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That "dude" will love you just the same as any"girl" will

I`m not forcing you to like them in Sexual way, as i said there not many people can enjoy traps as sexual way rather they prefer non-sexual.
They like trap because their cuteness but they evaded to make Trap as fap material because of their 'Extra" and thats totally fine.
Liking things doesnt mean u need to fap with them.
 
Nihihihihi Nice knowing that i`m not the only one who think of that...Cheers mate.

Sure

I think I love you O_O

Except Cofee is funny...

We are not sugarcoating it.... you see...that PENIS..is one of the charm...(at least for me) and no i`m not gay..i`m straight as an arrow.
And we wont force you to liking a trap. Again trap is one of those things you need to adapt for a lil bit to love and like.
some people like trap because their cuteness only..just that.
But for me i see trap both sexual way and nonsexual way...i eat them and i love them. Ofc i know IRL trap that cute doesnt exist, however if they do exist, i dont mind to taste em.

A lolicon can be a pedophile though, there are people that can't distinguish reality from fiction. That's when issues begin.
In fact there are pedophiles that turn to 2D to release their sexual urges as they understand what they like is wrong and they don't want to suffer criminal punishment.
See this is why there's so much controversy. Yes most lolicons like 2D only and they don't want anything to do with underaged girls, but there are also those who will go that far and that raises serious questions on wether or not it's okay to portray underaged girls in 2D and wether that affects people's preferences.

Of course the answer to this is, there is currently no scientifical evidence that shows that people who do go for real underaged girls were driven to it by the lolicon genre. But you know people will keep trying to bring the genre down regardless. In fact i'd say the main reason lolis are still allowed in these mediums is because it brings money.

I do hope that people realize there shouldn't be any censorship in the 2D world ever and that those who can't distinguish reality from fiction are not like that because of lolis. Pedophilia is a desease, you don't develop pedophilia through watching 2D girls, period.

I loved that video one of spoony's best videos to be honest.

I don't think that there is any problems with this section, true I do have one suggestion that could improve it, and that is to make a sub section inside VN Talk for VN recommendations.

Maybe through this vn i can learn how to get ppl to notice me.

I am not sure if you were around for all the discussions about MG and JAST decisions during the DC3 C&D, discussion - if they decide to go against fans and cancel a fan translation project without even announcing their own project for the same game, basically saying to fans "you will have to wait 10 years to play the game", it is not the correct marketing move.
I am no marketing expert but pissing off current fans will not make you have more profit.
However this has been discussed to eternity in the old topics so you can look those up (it is related to DC3 and copyright and game and release choices for MG, it should be in VN talk).
Essentially don't blame fans for your lack of success, blame yourself.
 
 
To this I can only say 2 things - Welcome to Fuwanovel, where fairness is possible and reality is just an illusion. We choose to live in the 2d world for a reason and the same way we offer fairness to people in our Fuwanovel domain, our users, forum members and supporters.
 
Also it is funny that you talk about how Fuwa fails to create the true fans to support the industry yet you still included the link from my post in the quote. Giving a clear example of one of our long time members shcboomer, who if you check more of his tweets, has spent probably several thousand dollars on all the books, figs, cards an whatnot related to Little Busters, that is worth more than if he purchased a 50 digital copies for 50$ each (steam price).
And did Fuwanovel help him discover the game or possibly deepen his love and dedication for it? Possibly, well that is his story to tell, but you can see that the system works as Aaeru has explained.
 
And then take people like babiker from Saudi Arabia who replied bellow you. Or even someone like Zeddy, a fuwanovel main website user from Iran who from time to time visits Teamspeak. Those people cannot offer money, often times they don't even have a way to transfer those money or receive the product. But they can offer words, here on fuwa but also in other fair parts of the internet, they can let more people know about these games and they can help us find more people like boomer.
 
(Also, have you ever considered that the lack of success of localization companies can also be affected by the fact that their games are NOT on fuwanovel? Nobody is building a fanbase for President here, nobody even talks about the MG games most of the times - but hell everyone is talking about Hoshimemo and Little Busters and such - interesting thought, isn't it.)
 
We can create our own paradise on fuwa, however unfair the world might be, you can always create smaller worlds and there try to change the world you just built - and that is what fuwanovel is, our brand new world.
 
