Nosebleed Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 Fuwazette post is up. Why I endorse JAST’s censorship of Shiny Days At the very least you made me more trustful of Jast with this article, I won't say I endorse this until I see the final result, but if it is as you say then I won't have anything to complain and I'd actually prefer it if it keeps the whole thing in low profile instead. So I guess now we play the waiting game. Good article~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krill Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Not in Califorina. As far as I know, the California Penal Code requires said porn to involve real minors to be illegal. Because of the way it's worded, it does not apply to hentai or other types of cartoon porn. Of course, that clashes with federal law, though, but so do several states' laws legalizing pot. Admittedly, it is a little old for a source, but that's the most up to date source I could find. On the original topic, I'm not really interested in anything related to School Days; I've heard subpar things about it. obscenity law is meant to be vague so it can be interpreted by each district independently it matters not where in the usa you live if someone wants to prosecute you for content they deem obscene the law is applicable, its then up to the court to decide if it falls under the obscenity laws legal definition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatSoul Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 And all this is why I`m a huge all-ages fan. I wish all the VNs with stories would be released as all-ages right from the get-go so there would never be any censoring needed. If people want porn they should buy porn, and if they don`t want porn they shouldn`t be forced between paying for and supporting porn and getting good stories they want to read. There are certain games with plots that just do not work as all-ages. Saya no Uta without the adult content would severely reduce the impact of the game, as well as change the way characters see various characters. Not every game with sex scenes has them just tagged on to sell games. krill 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getsuya Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Oh yeah I'm not opposed to using sex and eroticism to make a point or tell a story. What I'm opposed to is sex and eroticism being put into every VN like it's mandatory instead of only when it's being used directly to help tell the story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanahtlig Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 School Days without the porn wouldn't be School Days. It's essentially a story revolving around sex, even though the H-content isn't all that prevalent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decay Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Sex =/= porn. But of course just removing the content that was there from the start is always a sloppy solution. Getsuya 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulless Watcher Posted April 28, 2015 Author Share Posted April 28, 2015 Sex =/= porn. SUNDAY SCHOOL LIED TO ME!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getsuya Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Sex =/= porn. This. There's plenty of sex even in all-ages games, it just doesn't have to happen on screen with all the moaning and fluid explosions. But I also agree that just slicing stuff out with nothing to replace it is not the solution. Sadly the companies tend to be very lazy about this. In most all-ages ports they just write up a clumsy bridge scene to skip over the parts where the porn was and in a lot of them they don't even bother to voice those scenes because they were so hastily prepared. In a perfect world the all-ages version would have all-new content and more story depth to make up for the fact that it is missing the porn. Alas, for now we must simply settle for the neutering approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanahtlig Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 A JAST staff member (likely Nicholas Graham) added the following clarification regarding JAST's decision to censor the official release Shiny Days, yet leave Song of Saya and Littlewitch Romanesque unedited: ... Canadian [JAST] staff are scare[d] since the incident of the Canadian eroge staff member [getting detained and charged for importing an obscene eroge]. Their involvement in the distribution of similar material could result in problems for them, and it'd be immoral for us to put our staff at risk for customer or company gain. On the US State side, our company is at risk under California Penal Code 186.2.3 as defined by 311.2, with the crux of a hypothetical court case being the literary and artistic value of the game based on not our standards but "contemporary community standards." LWR and Song of Saya have themes, gameplay and stories that are easier to defend than those within Shiny Days when taken as a whole. Those are the facts of the situation... http://www.reddit.com/r/visualnovels/comments/33ohep/why_i_endorse_jasts_censorship_of_shiny_days/cqq4x8s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatSoul Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Ah, the 'artistic value' defense. Though I don't see how LWR is any more worth of the defense than Shiny Days; perhaps the non-sexual length of LWR being longer then that of Shiny Days? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulless Watcher Posted April 30, 2015 Author Share Posted April 30, 2015 Ah, the 'artistic value' defense. Though I don't see how LWR is any more worth of the defense than Shiny Days; perhaps the non-sexual length of LWR being longer then that of Shiny Days? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanahtlig Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Ah, the 'artistic value' defense. Though I don't see how LWR is any more worth of the defense than Shiny Days; perhaps the non-sexual length of LWR being longer then that of Shiny Days? