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Eh, I can't blame Fuwa either. For the content ban, that is, there's no excuse to forbid actually talking about loli stuff. There's honestly no need to risk it. People can go get their lolis elsewhere. Though, since it seems like the discussion ban has been somewhat lifted, I'll just say that it'll always strike me as really bizarre that child pornography laws even applies to lolicon. Why, you might ask? Well, because in lolicon there's no child

Ah... yeah, I get what you mean. As you can probably tell, I have views diametrically opposed to his, but really, I'm up for discussion as long as the person in question shows that he's interested in having a discussion and not just desperately seeking agreement. When all your claims come down to "this is wrong, if you like this you are a bad person, and if you don't think like that you are so as well", well, it's difficult to not be annoyed by that behavior, if you ask me, as much as I try to stay collected.

I was not there during 2015 when all this shit went down, but as far as I can tell, it seems like just as a preventive measure all lolicon content and discussion thereof was banned. So yeah, not only you can not post lolis, you cannot talk about it either Though we are technically talking about it now and this thread is not closed yet, so it seems we do have some leeway as long as things don't get too heated. Well, to be honest the same thing that has been said (or at least, that I've personally said) about lolicon content applies to sexual violent content, the other point of conflict OP made. Heck, even the whole 'but there's Trump supporters" issue has been discussed. So I don't think that's the only topic that's been addressed.

As always you come across as a reasonable person who, even if I don't fully agree with all your points, makes me want to dialog to try and understand better why you think the way you do. So, addressing your example first, if some group of people told me that they find some term offensive, even if it was not my intention to offend them, yeah, I definitely would try to avoid it at least in their presence. That's just common sense, and common decency. You know, the problem is that when people talk about political correctness they don't refer to this 'common decency' anymore, but to that outrage culture abomination, the reason being that it's just what's more prevalent. Now, as for fiction, and here is where we probably disagree, but by virtue of being you, I'm not afraid of disagreeing I do find some content disgusting, but I will firmly stick up for the right of ANY kind of fictional content to exist. Persecuting fiction is simply thought policing, and that restriction of our freedom would accomplish anything. Seriously, I would consider giving some things up if it seriously made a difference in real world issues, but I can't see how banning fictional depictions of rape and/or child abuse or any other kind of largely considered disgusting stuff would protect ACTUAL victims of those crimes in the real world. I know this is not completely on topic, but if you don't mind, have the time and feel like having a private conversation with me over that, I'd be more than glad.

Personally I believe it's a matter of intentionality. If it was the person's intention to hurt somebody's feelings, then yeah, it's lack of empathy. People just speaking their mind in a place they are rightfully allowed to do so, and someone getting hurt over it is just retarded. Well, not the 'getting hurt' part itself, that can happen to everyone (it should'nt actually, but it requires a lot of emotional stabilty which I can say that I don't personally have at this point of my life), but going of your way to tell everybody 'hey, your opinions hurt muh feelings, please stop! " certainly is.

Well, in defense of OP, it's very difficult to have a real discussion about the points he brings up when it's the mods who say that you are not allowed to discuss them, even if that's obviously the main intention of this topic. Otherwise he would've just said "I'm fed up with this community and I'm leaving. Goodbye" instead of writing a long winded post about things he believes that should change. It's also very little productive, because honestly, this is all a matter of morality and morals shaming, and that's as subjective as it gets. Lolicon witch hunt is essentially telling people who don't get to decide what arouses them to not be aroused by lolis, because it's somehow wrong, in spite of not involving nor directly hurting anyone else. And I say 'else' because the only point OP made is that those people are hurting themselves. As I already said, though I believe my post has been hidden, that's a really condescending attitude that assumes that adult people are not competent enough to know what's harmful for them, while OP, for some reason at his tender 19 does know what's best for everyone. My position, as someone who doesn't have any fetishes nor sexual paraphilias that I know of, is that people should mind their own business. For stuff that involves the protection of real children and people in general we fortunately have laws. I get that you feel disgusted by some things. Everyone does. But going out of your way to shame and try to 'educate' people into your vision of the world reminds me of the treatment homosexual people got in the past because a large majority found them disgusting, even if they weren't hurting anyone. And don't you dare say that I support pedophilia or child abuse. Seriously, don't even try, because insults are the least you'll receive from me if you do.

