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Man, I wont be able to use my video editor for at least 2 weaks. I do wish to join, but my ask u to postpone ur drawing for a month? I know that sounds like a lot, but Im not the only one with time issues. PS: Ill be sending in my work regardless of the draw, like Tiaga.

Why did you create this thread?

Ooooo no hentai... JK Head towards the ship with ze flag

Why do most of the members on fuwa have female avatars, when their males?

Of to the next hero-uhh shipyard!

Your good at advancing the plot Tiaga. I'll wait until something interesting happens, #more-heroins, then I'll hop on

Well, that's how it happened as I remember. Shizuru's route was the weakest to me, but no worries! Your now heading for Akane's, my fav! Though you'll need to be patient at first, it takes its time to get good

Fuwa is Fuwawesome. Enough said But seriously, comparing it to the average internet site, I'd give it a 4/5. No, its not perfect, but it's pretty darn close

I mean the POSITIVE realistic side. And it seems I have a lot of work to do...

Meh, I kinda replied at the top. Kind of. Accidentaly.

Good stuff Cleph (can I call you Cleph?). I'll be sure to remember 'em. I think what we really need is a new VN, one that discovers the other, more realistic side of polygamy... I believes it has a higher success rate at convincing than endless arguments anyways. Annnnnd that's enough polygamy chatter for me. Of to my new VN...

Do you want me to talk about something based on pure speculation? I would be lying to myself before you. The reasonI talked about all this is because I know it, aka I'm familiar with polygamy. But that's my stop light. On a fundamental level, females should have the right to marry more husbands. Based on freedom. But then we enter the true meaning of equality. As my father use to say, "fairness is not that everyone gets the same, but that everyone gets what he needs" Do females need multiple husbands, the same way males sometimes need multiple wives? I think we need scientific proof for this. And don't start the blind equality argument. Females are not males. They have boobs. They need bras. Based on blind equality, men should were bras. But we don't need 'em. We don't have boobs

This is not uncommon with historical novels. You usually have to have some interest and background info in order to enjoy it. Unless the game is suuuper bad, and I hope its not...

Many guys have played otome games and enjoyed it. I haven't, nor would I suggest it, but hey, as long as your having fun, who's there to stop you?

Historical fiction? Now we're talking! I've been waiting forever for such a VN! RIP romance/highschool genre, it's time for a TRUE tale!

Sanahtlig, if I accepted all your points, that polygamy at some situations in some places may raze the probability of aids, may make your kids less educated, may may may etc, the logical conclusion would be that most people should stay away from it, not that it should a major Global sin, as many people know it today. Most of the problems that supposedly come from polygamy, usually come from other things surrounding it. Like the fact that family's with multiple mothers tend to be less educated is mostly true, but is this the parents fault for practicing polygamy? I think not. It's his/her fault for not taking care of his/her kids. Ugh, you know what? I'll just give you the middle eastern rules and regulations for polygamy:- 1-When you marry, you can only do so while having the full ability to support the new wife (sexually and money wise) and her future family. This goes for the first wife as well, but especially for the rest. 2-The first wife has the right to force her husband not to have another wife (if she wants) 3-The max is 4 wives. (these rules are in no way perfect. But at least their a starting point. I support THIS version of the practice. But if the west were to choose between staying the way they are and blindly copying an uncivilized form of polygamy, I'd recommend the former. ) Now, when people actually follow these rules, they can stop most of the problems that supposedly come from polygamy, like poor education. If you want an example, I believe the best would be the royal Saudi family, who are rich beyond measure, and there kids are famous for being the richest, most successful and most educated in the area. The current king has 4 wives I believe, and I betchya his more than 20 kids are pretty happy. Prince Alwaleed was the worlds 4th richest man in the year 2004. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Waleed_bin_Talal Though I must admit that that example is a bit over the top, so I'll give you one that's a bit closer... And guess whom it is? My grandfather ! Yes, my grandfather, may he rest in piece, had 2 wives. My father is a doctor, has studied abroad, one of my uncles is an ambassador, and all the rest are married/have a job. I'll let you judge how messed up that sounds. (man, is it just me or do I sound like I'm horribly boasting? I hope I'm not understood as such... ) You see, THAT'S when polygamy is done right. When you can fully and rightfully take care of it. My grandfather was a mayor, the king of Saudi is, well, I thinks he's self explanatory. But when you have a poor guy in the middle of Africa who can hardly afford his own life expenses looking for wives... Well, isn't it obvious how things are going to turn out? You may have realised that I am exceptionally fueled in this topic. That is because I have seen and experienced with my very self the bright side of having multiple wives, and the... The Not so bright one. Just like I've met happy family's that practice it, I've met ... Not so happy ones. That's life man. Polygamy is like a sword, if you don't use it correctly, you'll mess up. Does this mean the sword is evil? No, it depends on the wielder. Swords are not meant for everyone, neither is polygamy. (and for Gods sake, I've never heard of females wanting more than one husband, whether here in the middle east or in the west. No, I have no idea how it should be taken care of. Go ask somebody from the Himalayas for that. )