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatSoul Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Well if we know one thing, this is one VN which will never see the light of day on the Australian market. (Come to think of it, does Australia get any VNs? Other then Steins;Gate, which got a ridiculous MA15+ - meaning no one under 18 can buy it in certain Australian territories, due to stupid laws that had to be put in place just so adults could be treated like adults - for 'Strong themes, violence and references to sexual violence'. Oh, and Yume Miru Kusuri, which is straight-up banned.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulless Watcher Posted April 30, 2015 Author Share Posted April 30, 2015 Well if we know one thing, this is one VN which will never see the light of day on the Australian market. (Come to think of it, does Australia get any VNs? Other then Steins;Gate, which got a ridiculous MA15+ - meaning no one under 18 can buy it in certain Australian territories, due to stupid laws that had to be put in place just so adults could be treated like adults - for 'Strong themes, violence and references to sexual violence'. Oh, and Yume Miru Kusuri, which is straight-up banned.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidShu Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 After reading sanahtlig article on this specific issue I will most likely end up buying it. Normally I would sit around and wait for it to be released so I can pick it up for free but I want to get more into the VN world and decided I would purchase my VN's if they are able to be bought (in ENG). Thanks for the article sanahtlig I'll continue to look out for your stuff was pretty interesting. sanahtlig 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanahtlig Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 After reading sanahtlig article on this specific issue I will most likely end up buying it. Normally I would sit around and wait for it to be released so I can pick it up for free but I want to get more into the VN world and decided I would purchase my VN's if they are able to be bought (in ENG). Thanks for the article sanahtlig I'll continue to look out for your stuff was pretty interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidShu Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 If I've inspired one more VN fan to give back to a hobby they're passionate about, then I consider that a victory, regardless of the particular game or the circumstances surrounding it. If you'd like to see more of my thoughts and opinions on VNs, check out my other Fuwazette posts and my personal blog /index.php?/blog/63-sanahtligs-corner/">Sanahtlig's Corner. The more interested readers I see discussing my articles and posts the more likely I'll be to put out more such content in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getsuya Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 While I haven't played LWR I can kind of assume they can come up with some excuse like the girls not being as young as they look and there actually being a deep story arc surrounding the romance between the main character and them. With Kokoro it's like 'Yeah so this guy rapes his girlfriend's kid sister' 'Why? Does it have some deep significance to the plot' 'Eh nah he just does it for funsies and the game plays it up as comedy' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexZandria Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 If I've inspired one more VN fan to give back to a hobby they're passionate about, then I consider that a victory, regardless of the particular game or the circumstances surrounding it. If you'd like to see more of my thoughts and opinions on VNs, check out my other Fuwazette posts and my personal blog /index.php?/blog/63-sanahtligs-corner/">Sanahtlig's Corner. The more interested readers I see discussing my articles and posts the more likely I'll be to put out more such content in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanahtlig Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 I loved the effort you put into this spelling the whole thing out for me since I didn't really follow the forums/twitter and such on the whole controversy. Soulless Watcher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklord Rooke Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 I had an amusing exchange with a rabid opponent of censorship in JAST's official thread. I honestly don't know why you engaged. His incessant whining was just irritating and he sounded like yet another entitled, spoilt, brat trawling the internet, and while there are many such specimens around none of them are worth listening to. Just ignore them and let them cry by themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanahtlig Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 He and I have a history of butting heads dating back to the Family Project censorship episode. It's sort of a rivalry thing. Believe it or not, we actually respect each others' opinions when they don't involve censorship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanahtlig Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 For those curious about other entries in the series, I've posted a review of Japanese-language title Cross Days, an alternate retelling of School Days from the perspective of Yuuki Ashikaga. Cross Days: A trainwreck as enthralling as it is infuriating Also, JAST has updated the release date for Shiny Days. It's now slated for an August 25, 2015 release. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decay Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 So, on a related note, the Starless restoration patch is already released on nyaa. It was released simultaneously with the VN. You know, now that I think about it, it's pretty amusing that JAST is making use of the same site that will probably be used to pirate the game itself. Zenophilious 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 You know, now that I think about it, it's pretty amusing that JAST is making use of the same site that will probably be used to pirate the game itself. Well... Considering there are J-list ads on nyaa, you could say they're pretty much funding it themselves anyway... (edit: the hell, it's on fun instead of fap...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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