 
 
PS: I would like to mention a story that not many people know:

This is going to be long so take a seat.
And don't you dare skimming through it or not reading any of the linked articles.

1. Misinterpretation of Fuwanovel mission statement

I will start with this as it should be simple to explain.
The portion of the mission statement that is used in the forum logo (and forum logo only) is just part of the whole mission.
As you can notice on the main website, the main logo there actually describes the website differently.

"Fan translated visual novels repository"
And if you browse the website and visit the mission statement section, you can see the mission is actually different from what the forum logo says, it is:
"Visual Novels for the World"
As even included with the logo of the section:


Following up in the mission statement, three main objectives are mentioned there

There are three main objectives, they are:
1) Make visual novels popular in the West.
2) Promote fan translation
3) Create a community that celebrates fan translation and fan sharing.


When the forums logo was made, only the first part of the mission statement was put there, because otherwise it would be too long. And many people misinterpret "West" as "America", where as it just states the general mission statement Visual Novels for the World but with different words.
West in that case means outside of Japan (where Visual Novels already exist), so basically the rest of the world.

What I am getting at is that nowhere on the whole website it states anything about promoting Localized copies, ensuring sales of Localized copies or celebrating success of Localization companies and commercial market.
Instead it focuses on fan translation, fan efforts, fan sharing, fan creations and fan improvements to the original version.

The only reason Fuwanovel doesn't share licensed versions was out of Aaeru's "good will".
She decided not to include those releases as a gesture of friendliness to the companies.
How those companies responded to this good will and attempts to build a friendly relationship is a different matter entirely.



2. Piracy vs Sharing

The whole word "Piracy" is just wrongly used since the beginning of the internet.
If you imagine piracy in a pirate movie, they invade a ship and deprive people off their possessions.
But in the case of games, movies, music - that is never the case. "Piracy" on the internet just stands for "Sharing", but people for some reason needed a word that sounds evil.
Instead of taking away possessions of someone else, you are being offered a shared copy of what someone already has. You are being offered a flower seed out of unlimited supply to grow your own flower and ultimately build your love for flowers to the point you want to support the people who originally imported these flowers from different parts of the world.


Aaeru and Fuwanovel was always for "Sharing" and as so you could say also for "Piracy" since they are the same thing.

The stuff about flower seeds and building love for flowers is much better explained in the "Spreading culture does not decrease supporters. It increases it." part of fuwanovel About section.
Please read the whole article if you haven't already done so.

You can notice there the part of why true fans pay money.



"Your labour IS the scarcity not the copies, for it cannot be pirated."

And are you going to argue that it doesn't work? Even the mentioned Steins;Gate release says exactly the opposite, many of the fuwanovel staff bought the copy even though we still direct people to the shared copy.
It is not because they had to buy it, they wanted to buy it, partially thanks to the fact that the game is popularized thanks to Fuwanovel.

The article mentioned above wasn't directed at localization companies however, it was mainly directed at Japanese developers and why Aaeru decided to share the copies with the improvements of additional language version.

You can even see similar examples here of people buying a Japanese version if they liked the fuwanovel copy. I can even say it for myself - I am struggling to make a living and pay rent, but after finishing Iroseka (shared torrented version), I became true fan of FAVORITE, It is one of my dreams that once I solve my situation and get some more money, I will not buy some expensive food or a car or any other pleasure like that, I will buy the games with all the stupidly overpriced little perks in the box, because I want the companies to make more of it.
But in the meanwhile, all I can really do is spread the word of how good the games are, link people to the Fuwanovel Hoshimemo page, praise Iroseka and make more people try to play it in Japanese now, make more people interested in translating it for even wider audience - because I know that I can find people who will fall in love with those games just like I have and maybe they will have the funds to afford the support to the companies. I was able to talk to a Japanese FAVORITE fan yesterday in pso2JP, uniting together we can get more and more fame to the company that deserves it, even though the Japanese person can buy the game with earnings from an hour or 2 of his time, and all I can do is spread the word. But I am willing to spread the word for many hours, writing reviews and comparisons, because that is all I can spare, my time.

If I haven't "pirated" the games in the first place, I would never be able to do this, I would never be able to extend the fandom because I would never be able to play the game.



