Intrinsic

I have already spent around 300 dollars to buy Grisia no Kajitsu and its two sequels in anticipation that they will be fan translated too.
 
I don't like the fact that sekai project is now doing Grisia no Kajitsu as it might result in no fan translation for the two sequels of the game.
 
Also this "official" translation will be an all ages version. Most of the entertainment value during the long common route is the adult humor. The later stories contained a lot of adult content too and it's hard to imagine these stories being as good without that adult content. Even the H-scenes, which were my least favorite portion of this visual novel, would be missed if they were removed.
 
Companies sole purpose is to make money. Supporting a neutered visual novel market will result in us getting more neutered visual novels, and not translated works with all their original content and ideas intact.
 
If this release was a full and proper release, and not a censored version, I'd buy it for sure as I really liked this visual novel. Spending more money solely to support the gimping of one of my favorite visual novels, I'm not so sure is a good idea though...

VNs hit a sweet spot for me packing everything I liked into one package.
 
I like narrative, but western stories are often quite reserved often following very safe and conventional plot lines and ways of thinking. Even the “controversial” reading material created in the west is almost formulaic
 
I like reading but I read slowly. Without other stimuli, like sound and nice art, I would often lose the will to grind through more brown and black pages to extra the story hidden within. Also I like some visual images with the story, so that enjoying a vivid scene is not all a test of one’s imaginative abilities. Typically if western media starts adding pictures to a medium that medium loses depth and maturity. VNs retain full novel depth and their mature content while providing beautiful art, and other stimuli while reading.
 
I like anime style art, so I was attached to Japanese RPG games, but I found that I don’t like repetitive girding, I like narrative, so these types of games were not for me. VNs on the other hand were exactly what I was really looking for.
 
The music with NVs can add depth, and simply having a sound track adds value
 
The themes provided in VNs paint the picture they want to paint without worrying too much about what people might think. Harems, perfectly crafted girls, taboo scenarios, strong human emotion and desires are painted without restraint. So many basic human desires and emotions look bad in the public eye, so they are simply avoided in other media, as not to offend anyone and gain mass appeal. VNs not only use these “awkward” themes but they have refined these desires and feelings into acute pieces of art.
 
Character stories are by far my favorite. I don’t much care for worldly events. I like when the world acts as a stage for a character’s story and conflict. In western media it’s often the other way around and the characters are a lot shallower and are almost more like props for a more global story. I don’t care about global stories, and like personal struggle, conflict, and development to be the story, rather than be part of a story.
 
Motivational messages and thoughts about life are often found in VNs. VNs novel toy with concepts about the human condition, how one should live life, how people almost need each other or how living certain ways can shape people. These philosophical concepts are great food for though. I’d go so far as to say that there is almost a subliminal message in Japanese media telling people that life is harsh and pushing forward regardless is worthwhile as there is a strange beauty in the darkness, confusion, and pain that is life. I like how these themes make me feel, and like the food for thought.
 
I like anime, but they often lack the depth you can get from a book. VNs provide that depth while still providing me with all the things I like about anime.
 
I like female characters, and cute things in my stories, and VNs deliver with prejudice
 
Even the visual novel industry is interesting. Companies work closely with fans and are rather transparent. We also might be on the verge of seeing more content official coming to the west.
 
Starting to read VNs I found myself acting like a kid again; staying up later than I should reading till all hours of the night simply because I was enjoy myself that much. I’ve not had that kind of experience with a game or any other type of media in quite a while. While I do enjoy other things, it’s not to the extent that I’d put off my chores and stay up till all hours of the night like some irresponsible youth. But then again, it’s great that I’ve once again found something in life I do enjoy that much.

VNs hit a sweet spot for me packing everything I liked into one package.
 
I like narrative, but western stories are often quite reserved often following very safe and conventional plot lines and ways of thinking. Even the “controversial” reading material created in the west is almost formulaic
 
I like reading but I read slowly. Without other stimuli, like sound and nice art, I would often lose the will to grind through more brown and black pages to extra the story hidden within. Also I like some visual images with the story, so that enjoying a vivid scene is not all a test of one’s imaginative abilities. Typically if western media starts adding pictures to a medium that medium loses depth and maturity. VNs retain full novel depth and their mature content while providing beautiful art, and other stimuli while reading.
 
