people who enjoy H-scenes or people who think they are necessary for VNs is quite shallow and closed minded. People who are able to just throw out radical assumptions, for example saying everyone who likes H-scenes are perverts, really frustrate me to no end. For the sake of keeping this thread on track you can probably tell I support H-scenes, and that's not to say they are 100% necessary because I am sure there are VNs where an H-scene wouldn't fit. Well isn't that obvius? If you like porn you are a pervert. Oh and by the way perverts who are openly defending "their way" frustrate me to no end too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seath Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Where did you goten an idea that I watch porn or that I am finding anyone sexyaly attractive please tell me? Didn't you read in my post that I have apsolytely none interest in sex. You do know that there are people who don't have sexual needs right? Or did you persuaded yoursef that everyone do and that it is "normal" or something? Um, yes...yes it is normal, in fact it's how the human race has survived as a species for as long as it has. Where did you goten an idea that I watch porn or that I am finding anyone sexyaly attractive please tell me? Didn't you read in my post that I have apsolytely none interest in sex. You do know that there are people who don't have sexual needs right? Or did you persuaded yoursef that everyone do and that it is "normal" or something? Nature=instinct Fallowing instinct=Animals Animals=No inelligence or self consciousness inelligence is dyfing nature, becoming above it. I am not pretending that it dosen't happen I am poiting out misstakes that it does happen while in ideal world it shouldn't. As for you "fact" it is wrong becouse sex can have anyone, 2 total strangers can have sex that don't know anything about each other and don't have any fealings for eatch other. Intimacy is something you get by shering feallings and sex dosn't have anything to do with fealings it is just an urge an instinct. Please tell me more about this "Ideal" world that we live in where everyone is happy all of the time ,and there are no diseases, and no one wants for anything. Come off it man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklord Rooke Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Anyways I have no problem with H-Scenes I just find them boring. To me they're filler, a part of the story where nothing happens, and I fast forward them. If you like them, that's fine, but I find them unnecessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yume Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 It's all depends on the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okami Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Um, yes...yes it is normal, in fact it's how the human race has survived as a species for as long as it has. Please tell me more about this "Ideal" world that we live in where everyone is happy all of the time ,and there are no diseases, and no one wants for anything. Come off it man. You are so narovminded. Human race has survived as a species becouse it defiend nature and "normal" and created tehnology. When we found a way to build houses we stoped living in caves. And nobady talks about ideal world with no diseases, and no one wants for anything I am talking about ideal world where mayority of people are not idiots and animals and where they finaly learn to use intelligence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seath Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 You are so narovminded. Human race has survived as a species becouse it defiend nature and "normal" and created tehnology. When we found a way to build houses we stoped living in caves. And nobady talks about ideal world with no diseases, and no one wants for anything I am talking about ideal world where mayority of people are not idiots and animals and where they finaly learn to use intelligence. Yes, because it is intelligent to believe that without procreating we would all continue to survive. By the way, nor·mal ˈnôrməl/ adjective adjective: normal 1. conforming to a standard; usual, typical, or expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okami Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Yes, because it is intelligent to believe that without procreating we would all continue to survive. Artificial insemination? Cloning? And thouse that are still not possible but will be moust likely in next faw decades like moving consciousness or stoping ageing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seath Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Artificial insemination? Cloning? And thouse that are still not possible but will be moust likely in next faw decades like moving consciousness or stoping ageing? And there is the out of sight out of mind mindset that I am referring to. You do realize that the sperm still fertilizes the egg and gets pushed out of the mothers womb right? Contact with another persons sexual organs still happens regardless. You would still be just pretending that it didn't happen. The world isn't clean and sanitary like you think it is and it will never be so no matter how far we advance. People will still continue to consume, excrete waste, and procreate in some form or fashion in order to survive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narcosis Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Anyways I have no problem with H-Scenes I just find them boring. To me they're filler, a part of the story where nothing happens, and I fast forward them. If you like them, that's fine, but I find