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Here ya go: http://web.archive.org/web/20130902161758/http://visualnovelaer.fuwanovel.net/2013/03/da-capo-iii-fan-translation-cease-desisted-by-mangagamer/

 

Feel free to copy and paste it somewhere and immortalize Aaeru's rant.

 

This is the video she posted in the article btw (web archive still had the ID but can't seem to embed it):

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I'd love to link to this but as Palas pointed out, the image graffiti seriously defaces the post.

 

 

I might be able to restore the old aaeru blog post about dc3's tl getting za C&D, but I'm not sure if it's a great idea. Well, I could always just let you mirror it somehow...

 

...but lazy.

I'd appreciate that.  And if the images are still corrupted, just remove them.

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Actually managed to find the correct image URLs :)

These were in the code but for some reason web archive grabbed some random images

First image: http://i.imgur.com/oLrjBzm.jpg

The other one: http://i.imgur.com/6a6Hmvg.jpg

 

So yeah Zaka, get to making a new post :Kappa:

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Aaeru's 2-year-old rant on Da capo 3 being C&D'd would make for great front page news.  I wonder how many people would comment thinking this was breaking news?  Also keep in mind that the comments are where most of the "action" is in that article.

 

For the time being, I edited the web archive link into my sourced 2013 post, and also included a link in the post in this thread where I first mentioned Episode 2.

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Essentially back when we were going legit Tay block put in trash (but didn't actually delete) a fuckload of aaeru's old posts since they might contain link to torrents etc. Looks like he went through those now and deleted anything that had that kind of content... and maybe a bit more. Either that or something else happened, wee...

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It's a part of a Fuwanovel's history though.  That's like saying we should omit mention of slavery from American history books because that's not how we want to be viewed as a society today.  Even if one day I were to change my mind and I decide I love MoeNovel, Yumina the Ethereal was the worst game ever, and JAST deserved to die for censoring Shiny Days, the articles I've written shouldn't be taken down just because I no longer agree with them.

That's one thing.

But do you plan on publishing them again as if they were new articles? Even if you mention that they are old articles that's still bloody confusing.

 

If you plan to repost them in some manner that does not give the perception that they are new or represent today's views then I have no objections.

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I'd post it backdated if I even decided to, but I'm not sure if it really needs to be around. I do think it's part of history though, so eh. Hopefully whatever autoposting Tay has set up can be disabled in that case, lol.

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It's a part of a Fuwanovel's history though.  That's like saying we should omit mention of slavery from American history books because that's not how we want to be viewed as a society today.  Even if one day I were to change my mind and I decide I love MoeNovel, Yumina the Ethereal was the worst game ever, and JAST deserved to die for censoring Shiny Days, the articles I've written shouldn't be taken down just because I no longer agree with them.

Copyright law and slavery shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence. Its one thing to have it on the forums and talk about it, but there is no reason in hell it needs to go up on what is a brand new blog with brand new owners and brand new leadership and is not something that needs to be placed up to confuse readers. Should that article ever go back up on the blog, my ass will leave this site never to return. Remembering it and discussing it here is fine. Putting it back on the blog, where many readers are new and don't understand the context is a recipe for disaster.

 

We are looking forward, and should not be taking a step back to stroke your ego. 

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@Zaka: Ideologies aside, there's no way to contact Aaeru and get her permission to post it on the blog. I don't mind it being public (it actually -- and possibly unintentionally -- references the discussions she and I had about changing Fuwa's direction), but posting it on the new blog after all that's happened and without her express permission would be in very, very poor taste.

 

EDIT: If you really want it to be public, I'd prefer you copy/paste it here or a forums blog. That said, I (personal opinion now) still don't feel good about having it posted without her permission.

 

(My real reply to this topic will come later. Lots of memories and lots of smiles so far : D )

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Considering her views on copyright I think the permission thing seems a bit silly, but whatever. Doesn't really matter to me either way.
 
If anyone wants the draft Nosebleed did to mirror the content in some other way, I'll just add the HTML here. Don't open the spoiler unless you like reams of text. Comments aren't going to be preserved in this though.
 

<img class="alignnone" src="http://i.imgur.com/oLrjBzm.jpg" alt="" width="1022" height="460" />

Got a letter from Gerald F, attorney in Greenvile, Delaware, writing on behalf of <strong>Mangagamer</strong>, + its parent company Japan Animation Contents, Inc., and the creative group Circus. I am requested to cease all translation efforts immediately (done), and remove uploads of Da Capo III (done) or any other MG titles (of which I have none).

