Ouraibaa Hjyuraa Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 With effort I have bigger chance to win than without it. For what is effort without reward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jun Inoue Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 With effort I have bigger chance to win than without it. Not against true talent. Manga and anime lie. For what is effort without reward. The real world? Hue hueeeeeeee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Bucket Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cofee Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 For what is effort without reward. Talent without effort to utilise it is same as buried treasure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouraibaa Hjyuraa Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Talent without effort to utilise it is same as buried treasure. Effort without talent to take it further is the same as trying to dig up a treasure beneath a mountain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cofee Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Effort without talent to take it further is the same as trying to dig up a treasure beneath a mountain. In conclusion, to be sucessful you need both of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouraibaa Hjyuraa Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 In conclusion, to be sucessful you need both of them. Not really. To be successful is neither to bury the treasure nor dig it up. To be successful is to be able to get others to do it for you. In the end, cunning is worth more than any effort or talent. Nahichun 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cofee Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Not really. To be successful is neither to bury the treasure nor dig it up. To be successful is to be able to get others to do it for you. In the end, cunning is worth more than any effort or talent. Disappointing answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouraibaa Hjyuraa Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Disappointing answer. True nonetheless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHS88 Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 While cunning is a mental faculty through which one can surely attain success, you would still need to exude actual effort in order to get other people to do thy biding via schemes, plans, subterfuge, manipulation and so on. God given talent is a blessing but without effort (hard work) all the talent in the world is a wasted gift at best. However, without passion (heart) to drive you to exert effort and make use of one's talent, you got nothing, since one would lack the determination to follow through with one's plans. Luck, as a factor, should never be discounted as well. In conclusion talent+effort+drive+luck. ( : P.S. I just happened to come across this forum because of the majikoi translation situation, but this conversation enticed me to join the forum add my 2 cents. Hope I didn't overstep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklord13 Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 True nonetheless. True but using such tactics to get the reward is Immoral and wrong(not to say that you need the talent to deceive people and you also have to put in effort to a certain level). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklord13 Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 While cunning is a mental faculty through which one can surely attain success, you would still need to exude actual effort in order to get other people to do thy biding via schemes, plans, subterfuge, manipulation and so on. God given talent is a blessing but without effort (hard work) all the talent in the world is a wasted gift at best. However, without passion (heart) to drive you to exert effort and make use of one's talent, you got nothing, since one would lack the determination to follow through with one's plans. Luck, as a factor, should never be discounted as well. In conclusion talent+effort+drive+luck. ( : P.S. I just happened to come across this forum because of the majikoi translation situation, but this conversation enticed me to join the forum add my 2 cents. Hope I didn't overstep. Effort and Drive are the same thing,and luck isn't needed(assuming nothing goes wrong) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouraibaa Hjyuraa Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 True but using such tactics to get the reward is Immoral and wrong(not to say that you need the talent to deceive people and you also have to put in effort to a certain level). That's like saying it's the scammers fault if people let themselves be scammed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouraibaa Hjyuraa Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Effort and Drive are the same thing,and luck isn't needed(assuming nothing goes wrong) Effort and Drive are not the same thing, you just need drive in order to exercise any effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouraibaa Hjyuraa Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Anyone know when Nahichun is gonna stop lurking and show his face? I see him there on the list of users reading this topic, and he gives me a like whenever I say something truly profound. Nahichun 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklord13 Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Effort and Drive are not the same thing, you just need drive in order to exercise any effort. But there literally CAN'T be any effort without drive.Saying that you need to put effort into a thing automatically includes drive,otherwise you would be mistaken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DimDito Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 My, my, left for 4 hours and got 67 notifications from here only? Welcome back Miyako thread~ and welcome to all its new members. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jun Inoue Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 That's like saying it's the scammers fault if people let themselves be scammed. Well... of course? People being gullible doesn't make scams any less illegal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurisu-Chan Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 I'm just free roaming through all threads, not like i'll stop here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapid motion Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Anyone know when Nahichun is gonna stop lurking and show his face? I see him there on the list of users reading this topic, and he gives me a like whenever I say something truly profound. Haha ^^ Now it'll be only a matter of time, till he shows up, from what I know of him Nahichun 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHS88 Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Sry DarkLord, I have to agree and disagree with you there. While effort and drive do go hand in hand, they are not one and the same. Drive is defined as "an innate, biologically determined urge to attain a goal or satisfy a need" effort is defined as "physical or mental activity needed to achieve something". Drive is the burning desire in one's heart or mind for something, effort is a means to an end. How much effort is needed, depends on talent and luck. And yes you wouldn't need luck as long as everything went to plan. Now let me ask you, how often do plans go off without a hitch? : D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHS88 Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 (edited) is there a delete for double post? sry edit: an offering as DimDito instructed : ) Edited July 22, 2014 by IHS88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Poltroon Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 is there a delete for double post? sry I don't think there is, mate. You'll be forced to live with your mistake for all of eternity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklord13 Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Sry DarkLord, I have to agree and disagree with you there. While effort and drive do go hand in hand, they are not one and the same. Drive is defined as "an innate, biologically determined urge to attain a goal or satisfy a need" effort is defined as "physical or mental activity needed to achieve something". Drive is the burning desire in one's heart or mind for something, effort is a means to an end. How much effort is needed, depends on talent and luck. And yes you wouldn't need luck as long as everything went to plan. Now let me ask you, how often do plans go off without a hitch? : D I knew that but saying that you need effort and drive to achieve something makes no sense,since if you say you need one thing you automatically include the other too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jun Inoue Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 I'm just free roaming through all threads, not like i'll stop here. "It's not as if I like you guys... b-baka!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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