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So, like 90% of VNs, where protag is just taking off girls clothes, twisting their nipples, and putting it when he wants to, even if girl is screaming literally to stop? (shots fired)

Oh yes, so much this. And @Satsuki - care to explain differences between two?

I hated it. Forewarning the player that something bad will happen. Like putting the sentencce "and that was a last time I have seen her" and then few hours in the game alter, protag finds out she is dead. It's killing the tension, mood, everything. Also - I hate futanaris. Not a fan of tentacles (but if done well, like Marunomi, then can be fun) and guro. Anything else - I'm fine if story is good.

First diclaimer - Extra actually doesn't have any typical 'slice of life'. I would say it's just a pure 'slice of life based over the top comedy'. So comparission to something like Clannad is just... apples and oranges. And indeed, Majikoi has some great comedy in its common route (don't know the rest). But so does MLE. Buuuut. You mentioned Hoshimemo. Okay, thank you, we're done here. Nothing to talk to you about (I gave that boring piece of cancer shit whole 4.8/10).

Any titles you would recommend to 'educate myself'?

Now I can clearly see why.

Well, "They announced a remake of the original Tsukihime in the June 2008" So yeah. First arts, sprites, or something was shown last year I believe. You have ultimate chuuni on your avatar mate. Oh, you're confusing chuuni with cuunibyou, which is common I would say. So, Chuunibyou is a 'superhero wannabe' and chuuni is a 'superhero'. You know, like in Steins;Gate, Okarin is only pretending to be a mad scientist who is taking over the world, while reall chuuni would be actually taking over the world. So chuuni is great. Chuunibyou - depends. Still love S;G but I was trying to start it twice, and only a second time, when I know that protag is a madman (well, he is not, but he gives that impression at fist...) I was able to endure the beginning and really dive in that best VN I ever read. And that's how I see it. Maybe I'm mistaken, but I don't think I'm wrong much. [again - I don't know how to edit my previous post to add a new quote, somebody will teach me? ]

I personally don't really get why Muv Luv Extra (the first one) get so much shit. It's slice of life comedy, with short branching rpoutes. It's silly, it's over the top, it's rather dumb, but it's (for me at last) very funny. I remember laughing out loud few times, and that is not a common thing for me, while reading VNs. So don't believe in opinions try it for yourself. But still - I would recommend to wait a few months with MuvLuv series. In March we will get official release, with polished translation of Muv Luv Extra/Unlimited, then few months after polished (and polishing is really needed here!) Muv Luv Alernative, and next few months later we will get photonlowers and photonflowers, which are basically all fandiscs combined in two 'packs'. So far I read only 'Muv Luv Altered Fable' from those fandiscs, and it is my favourite chapter of Muv Luv series (although not canon, it still not contradicts anything and could be canon). Especially right after Alternative, I found myself in need to live with those muvluv characters for a longer piece of time, and in some lighter form. And Altered Fable was PERFECT for that. So basically - wait for a few months. And if translation of Kimi ga Nozomu Eien (which is being made as we speak) suddenly be done at that point - the better, and maybe you should think of starting muvluv adventure reading here, not on Muv Luv Extra. But I haven't read it yet, so will not voice my oppinion on it. And you said there is like million - yeah, it is. Muv Luv chronicles, total eclipse etc. But don't mind them. Main story is MuvLuv Extra/Unlimited - MuvLuv ALternative - (MuvLuv Altered Fable which is perfect afterstory). Everything else is just additional stories with new characters in that universum, sometimes with recurring characters from main series, but not in main points of these stories. Few words at the end of this post: - Kei Ayamine best girl in Extra - Kasumi Yashiro best girl in Unlimited (Tama far away second, cause no bond was made with Ayamine in my opinion) - Kasumi Yashiro best girl in Alternative (Kei Ayamine far away second) - Kashiwagi Haruko best girl in Altered Fable (although I HATED 'her' story in fandisc called Haruko Maniax - I will talk about that in spoiler below) And while I gave MuvLuv series grades like 7; 8; 8.5; 7.8 is by far my favourite series. Although has it flaws, and f.e Steins;Gate is much, much better vn, my love for ML is incontestable. It started with really hating the art style on screens on vndb, and really hating the game in first like 20 minutes (art style, stupid Tsundere right at the start etc), but it was really short time till I started loving this. Reall rollercoaster of emotions, really low level of 'cancer', really an Experience, not only a 'just a vn'. Haruko Maniax:

Those are the persons I wanna mash their heads at the walls the most. Airhead stubborness is the worst.

Hah, yes! I remember my laughter at Isuzu route from Hoshimemo, when he, while working few hours a day, few dawys a week at a cafe with zero to little customers suddenly was able to pay for

Have this group ('The Oxford Comma is Superior Subs' I believe) said anything about their next translation project?

So... traits. Searching by them on vndb seems impossible. Or maybe I'm just too stupid? If I'm wrong here, then please enlighten me. But right now I can't see the way to easy find a vn from particular genre (lets take charamoege for example) where heroine is wearing glasses/heels/hoods. Do you know how to find that? I don't want to go to trait list and open every single one character and check her vn, genre, translation avaiability, etc. And if I'm right and it's impossible to find that on vndb, then maybe can you help me with those traits? Note: Ikinari Anata ni Koishiteiru has 2 heroines with hooded sweaters, and one of them is even wearing hood on her head, which is great. So this is all I know.

After first bad end of Kara no Shoujo. Damn, it's so much better than Cartagra. Not as dark unfortunatelly, but besides music, everything is done right. Charactters, plot, detective work, protagonist. It's good. BUT. The system. These blind choices are painfull. I want to read this without walkthrough, but I'm unable, because there is no way to know, what I did right or wrong. Just shooting in blind... It kills the mood.

Know any article about that?

Basicaly the biggest similiarity is probably that both of them vere charage, that came out translated at the end of last year (4 days difference between them).

I youtubed Noble Works to check that dynamics of sprites and indeed. They're really active, which is really nice. From my point of view (check my vndb ) it's like crossing Muv-Luvs' sprites poses with Ikinaris' sprites movement during talking. Still - no lip sync, which is sad. But we're going more and more into full animated territory. Animated h scenes, high sprites mobility... I wonder if we lived to day, when most of new vns will look like School Days. Also thanks for answers everybody.

That's... pretty accurate. Most of green haired characters I've seen, were maids.

In every situation when somebody even slightly doesn't feel well, appears a sentence: "Don't push yourself too hard." I have yet to encounter vn without these words...

Many of you mentioned Princess Evangile. Care to elaborate the differencess between those two?

Agree...to some point. Clumsy/childish characters can be great but they must by shy. Chinami was pure opposite of shyness, obnoxious and loud, so thats a big no-no for me. But cute, shy not loli heroines? Luv'em all. Other cliche... strange/cold~deres. Don't know the proper word. But those girls who are cold, speaking with little amount of words, and acting a little strange. Basically Rei Ayanami. Best thing ever.

That's fucked up. I loved it.

Bolded - main issue is, he's no doing his job at all. But this is a discussion to after you finish it.

Tonight I'm starting Kara No Shoujo. I'm so pumped up! Cartagra had sooo much potential, great technical side, great dark mood, great art style, music, but all it was wasted on shitty characters, absolutly no detective work from protag, bland plot with unlogicall plotfarts and hilarious branching endings. But I heard that Kara is much better, so my expectations are high. I really, really hope to not be disappointed like in Cartagra.

Are you able to explain your love to tsunderes guys? Or is it 'just a feeling', with no reasonable reasons whatsoever? Cause I just hate tsunderes and can't understand how anybody can love them. (also - Kurisu from Steins;Gate was not a tsundere.)