LiquidShu Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 *cries* Michiru you were so close... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RinXD Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Michiru still has a chance as its only 10k away if they remove the top tiers how ever the ports might not be so fortunate. Thats provided people dont start pulling funding if this decision stands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Poltroon Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 For some reason i dont see it getting appealed I believe Rooke is the official "Deputy Downer", try to respect the ranks a little. Come on. Â In a slightly more serious mood I feel the same. Though I can't honestly come up with any logical reason as to why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyrt Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Wow this really sucks for sekai project and frontwing...also this might prevent them from releasing the 18+ content altogether now out of fear of overreaction which we just saw. Was it a group of butthurt fans, soccer moms, equality now, mobsters at kickstarter that didn't get a good enough cut, a hatred of anime, etc... someone just fucked this over. I really hope my fears of this event preventing 18+ do not come to pass but it wouldn't surprise me with the views they have on western society. Hell this M version will probably get censored now as a result as well. Â Â let's hope this is nothing more than pessimism and the rest of everything will go through fine. Hell maybe they'll announce the 18+ version early now...I can hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RinXD Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Im willing to bet that it was people that were butthurt over the all ages versions instead of the 18+ version getting offended cause of the pilllows and bed sheets being 18+ but they cant launch the 18+ game with the kickstarter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deep Blue Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Clearly someone reported this to kickstarter, a very trollish move not that it will matters in the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidShu Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Im willing to bet that it was people that were butthurt over the all ages versions instead of the 18+ version getting offended cause of the pilllows and bed sheets being 18+ but they cant launch the 18+ game with the kickstarter  I'm going with Feminazi's because why not, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RinXD Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 I doubt it was trolls or feminists but more like i said people who wanted the KS to be 18+ and it was all ages but backer gifts were some18+ material so they got butthurt and reported it. Also please dont bring issues like feminism on to the forum its touchy subject Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decay Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 I'm going with Feminazi's because why not, Â Uhh well you can believe that if you want. There are a lot of sore manchildren at 4chan who basically hate on everything SP does. It was probably some anon from /jp/. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenshadow622 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Can't we all just agree that it doesn't really matter who, if anybody, reported this? In the end, the result is the same, and we'll just have to hope that SP is successful in their appeal, however unlikely it may be. And even if they aren't, it's highly doubtful that the removal of dakimakura from the pledge rewards will make any type of significant difference in the long run anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RinXD Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Im more annoyed that he brought civil rights movements into this :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyrt Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Im more annoyed that he brought civil rights movements into this :/ If you are talking about myself I was only referencing certain incidents that have occurred in the past. Equality Now and CNN are both responsible for the whole Rapelay fiasco 7-8(?) years ago that basically put a major limiter on the visual novels coming out of Japan and vilified and labeled all anime related subjects as porn to the masses because of improper research . The japanese industry feared overreaction of the western market and many games simply are not going to be offered here because of that overreaction...besides that however some visual novel companies went so far as to block IPs not from Japan from accessing their websites.  Hell it is thanks to EN and CNN that so many people look at anime and basically think oh porn. This negative stigma has not been  rid of and regardless of my personal opinions on EN and CNN it did hurt the the visual novel community in the West. I was not bringing civil rights movements into it although I was making a reference to the people who have been behind these types of things in the past...also forgot 4chan they can get angry about just about anything so it easily could have been one of them not liking the kickstarter succeeding. It also could have been that kickstarter noticed a project getting funded so quickly and so had someone check it to make sure it didn't get funded because of porn...which the backer tiers can say it didn't if they remove the pron funding. Honestly they should just offer these items on denpa soft individually...they'd probably make a killing.    