He was actually reasonably nice, bothering to provide a moral argument in his case. “However you may or may not feel about copyright, it is clear from your postings that you hold Circus and their works in high esteem, as you wish to see their works available to a larger audience; indeed, the stated purpose of Fuwanovel is “Make visual novels popular in the West”. But by acting to undercut their sales, you are injuring the very group that produces the visual novels you so enjoy.” His argument is the, “artists have to eat, and art costs money to make.“ line of thought (although it is a little more nuanced than that).

Since he was graceful enough to provide a moral argument to lowly me, I also made my own arguments back at him. Not using the following words. But these are the ideas I used in my argument {but modified for this post}.

Firstly. <strong>Will we at last do away with this myth that copyright exists to help artist eat?</strong>
<blockquote><i><img src="http://web.archive.org/web/20130902161758im_/http://i.imgur.com/ajBeLST.png" alt="" width="80" height="80" align="right" />Lydia Pallas Loren, </i><i>Professor of Law, Northwestern School of Law of Lewis &amp; Clark College: </i>
“Far too many people, including lawyers, have major misconceptions concerning copyright. These misconceptions are causing a dangerous shift in copyright protection, a shift that threatens the advancement of knowledge and learning in this country. This shift that we are experiencing in copyright law reflects a move away from viewing copyright as a monopoly that the public is <em>willing </em>to tolerate in order to encourage innovation and creation of new works to viewing copyright as a significant asset to this country’s economy. The most recent example of this shift is the new Digital Millennium Copyright Act, sign by the President on October 28, 1998.

Understanding the root cause and the dangers of this shift requires exposing the most fundamental and most common misconception concerning the underlying purpose of the monopoly granted by our copyright law. The primary purpose of copyright<strong> is not</strong>, as many people believe, to protect authors against those who would steal the fruits of their labor. However, this misconception, repeated so often that it has become accepted among the public as true, poses serious dangers to the core purpose that copyright law is designed to serve. The core purpose of copyright law is not difficult to find; it is stated expressly in the Constitution. Article I, section 8, clause 8 of the United States Constitution, Congress shall have the power: “to promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries”….

….The exclusive rights that are granted to authors are “to promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts.” To fully appreciate this clause, one must understand “science” in its eighteenth century meaning. At the time of the writing of the Constitution “science” denoted, broadly, knowledge and learning. So the core purpose of copyright law, as expressly stated in the Constitution is: to promote the progress of knowledge and learning.” – Lydia Loren [<a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20130902161758/http://open-spaces.com/article-v2n1-loren.php/">The purpose of copyright</a>]</blockquote>
This is acknowledged in present day courts.
<blockquote><strong>“US Federal Court of Appeals (8th Circuit), in 2012:</strong>
“Congress’s protection of copyrights is not a “special private benefit,” but is meant to achieve an important public interest: “to motivate the creative activity of authors and inventors by the provision of a special reward, and to allow the public access to the products of their genius after the limited period of exclusive control has expired.” [<a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20130902161758/http://www.ca8.uscourts.gov/opndir/12/09/112820P.pdf">ca8.uscourts.gov</a>]</blockquote>
<blockquote><strong>US Congress:</strong> “The granting of such exclusive rights [copyrights] under the proper terms and conditions, cofers a benefit upon the public that outweighs the evils of the temporary monopoly.“ <em>H.R. Rep no.2222, 60th Cong., 2nd Sess.7 (1909).</em></blockquote>
House Republicans say the same in a document published Nov 2012 titled <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20130902161758/http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121116/16481921080/house-republicans-copyright-law-destroys-markets-its-time-real-reform.shtml">Three Myths About Copyright Law and Where to Start to Fix it.</a> Point number one is:
<blockquote>1) That the purpose of copyright is to compensate the creator? <strong>No.</strong> it correctly notes, it’s about benefiting the public:
<ul>
    <li><i>Thus, according to the Constitution, the overriding purpose of the copyright system is to “promote the progress of science and useful arts.” In today’s terminology we may say that the purpose is to lead to maximum productivity and innovation.</i></li>
</ul>
</blockquote>
In England where it spawned, copyright is justified on the grounds that it is ‘for the Encouragement of Learning’, <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20130902161758/http://policy.meadholm.com/copyright/">Statute of Anne 1710</a>.

