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2 hours ago, Jun Inoue said:
Rance is an absolute monster. He's played for comedic relief, but tons of the stories and sub-stories in the games show characters with real struggles whom Rance either rapes or tricks into having sex with him. He's a character that gets really scary if you stop half a second to consider his actions and motivations, and I tell you this as a pretty standard fan of rapey stuff "when it's the point", as you said.
I'm glad you get what I mean. Also, yeeesshh. That sounds like it'd piss me off in a similar way to Evenicle, but much worse.
I'm literally sitting here trying to sort through my feelings on this and understand why sometimes I want to feel like the chauvinistic dominant rape overlord and sometimes I want the catgirl slave species to violently revolt and obtain freedom and dignity. Perhaps the protagonist is exactly the problem; I just can't connect emotionally with the stupid horndog fratboy hero. Give me some intelligent evil, cynicism, sadism, something I can actually understand and empathize with.Here's a rapey protagonist I enjoyed much more: http://mangakakalot.com/manga/maou_no_hajimekata
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I just played all of Planetarian in one sitting. My thoughts:
Spoiler1. I can't remember the last time I sobbed like that. My sinuses are sore.
2. Caretaker vibe + robot heroine = perfect for me.
3. It was exactly as long as it needed to be.
4. Why am I wasting my time playing shit like Yandere, Chrono Clock, Kurukuru Fanatic, Nekopara...when stuff like Planetarian exists.
5. Are all Key works this good?! I really just need to play all Key games?! [I played CLANNAD and Little Busters and felt the same way then]
6. It really feels like non-porny VNs are just categorically better than porny ones. It's like as soon as you add a porn scene, it's not gonna be one of the best?
7. Yup playing VNs = the highest experiences of my life.
8. Does she get fixed in the untranslated epilogue?!
9. This is so similar to Lucy, but I wouldn't mind much more just like it.
10. Help me, I'm still crying.
This has helped me refine my goals, here. I want VNs that make me do some or all of the following:
1. Make me cry.
2. Make me daw with lovable flirtation.
3. Get me pumped or emotional with awesome soundtracks.
I don't want to sacrifice quality for the sake of hentai scenes. I certainly enjoy hentai scenes, but I'd rather have no hentai scenes than bad ones that break my immersion. I think that means I want Nakige - not Nukige, not Moege. I have a preference for robots/AI, loli, yandere/loyalty, jealousy, and imoutos, but if I love a personality of a characther that's all that matters (I'll take Ramius's unattractive fatass from Evenicle any day because she's so fucking precious, appreciative, and loyal).If I need to fap, I'm just going to go to "Professor Dave's Masterbation Station". *Opens it up* (Wait why is there a new scene here that wasn't there before?!)
Grisaia really got on my nerves sometimes by dragging on and being too slow, but the more I think back on it the more fondly I remember it. It really was one hell of a complete experience.
Well, I don't think I'm going to make another poll so soon - I'm going to start up second place, Ever17, instead. By the time I finish that, then perhaps enough time has passed that I won't feel guilty making another poll thread from scratch. Thank you for putting up with all my spam, ya'lls input is making my life better :>.
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Welp, that's been long enough I think. Planetarian it is. I'm excited - I haven't played a Key game for a long time. I played a lot of Evenicle while I waited, and ran into some unexpected and disturbing nightmare fuel in that game last night; time to take a break from it for a while! Perfect timing.
I'm guessing if I rerun this poll after I finish Planetarian it'll be Ever17 next. I'll be sure to stick Fate Morgana up there next time too. -
3 minutes ago, Akshay said:
Evenicle Was made by Alicesoft, who made Rance. This should tell you enough.
One of the things that triggered me most was everyone's reaction to rape. It was like you were raped but I saved you so you're fine now and forgets about random girl and goes to have sex.\
And at the very end AFTER YOU CLEAR THE GAME
At the end, the prince who gets croix raped is just like forgiven as though the MC forgot that he got his wife raped. I mean...
I ain't clicking on your final spoiler, sir. I really enjoy Evenicle and I intend on beating it! Legendarily fun and complete feeling game.
SpoilerOccasionally disturbs the fuck out of me though. On chapter five atm. Jabber's storyline...the rape/snuff videos of kidnapped girls...the mental narration of the girl as she's being raped to pieces before being eaten...I wasn't ready for that shit. I'm still feeling deeply uncomfortable about it. I mean, I did fap to it, but still.
I googled Rance, it sounds rapey AF. Aster is often ALMOST a rapist, but Rance sounds like the real deal from the description. I have such mixed feelings. I could totally enjoy rapey hentai if that's the point, but when they go out of their way to make the victims sympathetic it's like whoa, feeling kinda sick. VNs (and VN-like-rpgs) have opened me up to a whole new world of complicated, mixed feelings.
