Darood Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Did the h-scence between Saber, shirou and Toshaka ruined the romance between shirou and saber for you? It did for me, in fact it made me angry. I put so much time into this expecting awesome character development and how Saber's feelings for shirou would change them as a person. All I got was a typical h scence. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a prude as I'm your typical teenage guy but the romance died when Toshaka started getting involved. Did the h-scene annoy you? If so can you explain why, I'm interested to hear your views. I guess my expectations were too high. I watched the anime, savouring the relationship between Saber and Shirou but the h-scence where they were escaping Ilyia ruined it. In fact I'm tempted just to quit(I'm on shiro's route). I'm really interested in hearing your views and opinion so please drop a reply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 I suggest to enjoy the two first arc's to ignore the H-scenes. I had the same feeling as you. Just ignore it and pretend that nothing happened (that what they do to by the way ^^") But way, you heard the explaination : Gotta recharge that magical energy ! *facepalm* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BookwormOtaku Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 I can give you two reasons not to quit: Unlimited Blade Works and Heaven's Feel. They blow the Fate scenario's story out of the water in comparison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darood Posted January 2, 2014 Author Share Posted January 2, 2014 Unlimited Blade Works and Heavens feel, are they different routes than Shirou's route? I keep hearing those terms but I'm too frightful to google it in case it spoils something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Sex =/= romance. I don't think Tohsaka being there in this scene had any relevance in their relationship. Though tbh, I didn't read F/SN for the romance. Unlimited Blade Works and Heavens feel, are they different routes than Shirou's route? I keep hearing those terms but I'm too frightful to google it in case it spoils something. Basically, what you're playing right now is Saber's route. After you complete it, you'll unlock choices that will allow you to play UBW, which is Rin's route. After that you'll again unlock the possibility to go into Heaven's Feel, which is Sakura's route. Both are, plot-wise, better than the Fate route (which is the one that was adapted into anime). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniel Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Saber's H scenes are horrible. She goes from being a strong willed girl who has the characteristic burden of being a king to some weak girl who wants the D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Yeah, she wants the D ... King Arthur huh ? But Wasn't Unlimited blade works the route that was animated ? I didn't watch but talking with people who did it seemed that way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darood Posted January 2, 2014 Author Share Posted January 2, 2014 I guess you're right mae but even if I skip it the image remains in my head. What attracted me to fate stay night was how strong Saber was now that is gone I feel lost /: I love visual novels with strong female characters, a rarity that I acknowledge. My god do not get me started on Yuele from Kamidori Alchemist Meister, I gave up on that. Why is it that all strong female characters become weak and cliche in visual novels? It usually ends with them wanting the D. Wouldn't it be a better idea if the weaker male protagonist became a badass, inspired by the strong female? I don't mean becoming all Goku but becoming level headed and strong socially instead of the CLICHE NICE GUY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albedo Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Wouldn't it be a better idea if the weaker male protagonist became a badass, inspired by the strong female? I don't mean becoming all Goku but becoming level headed and strong socially instead of the CLICHE NICE GUY Well, there are a couple of VNs where the main character is inspired/relies on women who don't suddenly turn into delicate flowers who want nothing but to get some dicking, right now. Steins;Gate, Muv Luv Unlimited/Alternative (yes, despite the fanservice suits), 999, G-Senjou (for the most part) and maybe Ryukishi07's stuff come to mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Steins;gate ? Steins;gate is all ages Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BookwormOtaku Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Wouldn't it be a better idea if the weaker male protagonist became a badass, inspired by the strong female? I don't mean becoming all Goku but becoming level headed and strong socially instead of the CLICHE NICE GUY That's kind of what happens in UBW Yeah, she wants the D ... King Arthur huh ? But Wasn't Unlimited blade works the route that was animated ? I didn't watch but talking with people who did it seemed that way The TV series followed Fate with a couple nods to the other two routes, UBW was made into an animated movie. There is another TV series in the works which some believe is supposed to follow Heaven's Feel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceAttorney Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Yeah, I really disliked that scene as well. The H-scenes in the first two routes are totally uneccessary and actually pretty OOC for the those routes' heroines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krill Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 i actually didn't mind that scene . it wasn't romantic but it wasn't written to be romantic it was utilitarian they had a desperate situation on there hand and circumstances involved caused rin to force shiros bitch ass to actually do what needed to be done rather than over complicating it with emotion concerns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukiru Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 just ignore, it's probably nothing but merchandise, Fate was my favorite route, and heaven's feel my least favorite route, keep going just to read the other two routes won't' necessarily make you like F/SN, but the epic endings worth the H. H obviously mean hype~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flutterz Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 I'm not a prude as I'm your typical teenage guy but the romance died when Toshaka started getting involved. "I'm not x, but..." statements are usually followed by something that an x-person would say. Just sayin'. But yeah, that h-scene was annoying to say the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wahfuu Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 You should probably forget that F/SN even has H. It's better for the soul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tay Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Darood, Did you finish the Fate route yet, or are you still playing? The route itself addresses (in part) your frustration. Saber and Shirou have to grow (a lot) after that first h-scene, and their relationship (both as master/servant (non-romantic), and as lovers) grows substantially. One thing we have in common is we found strong female leads to be one of the most appealing aspects of the game. As you continue in the Fate route (as well as in UBW and HF), I think you'll find (as did I) that relationship issues (like having Rin in the first h-scene) is part of a running commentary on war, and not because the story is minimizing the women or their relationships. The authors work hard to put redeeming, intimate scenes later in the arcs, but use early content to stress the dire circumstances of the HGW. (I'm not a fan of h-scenes, and a lot of people hate F/SN's h-scenes, but the narrative intent is there) My advice is to not get discouraged. I lean pretty heavily towards feminism, and while F/SN has its problems, Shirou and Saber do grow to have a quality relationship. Don't give up on them yet. Sieg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoshizora Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 As most people have been saying, I recommend you continue reading FS/N! Unlimited Blade Works and Heaven's Feel are really really good and will probably leave you a little broken inside. Personally, the Fate route was my least favorite but even so, there is no way that route is in anyway bad. The other 2 routes are just that good! (Btw, Heaven's Feel, i feel has a lot of unnecessary H-scenes>_<) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaguya Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Saber's H scene happens before her first affection check- that by itself shows how much the characters have to grow, since that would happen regardless of her feelings. Keep reading, UBW and HF are awesome but Fate is good too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattstax Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Hey Darood, I feel with you. I had the same reaction to this scene - totally found me off-guard because of its OOC. I honestly didn't expect anything like that so "early" in the game and under these circunstances, being chased and what not. I am currently put the game on hold and started another one to get these Images out of my mind. Skipping those scenes is nice but the frustration of its uselessness stays in my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukiru Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Hey Darood, I feel with you. I had the same reaction to this scene - totally found me off-guard because of its OOC. I honestly didn't expect anything like that so "early" in the game and under these circunstances, being chased and what not. I am currently put the game on hold and started another one to get these Images out of my mind. Skipping those scenes is nice but the frustration of its uselessness stays in my mind. I totally saw it coming. Too bad you put it on hold, if you put the unreasonable h-content aside F/SN is close to a masterpiece imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattstax Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 I totally saw it coming. Too bad you put it on hold, if you put the unreasonable h-content aside F/SN is close to a masterpiece imo. Don't worry. I will continue it sometime. The rest of the story so far was excellent. And that is what counts for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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