them unnecessary. Truth to be told, it's how it looks with a lot of eroge nowadays. Calling them a filler is the right thing to do, because in most cases they are there because of the genre requirements; at times, devs do not even propably imagine whether they should indeed become a part of the game, or not. They just have to go in there, that's it. In most cases, it comes out of the fact their games simply won't sell because the japanese visual novel market is completely oversaturated and there's a lot of competition going on around. A lot of visual novels I know could actually work well without any explicit erotic content; there's just not enough of those, that come with a more subtle approach, instead trying to sell your typical smut. In one way or another, it makes the genre shallow and decreases it's overall quality. One cannot be surprised people tend to link visual novels with porn. It is because THEY ARE porn by the definition in that case. Sadly, sex is not only about the intercourse. Eroge writers tend to focus on the intercourse and neglect other, more important factors. I can hardly remember a visual novel that truly made the whole romantic/sexual aspect really enjoyable, mainly since everything fails to deliver all those strong sensations and feelings related with our own sexuality; because most of the stories are written by incredibly poor writers, and their texts simply radiate with their immaturity. Sadly, intercourse itself is just a poor conclusion to one of the most blissful experiences we, humans are able to perceive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solidbatman Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 First Warning to all of you. I am seeing some name calling and general rude behavior. Next warning will be sent to those engaging in that, and if we still cannot maintain a pleasant atmosphere, I will shut down the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okami Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 And there is the out of sight out of mind mindset that I am referring to. You do realize that the sperm still fertilizes the egg and gets pushed out of the mothers womb right? Contact with another persons sexual organs still happens regardless. You would still be just pretending that it didn't happen. The world isn't clean and sanitary like you think it is and it will never be so no matter how far we advance. People will still continue to consume, excrete waste, and procreate in some form or fashion in order to survive. It is only exange of genes there is noting sexual about it. Also I like how you ignored everything else. what with cloning? And nobady said anything about a fair world I don't know where did you pull out that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seath Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 It is only exange of genes there is noting sexual about it. Also I like how you ignored everything else. what with cloning? And nobady said anything about a fair world I don't know where did you pull out that one. This isn't Science fiction. Cloning doesn't happen exclusively in a tube you still need a surrogate mother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madvanced Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 First Warning to all of you. I am seeing some name calling and general rude behavior. Next warning will be sent to those engaging in that, and if we still cannot maintain a pleasant atmosphere, I will shut down the thread. Although I did participate in the argument I don't think I had rude behavior towards anyone, nor anyone towards me for that matter, but things are escalating a bit so I think that sooner or later the thread must be closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narcosis Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 A word of wisdom: Carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okami Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 This isn't Science fiction. Cloning doesn't happen exclusively in a tube you still need a surrogate mother. I see you know a lot about cloning why don't you explain to me how does a prosidure to that goeas then? And just to warn you to not made up stuff becouse I do know a faw things about it. Although I did participate in the argument I don't think I had rude behavior towards anyone, nor anyone towards me for that matter, but things are escalating a bit so I think that sooner or later the thread must be closed. You are totaly ok, true we did have an oposide opinions (And probably still do) we had a decent discusion about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seath Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Cloning may invoke an image of an army of identical cows or sheep churned out factory-style, but in actuality, the process is much more laborious. The term "cloning" generally applies to a process more technically known as somatic cell nuclear transfer. What that means is that the DNA from the cell of an adult animal (take cows, for example), called the "donor," is extracted from the cell (usually a skin cell taken in a biopsy) and inserted into an egg cell from another cow. The egg cell has had its nucleus removed so that it will read and duplicate the DNA of the donor cell. The newly created embryo is then zapped with electricity so that it starts multiplying, until it becomes a blastocyst (a small clump of cells that forms after an egg is fertilized), which is then implanted into a surrogate mother. The resulting newborn will be an identical genetic replica to the donor cow. Source: http://www.livescience.com/32295-how-does-cloning-work.