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Most of the stuff and studies you mentioned are studies in africa, where I'm afraid to say almost nothing is civilized. I never said the west should be more like Ethiopia, but I should say more like the middle east, were polgamy has it's laws and it's limits. Sure, both the east and west surpass the middle east on many levels, but especially when it comes to family relationships, both can learn many lessons from there. ( I was bringing examples from Saudi Arabia earlier, hinting this) If you wanna bring studies, bring them from there. And, even if we said polygamy does cause all that stuff, it's still not enough to ban it. It can be argued that prostitution causes all that and much more, but are prostitutes denied their rights, the same way multiple wives are? The last I checked, no... And a lot more stuff that give the same conclusions are not banned either...

Meh, the reason why I didn't discuss female polygamy is that I have hardly heard of its existence. Infact, it has its own word, but you and I didn't use it, why? We hardly ever hear of it. The only place I've heard it happens is some place in the Himalayas, so yeah, its there, but its not even popular enough to deserve mention in this discussion. And, while I can answer the question of marriage and its worth and meaning, it definitely deserves its own thread, plus a lot of typing, so I'll leave that for another day...

Hehehe, I was waiting for this question. (actually, you could say the purpose of this thread was to answer it. So behold!) You can not prove that polygamy is as harmful to society as something like drugs or incest (# aids). What is the harm of allowing people to have more than one wife? If anything, though this is according to each country, many developed countries are facing a very high drop in birth rate. And immigration alone cannot solve the issue, unless you have no problem with one race being dominant over ther rest. That's exactly what's happening with some western countries (#France, #Germany) were people are just starting to realize their own race is threatened with extinction. America is hardly stable even with opening it's doors widely to immigration. And now to the so called "evils of polygamy", the main and most famous reason for the ban, is that :"polygamy is oppressive to women" for those who believe this, simply don't marry men who want more than one wife! No one is forcing you. But to allow the government to ban second and third wives their rights... No No,to support the government in this?! (btw, other reasons are either too outdated or have nothing to do with polygamy to count) And this brings me to my second point:- "The evils of BANNING polygamy" Now, in countries that ban polygamy, their not actually stoping the practice, they just deny the second or plus wife her rights. So what happens? These wives end up fleeing from society, sometimes forcing their family's to flee as well. And you end up with wives with no rights. Wich is why there's no surprise that such family's end up in much chaos. And another evil, when one of the married couple is not sexually satisfied, they end up seeking sex from other sources, and then you have cheating, and then you have divorce, and broken familys... Now, if he just had a second wife, maybe all of this could have not happened... Other smaller evils would include more unmarried people, less children, more divorces... Etc. And so I conclude that all the evils of BANNING polygamy out weigh the evils of it's existence. In the end, people have been living for thousands of years with it, it is a practice that has been supported by the major religions, Islam, Christianity (i don't care what some priests say, the bible says Solomon had 1000 freaking wives) and Judaism and more, and now humanity calls it a sin? Now, of all times? ... I'm not forcing everyone in the world to have a second wife, but in the modern age of so called "freedom and democracy", can't we at least have the freedom of having multiple wives?

So... I suppose we can start by sharing our skype usernames? Mine is: mbabikera And... I'm afraid I'm super chaotic when it comes to time. I'm free mosy of the time, so if you send me a message and I reply, you know I'm online

....wow. You seem to have quite a strange fanbase...

When are you going to change that avatar?

W-wait a sec, you're a warrior?!

But Japanese are too racist for that. If immigration was so easy, I'd be the first one to book a flight.