As far as the kickstarter goes they really shouldn't have had that adult oriented content on the kickstarter to begin with when they had issues of the 18+ getting on it for the same reason. I don't see anything wrong with it but really the hypocrisy belongs first to frontwing and then to kickstarter. I feel bad for sekai project in all of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RinXD Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 nah I was talking about liquid shu blaming feminism which is like religion and politics a very touchy subject that causes hateful arguments Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OriginalRen Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 A lot of people are doing exactly what both Kickstarter and Sekai project don't want to happen: the blame game. Japan has very strict laws when it comes to visual novels and their distribution, and kyrt hit the nail on the head:  The japanese industry feared overreaction of the western market and many games simply are not going to be offered here because of that overreaction  Take a look at this image I took of Aokana:   The phrase "Japan Sales Only" is not something they put on VNs for show only, but rather it's a question of ethics that the EOCS takes in high regard when selling products. Every single VN has this phrase, whether it's in an opening credit sequence or on the box itself. To give you an idea, Mephisto and I looked this information up when the EOCS took down my old Cocoro@Function! videos for copyright infringement on YouTube. Here is the website and the information for those of you who can read it:  http://www.sofurin.org/htm/topics/34.htm  Notice how it's not just a question of where items can be sold, but rather a question of morals. That being said, Japan's stance on VNs will always be the same and its reach into the western market will be limited at best. Still, it doesn't hurt that Sekai is trying, and for that reason I don't think blaming them or Kickstarter is the right thing to do; each of them has legitimate reasons for doing what they are doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RinXD Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 well actually lets blame kickstarter cause they allowed sunrider to work and they had uncensored pictures of the dakimakura's on their page and they didnt get taken down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyrt Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 I for one have never faulted Sekai Project for any of this and I really do appreciate everything they are trying to do. The problems have been on Frontwing and Kickstarter's end although funny enough kickstarter just proved that Frontwing's fear's were not unfounded. Sekai Project is doing everything they can to make this work and for that I'm not going to fault them on it. I really do hope they can appeal it successfully. Hell the images are censored on the kickstarter which is less than what I can say about other projects. They really shouldn't have an issue with it. This does however prove that kickstarter is not going to be the right way to go about getting visual novels over here. greenshadow622 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RinXD Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Some one should start a fundin thing that allows sexual content and only takes 10% like KS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenshadow622 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 If someone does do that, they're also gonna have to offer an alternative to paypal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyrt Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Unfortunately there are a lot of issues with doing something like kickstarter in regards to sexual content. In different parts of the world there are different laws and customs and something in one place might be completely illegal while legal in another...not to mention not being able to keep track of this could cause further issues as illegal content could potentially be offered up this way. This type of thing is very difficult to pull off correctly without sexual content and I imagine a more adult-oriented kickstarter type thing just wouldn't do as well. Indiegogo and Kickstarter are the two main ways of backing for upcoming projects...there have been plenty of sexual related content getting backed on both but it seems less problematic on indiegogo...a third company would have to compete with 2 very well known companies and potentially not make their necessary funds for keeping the website staffed on operational...not to mention the other issues. Still it isn't impossible but a simple rule change could be to just not allow live-action oriented content. Honestly it would be difficult to say the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyrt Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 So was randomly checking to see if denpasoft had a website yet and then I happened to notice this link;  DenpaSoft  So can we take this for positive confirmation that we are in fact getting the 18+ version or does this recent issue with kickstarter need to be figured in first?  edit: apologies for double posting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RinXD Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 OK We were always getting the 18+ version the only thing we dont know is if backers will have to pay full price for it or not . Frontwing just didnt want it having anything to do with the Kick starter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kururin Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 There should be more option than kickstarter :/ where you could host sexual oriented projects. Ugh i knew this wasn't going to work out since ppl only liked sexual content on grisaia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RinXD Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 It will works itself out some how im quite confident of that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decay Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 There should be more option than kickstarter :/ where you could host sexual oriented projects. Ugh i knew this wasn't going to work out since ppl only liked sexual content on grisaia People trust Kickstarter. There's are other crowdfunding sites but even when marketed in the same manner, the projects there aren't as popular. Somehow, people feel more comfortable backing a project on Kickstarter than Indiegogo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jibril Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Quick, someone call Yuuji to go and put a gun to the forehead of the guys at kickstarter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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