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2 hours ago, GuyInDogSuit said:

There's an option in the game to unlock them automatically....

Don't use that option. It will fill out the entire CG gallery. The H-scenes will unlock one after the other at the end of each character route.

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16 minutes ago, Deovan said:

Is it only possible to view the H-Scenes through the "View Scenes" tab?
Because i've completed Hachirokus route but i haven't been introduced to a single H-Scene, is it the same in the japanese version?

Yes. There are no H scenes in the story main. Hachiroku's first H scene is unlocked (and chronologically occurs) after the next-to-last scene. The second one unlocks after the end of the route and the others unlock as the previous ones are completed. 

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3 minutes ago, Hiashi said:

Yes. There are no H scenes in the story main. Hachiroku's first H scene is unlocked (and chronologically occurs) after the next-to-last scene. The second one unlocks after the end of the route and the others unlock as the previous ones are completed. 

I see... Bummer that i finished her route without watching one of them, but oh well. Thanks for answering! :)

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2 hours ago, Rulez5150 said:

Shame with all the censorship and mosaics in these games, kinda ruins it for me  

Mosaics and censoring of genitals are in all forms of Japanese porn

 

1 hour ago, Deovan said:

Is it only possible to view the H-Scenes through the "View Scenes" tab?
Because i've completed Hachirokus route but i haven't been introduced to a single H-Scene, is it the same in the japanese version?

It's the same in Japanese ver, all the H scenes take place after their routes and unlock next one after reading through each one.

For Hachiroku's route the first one is after her route since, and you know this because of how soutetsu addresses Hachiroku as the name he gives to her.

The only one H scene that does take place during the story that I can remember is for hibiki's route but its like 2 chapters before the last one

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3 hours ago, gman12 said:

Mosaics and censoring of genitals are in all forms of Japanese porn

Yes but many many English localisations have decensored versions of VNs. Seems that practice took too much effort and/or cost and they've given up bothering now?

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36 minutes ago, ittaku said:

Yes but many many English localisations have decensored versions of VNs. Seems that practice took too much effort and/or cost and they've given up bothering now?

Not that many, but quite a few. The Japanese law concerning censorship is vague and antiquated, but no lawmaker has taken the time to amend or discard it. Probably because nobody wants to go down in the history books as the guy that removed the mosaics on animated genitals.

That law doesn't exist in the West, so there's no issue if localizers decided to decensor the scenes. In fact, it's one of the few ways a localized release can be made superior in my opinion.

But if an uncensored localized release found its way back to Japan, that would technically be illegal to possess.

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29 minutes ago, ittaku said:

Yes but many many English localisations have decensored versions of VNs. Seems that practice took too much effort and/or cost and they've given up bothering now?

I'm not aware of any official localization with de-censored HCGs. A number of them have used pre-censored versions of the HCGs. In other words it's a question of getting existing images from the developer. When pixel blur is used in an English release, the reason is most likely that the original pre-censored images have been lost or drawn horribly because nobody will see anyway. One approach is to not draw anything at all and then just add severe pixel blur and the viewers will assume there is something. Think about it this way: why should an artist spend time on something, which the customer won't see anyway? Do you want 10 HCG with nice graphics behind the pixel blur or do you want 11 made in the same time without anything worth watching behind the pixel blur? For many Japanese developers the answer to this is fairly simple, particularly if western licensing seems unrealistic at the time.

In other words official localization will try to get uncensored images if they are available, but lack of access to those will not prevent a title from getting an official western release.

1 minute ago, Hiashi said:

But if an uncensored localized release found its way back to Japan, that would technically be illegal to possess.

No, the law requiring censoring affects published material. You are free to have uncensored images in your house as long as you do not do any kind of publishing. Shooting a porn movie would be impossible with a complete ban. They record uncensored and then they edit it to become censored. There is no ban on the internal uncensored version as long as it stays internal.

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5 minutes ago, Hiashi said:

Not that many, but quite a few. The Japanese law concerning censorship is vague and antiquated, but no lawmaker has taken the time to amend or discard it. Probably because nobody wants to go down in the history books as the guy that removed the mosaics on animated genitals.

That law doesn't exist in the West, so there's no issue if localizers decided to decensor the scenes. In fact, it's one of the few ways a localized release can be made superior in my opinion.

But if an uncensored localized release found its way back to Japan, that would technically be illegal to possess.

Btw what is the actual law, just searching quickly on google what I found was someone saying it is likely due to article 175 forbidding distribution of indecent material and that they just defined indecent as something showing genetalia so get around the anti porn laws. Honestly I wonder how strong these laws actually are in reality. I wonder if they just follow the extreemly vague laws due to the stigma in Japan against doing something wrong. Well I am not too knowledgeable about the subject so if anyone know more about how the law that makes it so that they have to censor genetalia it would be nice to hear.

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2 minutes ago, bakauchuujin said:

Honestly I wonder how strong these laws actually are in reality.

Some female artist made a boat shaped after her own genitalia (referred to as the pussy boat) and she got arrested.

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If convicted of distributing or holding obscene images for the purposes of selling, Igarashi could face up to two years in prison and a fine of up to £13,400 (2.5m Yen).

Japan is apparently working really hard to make sure the general population will have no idea what genitals look like.

 

This talk has nothing to do with the Maitetsu patch. I propose splitting the thread into two in order to keep the patch thread dedicated to the actual patch and not debating Japanese laws.