I like anime style art, so I was attached to Japanese RPG games, but I found that I don’t like repetitive girding, I like narrative, so these types of games were not for me. VNs on the other hand were exactly what I was really looking for.
 
The music with NVs can add depth, and simply having a sound track adds value
 
The themes provided in VNs paint the picture they want to paint without worrying too much about what people might think. Harems, perfectly crafted girls, taboo scenarios, strong human emotion and desires are painted without restraint. So many basic human desires and emotions look bad in the public eye, so they are simply avoided in other media, as not to offend anyone and gain mass appeal. VNs not only use these “awkward” themes but they have refined these desires and feelings into acute pieces of art.
 
Character stories are by far my favorite. I don’t much care for worldly events. I like when the world acts as a stage for a character’s story and conflict. In western media it’s often the other way around and the characters are a lot shallower and are almost more like props for a more global story. I don’t care about global stories, and like personal struggle, conflict, and development to be the story, rather than be part of a story.
 
Motivational messages and thoughts about life are often found in VNs. VNs novel toy with concepts about the human condition, how one should live life, how people almost need each other or how living certain ways can shape people. These philosophical concepts are great food for though. I’d go so far as to say that there is almost a subliminal message in Japanese media telling people that life is harsh and pushing forward regardless is worthwhile as there is a strange beauty in the darkness, confusion, and pain that is life. I like how these themes make me feel, and like the food for thought.
 
I like anime, but they often lack the depth you can get from a book. VNs provide that depth while still providing me with all the things I like about anime.
 
I like female characters, and cute things in my stories, and VNs deliver with prejudice
 
Even the visual novel industry is interesting. Companies work closely with fans and are rather transparent. We also might be on the verge of seeing more content official coming to the west.
 
Starting to read VNs I found myself acting like a kid again; staying up later than I should reading till all hours of the night simply because I was enjoy myself that much. I’ve not had that kind of experience with a game or any other type of media in quite a while. While I do enjoy other things, it’s not to the extent that I’d put off my chores and stay up till all hours of the night like some irresponsible youth. But then again, it’s great that I’ve once again found something in life I do enjoy that much.

I've became fan of the medium primarily due to lack of restrains and taboos in stories.
Saya no Uta managed to transgress pretty much every taboo of modern entertainment industry (and I don't mean purely moral stuff — this includes concept of "bad ends", which aren't just simple "game over" screens but deep stories which try to convey protag's feeling of despair to you), and I immediately started seeking more of that.
For most VN writers there's no editors or publishers above them who tell them what is acceptable and what isn't, they just write it the way they want.

Interesting question, I've been thinking about it for a bit and I think part of it is that I've always enjoyed reading for as long as I can remember, and also have always enjoyed video games, including ye-olde text adventure games from the west.  The dating-sim/moege aspect can sometimes also have some influence, depending on my mood, I've always been a sucker for these type of games where you choose your favorite girl and try to have a romance with her, but I also enjoy reading deeper stories that make me think about life and probably wouldn't have the same impact in other mediums.  I'm the type who can stop on a line to think about it for a while, so it usualy takes me forever to finish any VN.
 
I like your point about corporate influence on video games though.  It makes a lot of sense to me and probably affected my liking of the medium without me realizing it.  It would also explain why I find myself interested in less and less console titles as years go by. (At least, Falcom, Atlus and a few others are still holding to flame.)

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Dunno about quotes, but here's a few popular sayings.

悪妻は百年の不作。 (Akusai wa hyaku-nen no fusaku) Literally: A bad wife spells a hundred years of bad harvest.
This means: A bad wife is a ruin of her husband.

残り物には福がある。 (Nokorimono ni wa fuku ga aru) Literally: Luck exists in the leftovers.
This means: There is luck in the last helping.

虎穴に入らずんば虎子を得ず。 (Koketsu ni irazunba koji wo ezu) Literally: If you do not enter the tiger's cave, you will not catch its cub.
This means: Nothing ventured, nothing gained. / You can't do anything without risking something.

夏炉冬扇 （karo tōsen) Literally: Summer heater winter fan
This means: Something which is out of season and therefore rendered useless.