3. Localized releases vs Fan TL releases

So as mentioned above, we are still trying to carry Aaeru's good will of not sharing localized copies, a good will even after all the things the companies have done to her in response. The good will might weaken in times of controversy we can sometimes see, but since we believe that evil should not be repaid by evil, that eye for an eye is just the wrong approach, we still continue this good will and are not sharing English licensed releases of games.

But there was never such will for Japanese releases, as with those, following the points mentioned in point 2 of this post, the creator will have more success in building fandom and true fans.

And as such we are sharing Japanese copy of Planetarian, a game Aaeru added to the website, improved by a collective fan effort many years ago. It is the same version a lot of you (Including me) were able to enjoy for free, thanks to the original fan effort and Fuwanovel sharing service. And the same version, translated out of passion for the game, shared between fans of Key to make their games even more popular.
Without this fan copy and all the other fan translated Key games, most of us would not be able to enjoy them. Without the effort of fan subbing, lot of people would not be able to enjoy Key anime.
And without that the English Key fandom would not become what it is today, a fandom that is able to organize a giant project like Key 15th Anniversary Letter.
A project that will even be collaborating with Sekai project to deliver their letter, signifying their dedication.
A project full of TRUE fans who will buy the official Sekai release even though they have probably played Planetarian several times.

And you are asking us to simply remove all that from existence so only you and other people in the past were so privileged to enjoy it for free and become a fan. That new people cannot join the club anymore, become a fan of a free version to later potentially evolve into a true fan supporting Key by buying figs and games all over the place, just like many Fuwanovel members do.

And the same goes for Grisaia, we are sharing a Japanese version of the game improved by fan translation, a version that was able to build pretty big fandom of its own. A favorite game of many thanks to the free fan translation and the free availability on Fuwanovel (among other places).
A fandom built thanks to a collaborative effort of not only translators and other people on the project, but also seeders on the torrents, page creators, article writers, even people just saying "I loved this game" in a public place - all those efforts however important or hard they might be created what Grisaia true fandom today is and as such tons of them will be able to afford the steam release, while others can keep sharing the word and original fan project for free, to get even more people on the board to be able to spend their money, time or effort or combination of those to further support their beloved game.


And in the end by removing the original fan translation patch you are not only depriving newcomers of things you were able to have yourself, depriving them of the sun that used to shine on you.
But you are also undermining all the efforts of the people trying to share and make the game as popular as possible with the means available to them. Some people have money to import the game from Japan or later buy the game on Steam, some people only have words.
But power of the words might in the end turn out more powerful than power of money. By sharing a VN and making more people be interested in it and talk about it, you are essentially trading words for words - effort and words of the original creator for the good words and effort of review writers or simply people telling their friends to play it. And in the end this trade will result in a profit for the creator, as more and more people will be interested in the words the creator has to say in their games, more and more people will want more of those words and become a true fan, patron and supporter, trading their currency for more words.


4. Fuwanovel as a negative profit website

Since this was already said, I will keep it short.
But Fuwanovel, unlike many other sharing websites such as nyaa, generates ZERO profit of any of this. Quite the opposite, running website and fees connected to this actually costs money and we rely on charity of people, paying their money to host and run the website, offering their seedbox so we can spread the game torrents as quickly as possible.
And even the times when many of us together collected the money to buy the forum software, with whatever we could put aside at that moment.
And still there is not a single ad on the website, not a single cent was generated on Fuwanovel and that is how it is going to remain.
Efforts of all the people working on maintaining the website, work put into coding and additional features, forum moderation, creating new pages for newly released projects, maintaining good upload speed by seeding - all those efforts are done with 0 compensation and 0 profit.
And as such everyone can expect everything on Fuwanovel be equal to everyone, whether you came a year ago or now, you will have access to the same games for the same equal price, 0.
That's because 0 is the ONLY price equal to everyone in the world and even though $1 might seem equal to all Americans, it is not equal to everyone in the world, only 0 is.

And as the mission statement goes, Visual Novels for the World.

NO! No, she doesn't! lol I'm sick of people saying that she deserves it, she's asking for it. The anime twists her character into a generic selfish villain. People really should check the VN, you know, the source material, before jumping into conclusions like that.
 
Sigh... Not a great start. I know that post was made a year ago, but just seeing the OP like that made me cringe. Heh...
 