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7 hours ago, r0xm2n said:
Yis! And, and -
SpoilerWhen she dashes up to you to hold your hand, right after you got together, had to be apart, and got together again.
When she's staring out her door waiting for you to get out of the shower.My thoughts before playing this game: Tsundere is dumb
After playing this game: Wheelchair girl started being nice to me and my heart melted, maybe Tsundere is ok -
I think the MC is literally Maou, unless he isn't, because you played to the final chapter. In other words, when you go down a side route, he was always Maou. If you don't, he was never Maou. This is the only explanation I've come up with that satisfies me when I try to understand the side routes and main route simultaneously.
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Is there any reason I shouldn't play planetarium on steam? I keep hearing how steam censors stuff and ruins other stuff, so I'm afraid. I already bought it there when it was on sale, though.
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6 minutes ago, cro-mag said:
Koko/Amakase were my 2nd fav characters in game after Anzu (which is among my the most fav girls ever in VNs). Yeah, sex scenes were not the thing game should be proud about, but i did not pay attention to it, because imo it's not the most important thing here. Moreover, i think they could easily not to do these scenes at all, story was more important. Also, couldn't care less about sisters and Nanaka, that's just not my type. But other 3 routes combined make this VN one of the most dear and memorable for me. I even read Anzu's route twice. She's really the best. And i love her voice so much.
Also i can say that there are some OST here that caught my eye. Like 4 or 5. Especially Anzu's OST. My personal favorite. I think it's beautiful music.
But i can understand those who doesn't think the way i am. It's just DC in general is of course not such thrilled and full of action as MLA or G Senjou no Maou. So it's understandable that so slow paced VNs don't suit to everyone.
As for Ever17, i agree with other people saying that age doesn't matter here. I still think VN looks good and the story is amazing, so give it a try someday if you will.
Koko felt like a bitchy, watered down Nagisa to me. I agree that Anzu is amazeballs, though. Every single line of hers in the entire game is fantastic. Then she just turns into an absolute sweetheart on her path, like wow. Nanaka was so boring, that when I followed her path to my very first venture into Act 2, I stopped and started over. She was interesting in paths that were not her own, though, which is just something that seems to happen sometimes. I could play a whole other game just listening to Anzu and Akane snark it up.
I agree the game could be a lot better without the sex scenes. It really hurts my immersion when there's 0 physical intimacy then 2 minutes later the heroine is like, "uh, let's go have sex now". It's either that or the MC is too pushy, there's no middle ground. It's just poop for sex scenes all around. Amakase is hot, though -.-. Anzu's face is not so bizarrely wide in pretty much every image besides her standard character sprites, and she looks cute then too.
These two tracks were enough for me to prefer Hoshimemo:
I'm very close to playing Ever17, but it looks like Planetarian is currently barely beating it in the pole. I've been playing Evenicle to wait and see how the pole turns out. That game is just amazing, it has everything in it. Fun rpg mechanics, every possible fetish, every possible character body type, the most loving and sweet flirting ever, and horrifically disturbing shit that'll give me nightmares.
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I finished Da Capo 2 while waiting for this poll to resolve:
SpoilerThis is not the first or second time this has happened, but I had put off my least fav character's route to last and it ended up being really good (Koko's route due to Nanaka's enjoyable desperation). Decent enough closure with the little "DC" afterstory at the end. There's a lot about this VN that wasn't to my taste (Weird bodies in the sex scenes, the sister routes I looked forward to so much were weaker than the previous routes, boring as endings that didn't make me cry, weak sound track), but there was a lot that I genuinely enjoyed and even replayed on the spot (Anzu all around lovable, Nanaka peeping from under the covers, Minatsu cute af and having the best flat chest ever, the god-tier snark of the girl trio). I don't regret playing it, it was just enough to make me realize I should probably not pursue VNs made by the same company.
That game, by lacking even a single good soundtrack, helped me realize that even though I'm not a music person in general, the sound track might just be the most important part of a VN to me. It's why MLA's my number one. Just one or two good songs are why Hoshimemo and If My Heart Had Wings blew me away, and allowed me to overlook the awkward flaws of G-String.
Da Capo 2's biggest crime is definitely the fact that the big sassy snark queen herself, Akane, was not a date-able heroine. But, perhaps...this allows her to maintain an unattainable grandeur.
.......and the poll is still tied. I'll go play some Evenicle while I wait for that tie to break.
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16 minutes ago, Dreamysyu said:
Well, not so long ago there were some attempts to complement @Kaguya's list with some other titles, including the ones which were translated more recently. Most of them were genre-specific, but I managed to find two which weren't:
Gosh darn it. I appreciate this, but now I'm going to have to devote some more time to decision making. I suppose in the end, I'm probably going to be referencing all three lists along with researching based on my own developing interests. I can't ignore the fact that CLANNAD isn't on the first list, and MLA isn't on the others, and those two are my favorites. I'll just have to take a mature approach of continually refining my objectives instead of taking the easy route of picking one list and sticking with it. I suppose I'm still partial to the first list because of the title (50 to play before you die, literally #lifegoals). It's my original bucket list, and thus special to me.