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6 minutes ago, tymmur said:

 

No, the law requiring censoring affects published material. You are free to have uncensored images in your house as long as you do not do any kind of publishing. Shooting a porn movie would be impossible with a complete ban. They record uncensored and then they edit it to become censored. There is no ban on the internal uncensored version as long as it stays internal.

You're right. I should have said 'distributing' rather than 'possessing'

 

3 minutes ago, bakauchuujin said:

Btw what is the actual law, just searching quickly on google what I found was someone saying it is likely due to article 175 forbidding distribution of indecent material and that they just defined indecent as something showing genetalia so get around the anti porn laws. Honestly I wonder how strong these laws actually are in reality. I wonder if they just follow the extreemly vague laws due to the stigma in Japan against doing something wrong. Well I am not too knowledgeable about the subject so if anyone know more about how the law that makes it so that they have to censor genetalia it would be nice to hear.

That's pretty much it. There have been only a few cases where Article 175 came into play, one of them being in 2004 when a publisher was arrested for distributing comics with uncensored sex scenes, but erotic images and CGs are given mosaics and censors by common practice.

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26 minutes ago, tymmur said:

I'm not aware of any official localization with de-censored HCGs. A number of them have used pre-censored versions of the HCGs. In other words it's a question of getting existing images from the developer. When pixel blur is used in an English release, the reason is most likely that the original pre-censored images have been lost or drawn horribly because nobody will see anyway. One approach is to not draw anything at all and then just add severe pixel blur and the viewers will assume there is something. Think about it this way: why should an artist spend time on something, which the customer won't see anyway? Do you want 10 HCG with nice graphics behind the pixel blur or do you want 11 made in the same time without anything worth watching behind the pixel blur? For many Japanese developers the answer to this is fairly simple, particularly if western licensing seems unrealistic at the time.

In other words official localization will try to get uncensored images if they are available, but lack of access to those will not prevent a title from getting an official western release.

That's not correct either. Where possible, you are right, they do try to get pre-censored images from the original devs but they're not always available. There are actual de-censored HCGs in some releases. I'm no repository of information to give you examples unfortunately but they definitely exist. They pay their own artists to draw in stuff just like we do on our amateur fan releases.

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14 minutes ago, tymmur said:

Some female artist made a boat shaped after her own genitalia (referred to as the pussy boat) and she got arrested.

I wonder about something, don't they have dildos in Japan shaped like penises? Are they unaffected by the law or do they simply not have them? From what I remember Kisara in Eroge Sex and Games Make Sexy Games looked at a dildo for how to draw a penis for their Eroge.

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7 minutes ago, bakauchuujin said:

I wonder about something, don't they have dildos in Japan shaped like penises? Are they unaffected by the law or do they simply not have them? From what I remember Kisara in Eroge Sex and Games Make Sexy Games looked at a dildo for how to draw a penis for their Eroge.

At the various places I visited in Akihabara, I noted lots of anatomically correct sculpted things for various uses, and any artificially added protrusions were there for a different purpose, not censorship...

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1 hour ago, Stormwolf said:

Its better with mosaics than shitty drawings with different art and colours which looks like its been plastered on as an afterthought.

Oooh I like how you see it like that, now that I think about it I sort of agree with you on the mosaics. However even looking at Maitetsu, I just think there too Heavy and cover up too much 

 

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40 minutes ago, The Big Nasty said:

So on the fakku 18+ DLC page there are screen shots. One of which is Hachiroku and Sotetsu sitting back to back in the bath. The dialogue from the screen shot never came up in the game. I am using the steam patch 1.3 and the CGs/sprites are uncensored. However, as I think it was mentioned before, it is because some dialogue is censored out (due to SP's mistakes). Is there a current fix for it?

If you are right about this missing line, it begs the question: where is the screenshot from? If it contains a line, which isn't in the released version, then how was the screenshot made? I assume it's a real screenshot (no photoshop because that would make no sense at all), then how many versions exist and why is it is at least one version, but not the released version?

I really hope either this claim is incorrect or it turns out to be a trivial bug in the patch because I don't want to think through what it means if we are presented with fake screenshots.

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22 minutes ago, tymmur said:

If you are right about this missing line, it begs the question: where is the screenshot from? If it contains a line, which isn't in the released version, then how was the screenshot made? I assume it's a real screenshot (no photoshop because that would make no sense at all), then how many versions exist and why is it is at least one version, but not the released version?

I really hope either this claim is incorrect or it turns out to be a trivial bug in the patch because I don't want to think through what it means if we are presented with fake screenshots.

I wasn't right. It came up later. The more unique CGs haven't typically repeated. But it did and came up. My particular concern is invalid.

Sorry.

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I'm working on a uncensoring patch for the game. For now just one scene. 

The scene in question is 

(* the actual ingame picture is uncensored *)

Please leave comments/critics/ how do you like it or don't.

 

Download: https://ufile.io/ntngt

 

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4 hours ago, HoplessHiro said:

I'm working on a uncensoring patch for the game. For now just one scene. 

The scene in question is 

  Reveal hidden contents

(* the actual ingame picture is uncensored *)

Please leave comments/critics/ how do you like it or don't.

 

Download: https://ufile.io/ntngt

 

There’s nothing to criticize. You have my sincerest of blessings for doing this, which SP really should have done for their release anyway.

I look forward to using your completed patch.

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