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okami Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Cloning may invoke an image of an army of identical cows or sheep churned out factory-style, but in actuality, the process is much more laborious. The term "cloning" generally applies to a process more technically known as somatic cell nuclear transfer. What that means is that the DNA from the cell of an adult animal (take cows, for example), called the "donor," is extracted from the cell (usually a skin cell taken in a biopsy) and inserted into an egg cell from another cow. The egg cell has had its nucleus removed so that it will read and duplicate the DNA of the donor cell. The newly created embryo is then zapped with electricity so that it starts multiplying, until it becomes a blastocyst (a small clump of cells that forms after an egg is fertilized), which is then implanted into a surrogate mother. The resulting newborn will be an identical genetic replica to the donor cow. Source: http://www.livescience.com/32295-how-does-cloning-work.html Anything sexual there? If there is I might not know what sex is as I am prety sure that this dosen't have anything to do with sex. So you can create a life withouth sex or anything sexyaly involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seath Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Still gotta come out of the womb. Point is the world isn't ever gonna conform to your opinions, and you shouldn't expect it to. Just like how you can't make people believe that sex is pointless. "Ideal" is something that is different for everyone, and it is something that the world will never be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narcosis Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 So you can create a life withouth sex or anything sexually involved. B-but I like sex! I am addicted and you won't stop me from making more babies! We want to form our own soccer team! o(≧▽≦)o Jokes aside, sex is really good. It makes you relaxed, more healthy and less prone to stressful things. It is scientifically proven, that people who involve themselves in a lot of sexual activity have longer lifespans and are less prone to certain ilnesses. In other words, I feel for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okami Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 B-but I like sex! I am addicted and you won't stop me from making more babies! We want to form our own soccer team! o(≧▽≦)o Jokes aside, sex is really good. It makes you relaxed, more healthy and less prone to stressful things. It is scientifically proven, that people who involve themselves in a lot of sexual activity have longer lifespans and are less prone to certain ilnesses. In other words, I feel for you. That is only becouse they are satisfaed and I am far more satisfaed without it in my life. I feel for you too. Still gotta come out of the womb. Point is the world isn't ever gonna conform to your opinions, and you shouldn't expect it to. Just like how you can't make people believe that sex is pointless. "Ideal" is something that is different for everyone, and it is something that the world will never be. You totaly like making obvius steitments out of nowere, I never said I am expecting a world to go around my opinions. That dosen't mean my opinions are wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seath Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 You totaly like making obvius steitments out of nowere, I never said I am expecting a world to go around my opinions. That dosen't mean my opinions are wrong. If you stated your opinions as opinions then there wouldn't be a problem, but saying that people must be perverts because they exhibit a normal sex drive that you don't have is a very intolerant and rude thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okami Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 If you stated your opinions as opinions then there wouldn't be a problem, but saying that people must be perverts because they exhibit a normal sex drive that you don't have is a very intolerant and rude thing to do. Well that one is not an opinion, peope who watch porn and like it are perverts that is a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Well that one is not an opinion, peope who watch porn and like it are perverts that is a fact. Pervert: A person whose sexual behaviour is regarded as abnormal and unacceptable. (English Oxford Dictionary) Now give me one good argument for affirming that anyone that watches and likes porn has an abnormal and unacceptable sexual behavior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmsful Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 Well I don't know if it was mentioned before but the solution from my point of view is to do what Katawa Shoujo did The skipping H scenes option , it was so good and so useful especially since I am not a fan of H scenes All games should do that, but well tbh they aren't necessary at all as long as they don't affect the storyline , for example they affect the storyline in fate so they are necessary in fate and so one However there are perverts who want VNs with H scenes , I don't really mind and it is easy for us to avoid them , just (make sure you have checked the option of skipping read text) skip all the scenes So I don't think they need to change anything in the industry And I for one can't stand H scenes, I can't go through many of them, my mentality can't keep up, it has been that way even with porn So they don't need to change anything as I said before babiker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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