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    What are your thoughts on Sekai and other companies buying up fan translations

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    On 4/18/2016 at 4:15 PM, dowolf said:

    This actually worries me to some extent. The biggest logical reason to buy up a fan translation (rather than doing your own) is the belief that doing so allows you to acquire the translation for less than what would be a fair market rate (the other, of course, being saved time). What might seem like fair compensation for something you expected to do for free might be a far cry from what you might ask for in a more traditional contract.

    Well, to be fair, fair market value is pretty subjective. Fair market value is wherever the meeting point between what the people selling are willing to take and the people buying are willing to spend. So work that was intended to be done for free anyway would logically have a lower value that work someone was paid for from the start.

     

    That said, the value of fan translations is more complex than simple time invested. Many fan translation projects build up fairly loyal fanbases, and some of those fanbases get quite big. I can't speak for anyone else, but when I heard Sekai Project brought in the fan translator for grisaia no kajitsu, that's what motivated me to buy it; because I already knew the quality would be high and trusted the translator. Each game itself also has a fan base, that can be appealed to or not based on other factors. If you license a game that has a fan translation, DMCA every fan-TL patch of it, and then don't do anything with it for 2 years, that fan base is likely to be somewhat miffed, and probably not likely to give you money. If you get it out quickly, more people are probably going to buy it. So buying an existing TL can greatly reduce the time from license to release. And since you start getting return on investment faster, you have less of your capital tied up for less time overall. Again, look at Sekai Project with Clannad. They raised money for it, with the fan-TLs heavily promoting the official project, and they got it out in a reasonable time frame. I don't know how their sales or doing or what their margin on it is, but I imagine they made a pretty hefty sum on it.

     

    On the topic as a whole, I don't much care one way or the other. Fan translations aren't going anywhere; there are just too many VNs for the three major publishers to work with, even if they hired every fan translator in sight. There are also Japanese companies that are never going to license their stuff to the west for whatever reason. But at the same time, I feel that if publishers are buying up big name fan-TL projects, that'll drive TLs to the more well known VNs in hopes of getting bought out, and away from the lesser known games that fewer people are willing to work on already. So it's a somewhat mixed bag.

    Majikoi A Translation Project Discussion

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    It occurs to me that some of you probably don't actually read the blog, so I'll post it here if you want to discuss it:

    The way A-1 and A-2s files are structured, such as the script and image names, as well as things such as the eventtype text, heavily suggest Minatosoft is planning to release all the games as a single version at some point. I wouldn't say I'm 100% sure of it, but they've certainly put quite a bit of effort in to a file system that will let them do that.

    Majikoi A Translation Project Discussion

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    41 minutes ago, TsukiBaka said:

    Wooooooooooooh if those minor things are nice touches, and you decide to do them, neeeeeat

    One of them is simply the names in the tooltips for the event mode. Three names that are redundant, so not a whole lot of motivation, but also maybe worth doing. Dunno.

    o97ju.jpg

     

    The text in the () literally says "Benkei". It's somewhat pointless, but it's still japanese text.

    Majikoi A Translation Project Discussion

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    The reason A is so compelling is there is no single story-line. It's basically just a collection of single-route VNs, since you directly choose the route you want without any guesswork regarding vague conversation choices. The routes still have some variance within them, but you know that you're not going to end up in the wrong girl's route. This is something that set Maji Koi apart; while not necessarily unique, it is rare enough to be compelling.

    The problem with S was that it took the base routes from the first game, robbed them of the mixture of comedic and serious story, and made them essentially short sex-based bullshit. The Margit, Kokoro, and Iyo routes started well, but finished poorly and also lacked any real depth, failing to add anything to any of the characters. Only Monshiro and Tsubame were proper routes(and Koyuki, but for spoiler reasons, I won't discuss the myriad of issues there), and two routes that, in my opinion, could only charitably be called passable can't carry the weight of the rest of the game's failure. This was especially a shame, since from a format, feature, and ease of translation standpoint, S was vastly superior. It had everything going for it, other than the story, which is why, again in my opinion, the game was largely a failure.

    A preserves those things that made S great from a technical standpoint, and adds back in the story based content, returns to proper character development, and actually put a bit of effort in to the writing. Even the H-scenes are better written than large swaths of the story from the 5 original girls in S. It's one reason I wanted to keep going, and I think it's why the team stuck together. As bad as S was, as annoying as it got, A reminded us why we liked the series in the first place(Koyuki's route played a role in this, as it was story based, but again, due to spoilers, I won't go into depth on this).

    This is obviously just my opinion, so feel free to disregard it, but I think that A is enough. Are there girls/routes in general I'd have liked to see? Sure. I liked the friend arcs from the first game; Moro's route was excellent, and Capt's was just hilarious. I'd have liked to see something similar for Gen and Kuma. As well as a proper route for Kokoro. However, the game has run it's course, and if it can end strong with what we have in A, then I'd rather it stay like that than to descend back into what S was.

    Majikoi A Translation Project Discussion

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    9 hours ago, dowolf said:

    Well, there's little overlap in jobs there; I'm certainly not the one doing the uncensoring.

    I mean, unless you want me to work up some masterpieces in MS Paint.

    (kinda tempted to do this now...)

    As amusing as this would be, I think we'd get crucified for ruining someones best girl. So as long as it's Chris, I don't mind.

    Ao no Kanata no Four Rhythm Translation Project

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    8 hours ago, Maxel said:

    We have not seen any screenshots/videos/proofs that anything was ever translated. Prove me wrong? If u wanted to keep people updated on the project, you could make 1-3 min vids showing small parts of translation? No one will believe that you "accidently" double deleted the files, lol. Google support ignored you? Nice.

    Telling lies is bad, but covering lies with other lies is just... Have balls to say that the TL wasn't done or something. In case I'm wrong and somehow that shit happened, sorry. Would like to see some evidences that the translation was done. You could give us a sneak, you "decided" not to. Really let me tell you, hyping people up and then crushing this hype/hopes to nothing is way, way worse than leaving the game alone(not doing the translation)

    I've seen u as a good guy, doing some contests with prizes, helping people around, buying things for people, selling some figures/VN stuff cheap. Now? Idk.

    This is probably the most entitled post I've ever seen. Fan TLs don't get paid; most have jobs or school or whatever else in life they have to deal with. Each project is taken up so that other people can enjoy the game the way the TLs do/did. I'm not sure if Ren is translating himself, but I gather he is, so he could just as easily read and enjoy the game and say to hell with everyone else who wants to read it.

     

    As for accidentally deleting backups, trust me, it's a lot easier than you think. Astonishingly so.

     

    If you don't like Ren or think he's a liar or whatever, translate the damn game yourself. Otherwise, shut up and wait.

    Majikoi S Translation Project Discussion

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    On 1/9/2016 at 7:59 AM, exodia45 said:

    i'm sorry if this sound dumb but can you give me a manual patch because when i use the patch.exe  i'm pronted to choose the folder so i go to the majikoi s folder but i still can't press the next button to start the instalation i don't know why this happen .

    if you can't provide the manual patch then plz shed some light over my problem

    Sorry, I don't really check this thread very often anymore. Please see the website(sift through the comments, we never did make a proper post for it); or PM me or Kardomol about a manual patch.

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