Narcosis Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 I'm not a fan of adventure games trying to label themselves as visual novels, nor am I a fan of completely "westernized" visual novels and neither am I a fan of the copypasted, weeaboo pandering crap certain groups are currently trying to create. Don't get me wrong, though; I still think they are needed, have their own merits and purpose. But the sole fact people don't learn from the mistakes left by previous groups is more than enough to rest reassured nothing will change.I while ago I completely lost my interest in the western visual novel development community, simply because those people are blind in the same exact manner the japanese devs are unable to grasp the modern age and adjust to it; they don't see the potential and they are way too afraid to move out of the safe zones and cope with the issues.I've seen a lot of people eager to bring visual novels to the west and talking about how important they are in the history of computer entertainment; going out on crusades, trying to accustom western community, fighting the annoyances, luring the fanbase and trying to get their own piece of cake for themselves; they all failed. It's because of a very simple factor - western community isn't ready to accept visual novels the way thy are, there's still a long way to go. And worst of all, they aren't even trying to make anything better for themselves. I won't go lightly on anyone that actually wants to take a chance and at the same time, try to avoid the responsibilities that come with it.That definately killed the thread. Truth hurts, eh?I could go on for hours about the subject. Don't see a reason though, when people cover their ears.I can only wish you luck and hope you won't regret it later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exogenesis Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 It's not really a truth hurts kind of thing. For us, it's "you can't please everybody." For everyone else, I suppose you just left the thread at an awkward note or no one had anything to say. Anyway, you are entitled to your opinion. People who've found Ace Attorney and Zero Escape games as visual novels with adventure game elements are entitled to theirs, too. I hope you're not referring to Exogenesis as copy-pasted. If you are, I'd love to be enlightened, so you can try our demo and tell me what exactly we copy-pasted from. Well I pledged $20 today, hopefully that resurrects the thread. Thanks! Please spread the word, too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vokoca Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 The pitch is great. I'm already considering pledging, I'll check the demo and decide then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BookwormOtaku Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Feel I should say kudos to you guys for taking criticism like this really well. I'll see if I can find anyone else I know who would be interested in this game and haven't backed it already; may even raise my pledge a bit if I can find a way to fit it into my budget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narcosis Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 They are not taking in any criticism, they are avoiding it.You haven't even truly started and you're already making the most basic mistake, any western visual novel developer could make - copypasting a japanese viewpoint for a visual novel and expecting it to work flawlessly on the west. That is the sole reason for me to immediately cross out the whole project, no matter how good it might look; this is also the sole reason why more than 95% of similiar western visual novels fail and fall into obscurity without garnering much attention.Your game might have decent art, might be voiced by a horrible english voice actors trying to mimic professional japanese seiyūs, might have a cast of your typical weeaboo pandering out-of-the-mill anime characters, including at least one gothic lolita, tsundere/yandere and a cool/donkan protagonist and perhaps some sort of a storyline that propably won't make any sense in the end, cause post-apocalyptic settings aren't just about making everything look cooler; you are propably going to avoid 18+ content as well, out of the obvious reasons.You have something, that looks like your average japanese visual novel, just a few times meager and want to sell it to an average western consumer, who typically has few times bigger expectations than any average japanese otaku? "You can't please everybody", my ass. If that visual novel isn't adressed to me or similiar people, who's actually going to read it? Does your team actually understand the issues of the western market? You're going to take money, you're going the semi-professional way. Are you really prepared, or just a group of skilled people with way too much spare time on your hands? Trying to make an easy buck and both justify and submit to your otaku urges? I'm glad when people consume, re-create and produce, but production without much of a thought behind it is completely meaningless.Unless you simply want the money, which is completely fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exogenesis Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 ^ Note taken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exogenesis Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 You're right. What was I thinking? I... I fed it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narcosis Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 I wonder if the Exogenesis team reacts the same to every bit of harsh criticism they get. I'm offering my point of view on the project, it is my feedback. They can take it however they want. It's only a bit dissapointing those are the only answers I got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funyarinpa Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 Pledged in my own bit and topped it off at exactly 29.000 USD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grim_tales1 Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 Congrats, I'm sure they'll make $32,000 if not much more! Every time I look at the total I feel I should contribute more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baconpancake Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 I'll be contributing next week This looks promising actually, I hope they reach the funds they need for the voice acting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okami Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 If only western creators would try to develop their own, unique style instead copypasting japanese otaku-pandering crap. But we love Japanese otaku style. Funyarinpa, BookwormOtaku and Silvz 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alvarux Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Wow 6 days left and less than $3000 to go... Almost there! B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronopolis Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Serious question: are you angry they don't seems to have grasped the western audience when making their product, and thus haven't pandered to them appropriately? Or perhaps that they are not recognizing the stagnant pool (objective lack of creativity, even lack of merit) that Japanese anime/VN's have entertained? And what made you think so? What is the way they advertised? The VN itself having same old tropes? I haven't had a chance to play the game since the demo got taken down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exogenesis Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Hm, you mean the download link on the KS page? It's working. Chronopolis 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronopolis Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Hm, you mean the download link on the KS page? It's working. Ah, I must have followed some outdated DL link. Thanks~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkshine Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Wow 6 days left and less than $3000 to go... Almost there! B) They just might make it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narcosis Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Serious question: are you angry they don't seems to have grasped the western audience when making their product, and thus haven't pandered to them appropriately? Or perhaps that they are not recognizing the stagnant pool (objective lack of creativity, even lack of merit) that Japanese anime/VN's have entertained? And what made you think so? What is the way they advertised? The VN itself having same old tropes? I haven't had a chance to play the game since the demo got taken down.From my viewpoint, the dev team does not deserve the money they are getting; a lot more projects with a broader scope and depth were realized without any sort of third party financial help. If they have gotten so far, why would they suddenly need money now?I am also one of the people, who believe they could make it a lot better; provided the money they are getting, rather than creating a story based on events and characters looking like they'd just been made up by an anime-struck grade schooler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funyarinpa Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 I'll be contributing next week This looks promising actually, I hope they reach the funds they need for the voice acting! It has 6 days to go so you need to hurry a little more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narcosis Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 Anyway, they got funded just a while ago. We'll see where it goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exogenesis Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 Thanks guys! We got a nice boost after the VA + trailer update. I hope you enjoyed those, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronopolis Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 Congrats! grim_tales1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grim_tales1 Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 It's very close to making its stretch goal now. I'm wondering whether I should pledge for a port to Vita. Oh wait.. no Vita I was thinking of getting one though, is it really worth it to play Trigger Happy Havoc, etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosebleed Posted May 19, 2014 Author Share Posted May 19, 2014 I'm interested in the mobiles ports as well. Specifically android although quite some Ren'Py ports I've tried were a bit buggy. But then again most of them were just direct ports from the PC version so hopefully this one is an actual proper port with tweaks to fit the mobile platform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funyarinpa Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 It's very close to making its stretch goal now. I'm wondering whether I should pledge for a port to Vita. Oh wait.. no Vita I was thinking of getting one though, is it really worth it to play Trigger Happy Havoc, etc? It indeed is! Though you might need to play indies/remakes/ports/old PSN games more than you expect since it lacks in exclusives, from what I can see as someone that wants one too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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