I guess I'm just going to keep spamming these forums with questions and requests for suggestions in order to make the best use of my reading time, because it seems like people don't mind helping <3.Also, when someone posts that something is their favorite, it has a strong influence on me. Not the least of which because I know there's at least one person who'd be happy to discuss it with me after I finish it.
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My bad, OP. Just take this tangent as sort of some extra votes for School Days/Shiny Days, perhaps. :>
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1 minute ago, mitchhamilton said:
It's funny that you used Kosame eyes. Hoshimemo was the final straw for me:
SpoilerI want to live forever with my loli grim reaper lover. The fact that the ultimate best ending final game path was the loli path, that the father was also a well-adjusted lolicon, and that the Aunt wholeheartedly accepted your lolicon-ess was what broke the camel's back and made me accept it. Aunt Shino holy shit, favorite character ever. Chinami was just as good as Mare to me, and Aunt Shino catching ya'll sexing and getting excited about grandchildren was the beesstttt. I feel like with Aunt Shino's approval I can finally accept myself.
Those characters are looking purty good. I've always only been attracted to very skinny women/girls as well as naturally going towards caretaker-like relationships, so I think this evolution was inevitable. That said, ironically, I loved Kotonoha sooooo much that I just might have gained some appreciation for somewhat chubby heroines just because of her. Kotonoha is in Shiny Days too, right? She's the star. Body type doesn't matter compared to my appreciation for uber loyalty.
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Just now, Dreamysyu said:
This list is pretty old btw. I'm not sure when exactly it was updated for the last time, but I'm pretty sure Fata Morgana wasn't even translated back then. Overall, it's definitely a must play VN.
As for the VNs in the poll, I'm voting for Planetarian. It's a pretty short VN, I personally read it in one go, but it still manages to create a really meaningful story, and it's my personal favorite Key VN. It's also a very nice example that you don't have to include 30 hours of slice-of-life to make the sad parts actually sad.
Is that so?
Is there a more updated list you would recommend? I might seriously consider switching over to it. I should probably start a new thread asking for just that, I guess.I figured any decent list was better than wasting time trying to figure out what exact list to use, but if there's a newer and categorically better list I'd be grateful to find it.
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2 minutes ago, adamstan said:
It's possible. After all, with the original TL, I often couldn't figure what's going on at all - that's why I dropped it, while in new version I enjoyed all routes - and even repeating Kotori's route felt nice.
At worst case, you can skip through routes that you enjoyed with "bad" translation, and reread just Ageha and Amane.
Oh? Kotori's was still worth repeating? Hm...
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Just now, mitchhamilton said:
eh, its kind of easier, but not much. its not as gritty as school days, for sure. lot more light hearted and less back stabbing, although there still are a few some dark moments. i enjoyed it overall though. you get to get with the girls moms and ill always enjoy some milfs.
Ha! I've recently discovered that I'm more on the loli, imouto, cat-girl side of things...I thought I was above all that, but no. Perhaps I am growing into a beautiful young weeb.
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2 hours ago, adamstan said:
Yep, that was old patch.
I read Kotori's route with it (and ejoyed it), and then dropped it, because Ageha's route was almost unreadable due to bad translation.
Then I picked up retranslation patch when it came out and replayed the game - and indeed it was great.
New patch is here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/IMHHW/comments/8ac8ba/konosoraimhhw_retranslation_patch/I did Ageha and Amane's path last, and they seemed to be hit the worst. I had absolutely no trouble enjoying the other paths. I think Ageha is lame, but I'd love to enjoy Amane's route a little more. Then again, maybe Ageha won't be so lame with a new translation. Thanks for the link! I am a little tempted to play the whole game over again. But I'm actually on a little bit of a "time limit" and I'm trying to finish this list while i can:
I let myself get lots on tangents and play other games, but I'm not sure I can justify replaying one just yet. I really appreciate you sharing your thoughts on it and bringing it to my attention, as well as linking the better patch. I enjoyed that game enough that there's a nonzero chance I will play it again with the better translation. I'm also regretting playing the steam version of MLA since it killed an important scene, and MLA is my all time favorite, so I'm considering replaying that one one day tool.
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Just now, adamstan said:
If only there was decent translation for it... As it is now, with each TL worse than the other, I'm not going anywhere near it
I greatly enjoyed it despite the poor translation. However, I was also made aware that I'm only getting about 50% of the pleasure out of what is an extremely deep game. It seems to have the property of being enjoyable no matter how deep you choose to get into it, however. As long as you aren't turned off at the start from the sexual harassment elements.