Copyright is an attempt to give a <em>temporary</em> advantage (default 14 yrs) to the artist so as to bribe them into generating materials for the public domain (for the enrichment of everyone). Copyright is <strong>not</strong> for the financial well-being of one group of constituents in society we call Authors. It’s for the people. It is in the hopes that by sacrificing the right to copy and the right to improve on works for <em>everyone on the entire planet</em>, it is HOPED that the monopoly will pay itself off in the form of a larger public domain (and not smaller). That is why the public and its <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20130902161758/http://netforbeginners.about.com/od/weirdwebculture/f/How-Big-Is-the-Internet.htm">1 billion printing presses</a>(as well as 1 billion hands &amp; feet) must all cease activity (and at gun point) so as to have as much artificial scarcity as possible (much to the pleasure of copyright holders for their commercial exploitation), and this is surely, <em>surely</em> the way to expanding the limits of human knowledge &amp; culture!

<img src="http://web.archive.org/web/20130902161758im_/http://puu.sh/2oYbn" alt="" />{end argument I used to MG’s attorney} But the effectiveness of this falsified message of copyright is just astonishing. It’s been <em>dangerously</em> effective.

<strong>In post-napster world,</strong> advances in information-reproduction has made the industrial activity of reproducing information <em>infinitesimally</em> cheap, everyone can run a printshop in their homes. Do you know what happens when almost every person in the country runs a printing press that previously needed Hundreds of thousands of dollars to build? <strong>It creates an abundance.</strong> There is no scarcity or market demand left for the industrial activity of information-reproduction anymore. In fact it makes no sense to try and sell information-reproduction. Even if I charge $5, the bloke down the street with his printing press will do it for free. It means the market price for information-reproduction has been reduced to zero dollars (that is because price of goods tend towards marginal costs given enough time). It means if I sell it, I will probably not succeed. I will probably be outcompeted.But fortunately, human desires never end. They never end. They always desire something.

[embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuxMJ8lnYA4[/embed]

As soon as one scarcity finishes, it opens up the door to every other scarcity that surrounds the one that has now been fulfilled. (that were previously out of reach because the workforce was tied to the old scarcity).
<blockquote><img class="alignnone" src="http://i.imgur.com/6a6Hmvg.jpg" alt="" width="614" height="124" />
{this part edited for improvement} This is a very influential article from 2008<a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20130902161758/http://kk.org/thetechnium/archives/2008/01/better_than_fre.php" rel="nofollow">http://kk.org/thetechnium/archives/2008/01/better_than_fre.php</a> even in the absence of scarcity of copies, you can still make money. Just because the copies have been devalued, it does not mean that there is no business model:</blockquote>
<ul>
    <li>Immediacy (i want it in my folder here as soon as it comes out. I will pay $3).</li>
    <li>Personalization (i want u to record a brand new version of this track <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20130902161758/http://www.techdirt.com/blog/casestudies/articles/20121207/10023821309/musician-mike-doughty-offers-unique-copy-his-new-song-personalized-to-each-buyer-54309.shtml">just for me</a>)</li>
    <li>Support (i want 24/7 support for this piece of software. I want online play.)</li>
    <li>Accessibility (i want it on all my platforms. i want it on smartphone)</li>
    <li>Convenience (i dont want to fiddle with file transfer. u do that for me)</li>
    <li>Embodiment (i want a boxed copy. i want it to line my shelf)</li>
    <li>Generosity (i want it bcuz u are so generous. i like how u sold me $400 worth of games for $25)</li>
    <li>Attention (<a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20130902161758/http://sharingisliberty.wordpress.com/2012/07/30/attention-economy/">http://sharingisliberty.wordpress.com/2012/07/30/attention-economy/</a>)</li>
    <li>Patronage (i <i>want</i> to pay you. i like how 95% of my money goes to u)</li>
    <li>Transparency (i like how u tell me how much u make, other sellers dont tell me this)</li>
    <li>[Aaeru] so when u buy a game from Steam,
[Aaeru] u are not so much buying the game as you are buying the service surrounding the game
[Aaeru] u buy it for the convenience, the findability, the online play, the friends system, the community
[Aaeru] Steam is selling accessibility (i can DL the copy on another comp and play. i dont have to move files around myself)
[Aaeru] Steam has regular discounts. They are generous.
[Aaeru] Steam sells me immediacy (the download is fast and no headache)
[Aaeru] Steam has achievements.
[Aaeru] in fact Gabe newell says he does not consider piracy a problem anymore.
[Aaeru] bcuz he has <i>outcompeted </i>piracy.</li>
</ul>
<img src="http://web.archive.org/web/20130902161758im_/http://puu.sh/2p2Z6" alt="" width="350" height="276" />What Mangagamer is saying by being all gungho with their <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20130902161758/http://blog.mangagamer.org/2013/03/22/website-renewal/">new super-charged DRM</a> and then destroying this piece of fan translation, is that they are declaring in a massively public way that they cannot compete. They cannot compete with people who provide their services faster than they can (Ef – A tales of when?), provide it cheaper than they can, and provide it in nearly the same quality as they can. They cannot compete with people who are willing to do it for free, in which case, their answer is to just destroy the people who do it for free, so that there is less people who do what they do for cheaper, so they can come in and provide those obsolete services. So their answer to their own failed business model, is to make all of us poorer, all of us less cultured, all of us worse off.  And their excuse for doing all of this? Because the people who work for free didn’t pay their <strong>protection money</strong>! [See <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20130902161758/http://falkvinge.net/2013/02/13/five-basic-misconceptions-about-the-copyright-monopoly-and-sharing-of-culture/">falkvinge.net</a>]