花鳥風月 (Kachou Fuugetsu) Literally: Flower, Bird, Wind, Moon
This means: Experience the beauties of nature, and in doing so learn about yourself.

起死回生 (kishi kaisei) Literally: Wake from death and return to life
This means: To come out of a desperate situation and make a complete return in one sudden burst.

自業自得 (Jigou Jitoku) Literally: One's Act, One's profit/Advantage.
This means: That's what you get, Just desserts, You reap what you sow.

瓜田李下 (kaden rika) Literally: Melon field, under a plum tree
This means: Stepping into a melon field, standing under a plum tree (, such behavior causes misunderstanding that you want to steal those fruits); implying that you must avoid actions which could be taken on a bad faith.

晴天の霹靂 (Seiten no heki-reki) Literally: Thunderclap from a clear sky.
This means: A bolt from the blue. / A complete surprise.

猿も木から落ちる。 (Saru mo ki kara ochiru) Literally: Even monkeys fall from trees.
This means: Everyone makes mistakes. / Nobody's perfect.

蓼食う虫も好き好き (Tade kuu mushi mo sukizuki) Literally: There are even bugs that eat knotweed.
This means: There's no accounting for taste. / To each his own.

井の中の蛙大海を知らず。 (I no naka no kawazu taikai wo shirazu) Literally: A frog in a well does not know the great sea.
This means: People are satisfied to judge things by their own narrow experience, never knowing of the wide world outside.

蛙の子は蛙。 (Kaeru no ko wa kaeru) Literally: Child of a frog is a frog.
This means: Like father, like son.

Short answer:
Yes, H-scenes are a necessary, as they are an valuable and irreplaceable tool that a visual novel writer has at their disposal to evoke specific enjoyable human emotions.
 
 
Long answer:
I dislike when creative expression is limited in any fashion. The idea of making an “all ages” game for the sake of making an “all ages” game is an irritating notion. When an artist is given complete freedom to create anything they want, the end result will be the best and the most pure expression of human thought and emotion that can be created. If the end result of unrestricted creativity is an all ages title, I have nothing against it, and it’s probably an all ages title worth reading.
 
H-scence can serve at least two purposes I can think of. They can evoke feelings of closeness like an emotional bond and intimacy, or they can simply be indented to create sexual arousal. These two emotions are often avoided or approached in different ways in western media. I’d say H-scenes are one of the biggest defining differences VNs have when compared to other media. Many people want to experience these emotional states while reading, but it’s also clear many of these same people are uncomfortable doing so. In most cases people will not clearly come out and say the true reason they enjoyed eroge in their visual novel. People will either dance around the topic talking about the story only, or will make a joke out of it, making jokes about faping or what not.
 
Not all H-scenes are will placed or well excited. It’s like the start of the punisher movie. The movie starts with a failed dig for sympathy before the guy goes on his revenge rampage. Just because that attempt failed at creating the motion the writer wanted, and might have been awkward, doesn’t mean digs for sympathy should be removed from movies. It’d be like starting a forum thread titled “are digs for sympathy in movies really necessary?” Not everyone will enjoy this type of emotional experience in a movie, nor will it always be well placed or excuted, but a writer should be allowed the freedom to try and evoke any emotion they want.
 
I’ve not tried all that many VNs yet, but of the ones I’ve tried, I’d never want the H-scenes to be removed. In one visual novel I read the eroge was boring and awkward, but in the big picture it did create the building blocks and feelings that were necessary for the strong intimate relationship the story contained. In another NV a legitimately good story was married to arousing content. Enjoying a good story that is both intellectually stimulating and sexually arousing at the same time is a wonderful treat that I don’t think western media will ever provide me.
 
Removing H-scenes from VNs would be removing a large part of what they are. Such honest and uninhibited attempts at expression are amazing and are not something that should be tampered with and censored.  People who do appreciate eroge scenes just need to be more honest and mature when they express what they actually enjoyed while playing a VN.
 
 
Context:
The answer I provided above, to the question “H-Scenes. Really necessary?” was provided while considering the visual novel genre of media as a whole. In other words, would this genre of media be better off if all eroge was removed from it completely?
 
If eroge was removed from all the VNs I’ve read, I’d feel like something was missing, even in the novels where I didn’t really care for the eroge at all.