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23 minutes ago, adamstan said:
For me LB! was first Key VN I read. Despite that I still enjoyed older ones - Kanon, Air and Clannad. But I'm not bored by "slow" titles - as long as I like characters
And old graphics isn't instant turn-off for me - sometimes I genuinely like it. For example, I loved heroines look in Season of Sakura or overall graphic feel of Nocturnal Illusion. YU-NO looks really promising too.
Now I'm feeling guilty again. Hah.
I really liked the art style of Cross Channel...so dreamy...characters are so lithe...reminds me somehow of final fantasy tactics? -
6 hours ago, Funyarinpa said:
Ever17 has inconsistent pacing/atmosphere but it's still a wonderful VN and has one of my favorite characters in the medium (Sora).
So I voted for that, but I'll add that you gotta play The House In Fata Morgana if you haven't already.
I'm trying to knock out this list, although I'm also going on plenty of tangents. Do you think The House In Fate Morgana shoulda been on it and is one of the best all around must plays?
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20 hours ago, mitchhamilton said:
shiny days, i guess. its more lighthearted than school days, still has a flowchart and has different perspectives. its not as exciting as detroit but its got those mechanics.
Is shiny days worth playing if I enjoyed school days?
I thought school days was raw and gritty and awesome with realistic skanky and obsessive characters.However, the navigation was hella tedius. Flowchart or not, it was incredibly difficult to do everything because of that retarded green/red bar system. Is shiny days any easier to navigate?
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11 minutes ago, adamstan said:
Did you use latest retranslation patch? It sounds like you played old "restoration patch" that restores h-scenes, but retains original awful translation.
Aw shoot I'm not sure how to tell.
SpoilerI downloaded it from Erogedownload so whichever version that is, I can't tell by looking at the download page. It does say "If My Heart Had Wings restoration/uncensor patch" so it uses the word restoration so that may very well be it.
Regardless, I'm not going to replay the game again ever probably because I did actually enjoy and finish it already. I may always be a little scarred, however, at just how cringey the MC was during the hentai scenes with the more dominant heroines. But I will also always be a little happier because of how flippin' cute it was to walk around with a proud twin on each hand to that bouncy awesome soundtrack.
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8 hours ago, Larxe1 said:6 hours ago, phantomJS said:4 hours ago, Kurisu-Chan said:6 hours ago, Funyarinpa said:7 hours ago, cro-mag said:
So, I kinda noped out of Kanon, Da Capo 1, and Kana little sister because they just felt so old and slow. It's hard for me to get into them after playing something as gloriously beautiful as the Grisaia series or as intensely engaging as Little Busters and MLA. Guilt at not giving them a chance may eventually make me finish them, but after some people commented that "nah, they're really just that old so don't worry about it", I feel better about leaving them stalled and moving on to newer things.
I did at least start up Ever17 and SteinsGate to see what they were like but then I got pretty worried at how old they looked. They seem to be one of the favoritist of everyone, though. Are they, unlike those previous others, the kind that simply always worth it to push through despite the original turn-off at the aged appearance? I don't want to be a graphics snob or something; I mostly just want to spend my time effectively. -
8 hours ago, cro-mag said:
Maybe it's like @Larxe1 said and Ever17 is indeed made for certain people. But i can say i played it 3 years ago and since then i've been considering it as a masperpiece, one of the best VNs i've ever read and the best in Infinite trilogy followed by Remember11. So i totally recommend it. As for the others - well, i may sound rather obviously, but choose VN according to your mood. As i can see, both Da Capo in your list are stated as "Stalled", so dunno about DC3, if you didn't especially like previous ones. Although some people find it better. Well, maybe they're "stalled" not because you don't like it, in that case ignore me)) Both Ever17 and Steins;Gate offer great story. Maybe former is a bit... lighter, for the lack of other word. But if you'd like to play something involving thrill and mysteries, choose Danganronpa.
Thanks for spending the extra effort and looking at my list. Yeah stalled means I more or less gave up on it. I had just played Hoshimemo and was wow'd. Going from that to Da Capo 2 made me feel kinda let down - they're so comparable as far as scope and setting, and Hoshimemo is just flatly superior in every way. I think that's why I got bored of Da Capo 2; it just made me want to replay Hoshimemo. Also the navigation is a nightmare and the music is disappointing.
I'm gonna power through it and finish it though because it's really not a bad game and I do really enjoy at least one part of every route, I just needed a break. Every other stalled game I'm making no guarantees I'll ever finish it. I'm kinda hoping Da Capo 3 will grab me more, but I definitely should throw a different kind of VN in the mix first so I don't get bored again for the same reason. Maybe there's actually a single good soundtrack in Da Capo 3 so I might actually be able to cry like I'm supposed to.
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Ooh, 10 points for tying it back into the original topic so smoothly...