<img src="http://web.archive.org/web/20130902161758im_/http://puu.sh/2EvaZ.png" alt="" />If people don’t want to give up their rights to improve on their purchased copy, and then share those improvements to people they want to share it to, then that’s final. If it’s a no then it’s a no. They don’t want to give up their ‘business’ to help your business.  What is this shit where you will have your customer stop, or you will pillage their bank accounts in the form of fines???

<strong>It’s disgusting</strong>.

Your failed business model is none of my problem. I hope you succeed. I will even buy from you if your offers are good. But I am not obliged to help you. It is an insult for you to ask me to look after your company for you. That is utterly none of my business.
<blockquote><a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20130902161758/http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/deed.en_US"><img src="http://web.archive.org/web/20130902161758im_/http://i.creativecommons.org/l/by/3.0/80x15.png" alt="Creative Commons License" /></a>D.C.III Fan Translation by <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20130902161758/https://fuwanovel.net/">Aaeru</a> under Creative Commons Attribution 3.0.
<strong>Cease &amp; Desisted</strong> by Mangagamer. All Progress stopped. 34% at the time of ceasing. RIP
<a title="https://fuwanovel.net/novels/61" href="http://web.archive.org/web/20130902161758/https://fuwanovel.net/novels/61">https://fuwanovel.net/novels/61</a></blockquote>

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Should that article ever go back up on the blog, my ass will leave this site never to return.

 

...

 

We are looking forward, and should not be taking a step back to stroke your ego. 

Before you start pointing fingers at my immaturity, consider that here you've not only launched an unprovoked character attack on me, but you've declared that "If I don't get my way (on this trivial issue), I'm leaving the site".  Really classy.  Way to claim the moral high ground there.

 

Honestly I'd be satisfied with the Internet archive link, if it didn't MISREPRESENT Aaeru's message.  I just wanted to archive a major event in Fuwanovel's history that I happened to play a role in.  But forced to choose between image graffiti and losing the comments, I'll take the comments because the controversy is what matters here, and "controversy" is the prominent theme of Fuwanovel's history I want to highlight here.

 

@Zaka: Ideologies aside, there's no way to contact Aaeru and get her permission to post it on the blog. I don't mind it being public (it actually -- and possibly unintentionally -- references the discussions she and I had about changing Fuwa's direction), but posting it on the new blog after all that's happened and without her express permission would be in very, very poor taste.

It was already public, so I don't see the issue.  The post was taken down because the server bills weren't paid, not because she wanted to erase the topic from existence.  Given she devoted years of her life to combating copyright law, I doubt she'd be in favor of her efforts being erased from memory, nor the fact that months of her hard labor went down the drain due to copyright-wielding bullies.

 

In any case, you have better things to do than become embroiled in silly squabbles like this.  As far as I'm concerned, the issue is already settled.  The post cannot be reconstructed as it was.  We'll settle with the Internet archive.  It's not the ideal solution, but there's no better option available.

 

Let's move along and get back to parodying Fuwanovel's history for cultural enrichment and entertainment.

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You literally compared shit about porn games, to fucking American Slavery. The only reason you want it displayed is because you were a part of it. All I feel like I see you do is promote your stuff. You could care less about it being Fuwanovel's history. You simply want people to see that oen time you went toe to toe with the mighty stupid Aaeru and won. Your track record of always whining when something you want promoted doesn't display right proves that.

 

I agree with other posters, this thread might as well be called sanahtligs Fuwa History.

 

I stand by everything I said. Don't give a flying fuck about being classy. 

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Before you start pointing fingers at my immaturity, consider that here you've not only launched an unprovoked character attack on me, but you've declared that "If I don't get my way (on this trivial issue), I'm leaving the site".  Really classy.  Way to claim the moral high ground there.

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