My most hated character... It's tough, because I'm rather lenient when it comes to fictional characters, because I understand the fundamental logic that we're all flawed humans in one way or another, so even the worst person on Earth has some redeeming value at best. Thus, when I try to see such redeeming values, you'll have me rooting for underdog characters like Sekai over there... That said.
 
Kotonoha. Don't get me wrong, this is not just an immature attack out of some self-righteous desire to defend Sekai. It's just... she's annoying in her own way too... in the 'whiny Shinji' kind of way. I mean, I understand that she was bullied, but the way her character was written, even in the VN, she's like this little selfish puppy who's waiting for some prince to come and rescue her. To be fair, a lot of unfortunate circumstances were piled on her for sure, which is why my supposed 'hatred' for her is nothing more than an irritation. I'm just mildly bothered by her, that's all, not outright hating her.
 
I mean, just take a look at another emotionally-weak character, if you will - Miki Sayaka. Despite being the weakest magical girl of all, despite having all that crap piled on her, she still fought till the bitter end. That's something I could respect, not crying, "It's your fault I'm in this kind of state" and hope for people to pity you.
 
The other character of irritation, not necessary hatred, is Akemi Homura. While I understood her circumstances, I couldn't bring myself to like the way she's so clingy to Madoka. And also, her bias treatment towards my favorite character, Sayaka, didn't help a whole lot either.

Anohana is an anime, My Soul Your Beats is the theme song to Angel Beats, Fireworks are made of gunpowder and chemicals (I presume) and they make the sky bright and colorful.

Eh? Responsibility? Job? I don't think any of these terms can be applied to sites like Fuwa. Fuwa is a "for people, by people" kind of site (at least this is what I think it is).
Having some VN sold officially in US does not equals to "yep, its now available!". Pretty sure for many-many people this "availability" changes nothing.
Yes it's not Fuwanovel's job to provide every single Visual Novel for free to the west. But if there are people who can provide, and not necessarily every single, but this or that one - why stop them? And wanted Aaeru that or not - hard to say. But pretty sure she wasn't against it.

Edit: Also in terms of Japanese media (not only VN's) "west" doesn't means US it means everything except Japan.

Edit: oh, while I'm at it. I don't mind Fuwa releases to be removed. (I'm a prepatched release hater after all ). But It kinda hurts to see that people who are satisfied with that official release (and can afford it) are trying to take away stuff from everyone else. Also it doesn't makes sense to remove torrents. Removing the info from the main page (moving the info to the forum?) but keeping torrents makes more sense. Fuwa was never against sharing even already released official translations. Its just having them on the main page is problematic. But now you're talking about removing even fanmade ones...

I actively support the VN industry by buying what gets localized as much as I can, and i'll continue to do so (and soon japanese language VN's as well) regardless of what happens with Fuwa. 
 
That being said, i'm in agreement with those who believe Fuwa should keep those two torrents. When I first joined Fuwa, I was new to VN's and like most of you probably were, I was looking for a site where I could find more of them to enjoy. As someone who is pretty behind the curve when it comes to technology, I had never used a torrent or anything like that before so it was a new experience for me. I wasn't really sure about all of this, then I read some statements written by Aaeru on the subject of copyright and all of that and I have to say I agree with a great majority of her statements on the subject.
 
I likened it to my own beliefs as an artist. As some of you probably know by now, i'm a huge supporter of anything that can be called art. I also do some work myself and while i've been away from all of it for a while, i'm slowly getting back into it. I have had quite a few talks with some fellow artists as well as others who just enjoy art and one thing I often get asked is if I would like to make a living creating art. My answer is always that the though has never crossed my mind. I would gladly make a living teaching it, but not selling it. I believe art is at it's best when it is made for the sake of art itself and nothing else. I plan to become a teacher down the road, and if I do teach art I will try my best to convey this idea to my students.
 
That being said, i'm not one to support forcing anyone to agree to anything, I think it's wonderful that there are so many people with differing opinions and perspectives in this world. It would be a shame if there weren't, as I find it makes life more interesting.
 
But those are just my thoughts on the issue, I will continue to support VN's and art in general regardless of the decision, as well as supporting Fuwa.

Maybe through this vn i can learn how to get ppl to notice me.

Maybe soon I can completely ignore the outside world...

According to them, yes.
 
Because i'm sure 12 year olds really want to read a visual novel about stuff they can't relate to (unless there's 12 year olds piloting gliders nowadays and I've just been living under a rock)