OriginalRen Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 I am now ranting on stream. Please watch if you want to feel my anger about games and shit. I will also be talking about some YouTube channel updates. I will also sing songs if people want me to. Spend time with me...I'm lonely. Channel: http://www.hitbox.tv/originalrenfuwanovel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuuko Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 No rants about Hoshimemo anymore pls? Not sure if I can watch this. My internet seems to be kinda dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flutterz Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 By the way, any opinions you have about VNs are invalid because you don't make VNs ExtraMana and firecat 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OriginalRen Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share Posted September 3, 2015 By the way, any opinions you have about VNs are invalid because you don't make VNs Your example was literally the exact opposite of my point. All you ever do is argue how I'm wrong about everything anyways in every single rant I ever make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flutterz Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Your example was literally the exact opposite of my point. All you ever do is argue how I'm wrong about everything anyways in every single rant I ever make. I guess you're right, because I'm an introvert I don't realize that the best way to introduce a newcomer to VNs is by showing them Saya no Uta, I mean, it's a great VN and they're going to find out about it eventually, why hide it? Better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OriginalRen Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share Posted September 3, 2015 I guess you're right, because I'm an introvert I don't realize that the best way to introduce a newcomer to VNs is by showing them Saya no Uta, I mean, it's a great VN and they're going to find out about it eventually, why hide it? Better? You used scat as your example if I recall correctly, hence you were using porn as the example when I stated originally that you shouldn't share sexual fetishes with others unless you know the person or something. Showing a person Cocoro@Function! is not showing them porn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flutterz Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 You used scat as your example if I recall correctly, hence you were using porn as the example when I stated originally that you shouldn't share sexual fetishes with others unless you know the person or something. Showing a person Cocoro@Function! is not showing them porn. I used scat because the point was the same, you don't start by showing a person the weirdest shit something has to offer, you start them off with with something more conventional. Just like you wouldn't show someone who has never seen porn before scat, you show people something like Katawa Shoujo first because odds are if they start with Saya no Uta they'll drop it at the first H-scene and never look back. Sure, some people might start with Saya no Uta and love it, but do you really want to take that bet? And I don't know how you think showing someone Cocoro@Function, part of which was meant for people to masturbate to, doesn't count as showing them porn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OriginalRen Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share Posted September 3, 2015 I used scat because the point was the same, you don't start by showing a person the weirdest shit something has to offer, you start them off with with something more conventional. Just like you wouldn't show someone who has never seen porn before scat, you show people something like Katawa Shoujo first because odds are if they start with Saya no Uta they'll drop it at the first H-scene and never look back. Sure, some people might start with Saya no Uta and love it, but do you really want to take that bet? And I don't know how you think showing someone Cocoro@Function, part of which was meant for people to masturbate to, doesn't count as showing them porn. Because it's not directing them at the porn itself. Showing a person scat is diving them right into a sexual fetish, while showing a person Cocoro@Function! (while it has porn) isn't drawing attention to it. In other words, you normally don't tell someone to watch GoT for the porn even though it has porn in it. As for your other point, I wouldn't show someone Saya no Uta because I thought it was weird, I would show them Saya no Uta because it's my favorite game. So yes, I would start people with a game I love the most. At the end of the day, if you truly like visual novels, you'll learn to look past the crap you might not like and try finding new games. If that game alone turns them away from an entire genre of many other games, well then they probably shouldn't be a VN fan in the 1st place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narcosis Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Are you for real, guys? Don't forget kids are still reading these forums It was nice listening to your rants, as usual; high ammounts of salt guaranteed. I may not entirely agree with you on everything, but you made a couple of valid points regarding western publishers, shady business practices and issues of paid fan translation vs. professional translation (which again, doesn't really exist). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rose Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Wish I could have stayed here to watch it all. ): Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flutterz Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Because it's not directing them at the porn itself. Showing a person scat is diving them right into a sexual fetish, while showing a person Cocoro@Function! (while it has porn) isn't drawing attention to it. In other words, you normally don't tell someone to watch GoT for the porn even though it has porn in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keisuke Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Awww, I missed another Ren Rant™? Please tell me you'll be doing a weekend rant sometime soon. I keep missing all the good stuff during the weekdays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eclipsed Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Blind post here The first VN(englishtranslated), or "starter VN", that anybody should ever read upon being introduced to the genre can be divided into multiple categories depending on their affinity For those who desire the moe: Kono Sora Hoshizora no Memoria Princess Evangile For those who desire the tears: Any Key For those who desire the Dragon Ball Z buff-guy-actiony plot > hot 2D grills: Steins;Gate Muv-Luv Trio Fate/Stay For those who desire the All Arounds: Katawa Shoujo Grisaia no Kajitsu Majikoi Sharin no Kuni Rewrite For those who desire the Mysteries of Thrillers and Possibly Horrors Saya no Uta Umineko Kara no Shoujo G-Senjou no Maou Chaos;Head Chronopolis 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExtraMana Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 I'll take my popcorn with extra salt please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arakura Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Not sure I agree with flutterz on the "anything with pornographic content is porn" line... The idea behind porn is to get you aroused, but not all pornographic content (would it be clearer if I called them lewd scenes? Probably.) is for that purpose. Sometimes it's for character development or just because that happens to be a very usual part of life in some settings. I haven't seen GoT but I assume it's not there to get you hot. Like I said, "pornographic content" is probably a misnomer in some of these cases. Plus, because something had degrees of intensity does not mean we can't and don't draw lines on them, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flutterz Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Not sure I agree with flutterz on the "anything with pornographic content is porn" line... The idea behind porn is to get you aroused, but not all pornographic content (would it be clearer if I called them lewd scenes? Probably.) is for that purpose. Sometimes it's for character development or just because that happens to be a very usual part of life in some settings. I haven't seen GoT but I assume it's not there to get you hot. Like I said, "pornographic content" is probably a misnomer in some of these cases. Plus, because something had degrees of intensity does not mean we can't and don't draw lines on them, right? Well yeah, but if someone says they really don't like seeing porn for whatever reason, you're not going to show them GoT and say it's not really porn, are you? I mean, you'd be right, but at the same time that won't stop them from seeing it as porn and disliking it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arakura Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 People will be people ~.~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solidbatman Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 You're all fucking wrong. Not sure what the argument is in here, but you're all still wrong. ExtraMana, Kosakyun and Flutterz 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arakura Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 You're so cool, Batman! I wish I could be like you. Course these hands and their tiny fingers! I can't fly like this! You all right, ren? Sorry I missed yet another steam /: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solidbatman Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 You're so cool, Batman! I wish I could be like you. Course these hands and their tiny fingers! I can't fly like this! You all right, ren? Sorry I missed yet another steam /: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklord Rooke Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Bah, all the cool kids are doing weed Batsasaurus. Alcohol is so 90s Rose 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosakyun Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Blind post here Okay Eclipsed, time for the big question. How many of these VNs did you actually finish? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eclipsed Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Okay Eclipsed, time for the big question. How many of these VNs did you actually finish? Kosakyun 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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