Yes, and laws don't have accomodate to YOU. If it's legal it's not necessarily right, but what YOU think it's right is worthless. If you really want to change the law, study politics, work your way up the ladder to a power position, get elected democratically by the citizens of your country, and then, with society's approval, change what you think must be changed. As long as I'm not breaking the law of my country or the place I'm currenly in (and this even applies to fuwanovel), yes, I'm not doing anything wrong by any objective standard. I hope you realize how dangerous it is to say otherwise. I hope you do, but I know you most likely don't, because I can already tell you are one of those people who believe there's nothing wrong with mob justice. Honestly the fact that you put forward the fact that 'fuwanovel allows Trump supporters' as a reason -even if you made clear it's not your main reason- for wanting to leave, says a lot about your stance. Just for the record, I'm not even American and couldn't care less about EEUU's politics, but I know for a fact that he's been elected democratically, so allow me to ask who the hell are you to shit on a big chunk of EEUU's population? I can't see where's the respectful part about calling Trump voters bigots, and expressing that, in your opinion, they shouldn't even be allowed in a forums that has nothing to do with politics, since, in your words, that's condoning bigotry. The same goes for lolicon content and violent sexual content. Maybe you can't easily separate reality and fiction, but I can assure you that most of the people who consume lolicon content are not attracted to real children, and the wet dreams of most people who consume rape content is not raping a real woman. Insinuating otherwise is insulting people by calling them potential criminals.

I remember I had an argument with you over some political views that touched upon some of the topics you mention here. Keeping that in mind and recalling how things transpired, I know better than to engage in another debate with you. Moreover, that's completely beside the point. If you feel hurt, frustrated or whatever by being here, hey, just leave, that's your prerogative and there's no right or wrong. But just let me tell you one thing. No matter where you go, you'll find people whose opinions heavily conflict with yours. Some of them you'll find disgusting and will make you feel outraged. Maybe if you had the power to do so you'd become a tyrant and outright ban everything that doesn't fit your vision of the world. But you know what? The truth of the matter is that you are powerless, and no one cares about what you think is right. If you don't learn to accept that you'll feel uncomfortable anywhere and everywhere. Optionally you could create your own echo chamber, shun everyone that makes you feel offended and become the bigot that you accused other people of being. Again, your prerogative. Let me remind you that in order not to leave everything to the subjective righteousness of a few, we have laws. As long as those laws are abided by, we must objectively accept that no human rights have been violated. You are obviously entitled to feel in a certain way about a subject, but by openly holding in contempt law-abiding people who just happen to differ in their views you come across as someone who prooobably should get off his high horse. Carelessly disliking people and making you unlikable yourself doesn't tend to yield very good results, that much I can unfortunately tell from experience, because I think as teenagers everyone stood there to some extent. Some people just drag it out for longer than it should last.

Sweet potato~

I just picked up Fureraba and oh god, I'm enjoying this way more than I ever would've expected. I'm not the biggest fan of moege... Just because the lack of conflict usually puts me off. I mean, it's a fundamental part of storytelling to give your characters some goal, something at stake and some obstacles, that's what makes a story interesting, right? Well I still don't think I'm mistaken there, but who tf cares about plot when literally every single scene has you laughing your ass off or dying from a cuteness overdose, or both at the same time. I'm just a man dude... I can't help it. So yeah, I have still a bit left of Misaki's route, but if every route maintains this level of comedy and fluffiness... It's gonna be a blast. And once more, the lesson I once learnt the hard way about never writing off anything because of its genre pays off greatly.

As much as I like minori... I have to agree There's so many problems with Trinoline that I don't even think it's worth the effort to list them.

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It has a decent story for a VN with such a huge amount of porn scenes. If most eroges can be classified as 'plot with porn', euphoria would be 'porn with plot'. That alone distinguishes it from most nukiges out there. The main problem you might find is that the porn is (for most people anyway) anything but arousing. It can be hard to stomach for some people (normies ). So, to sum it up... Don't go into it expecting the story of your life because you'll be disappointed, but as long as you keep your expectations not too high and can withstand the more hardcore content, it makes for an interesting read. Above average anyway.

I haven't finished it yet. But afaik at first you can only pick SHIRONE or Yuuri's route. Then Sara's route will unlock once you've read both. As for the choices, for Yuuri's route you pick going for a stroll on the beach, and for SHIRONE you stay in your room having a siesta.

I've picked up Trinoline and spent the afternoon reading it. Is this the most frustrating piece of fiction in existence? I can confidently say that no other VN, anime or whatever has made me rage so hard, so many times, in a suposedly unintended way. And I'm just about 6 or 7 hours in.

For the time being, I'll be watching kitsune loli, kimetsu no yaiba and the fruits basket remake. Senko-san gives me kobayashi's dragon maid vibes. A cute and fluffy slice of life is always welcome if it has a proper execution I liked the first ep. Kimetsu no yaiba is nothing we haven't seen before either, but it was well directed so even knowing how everything is gonna develop, I still feel invested. Also the animation and ost are pretty good. As for fruits basket... I've never read the manga and I think I've seen like 2 episodes of the old anime, but that was so long ago that by now I only remember that it had something to do with some dudes that transformed into animals from the chinese zodiac. It has a very classic shoujo atmosphere to it (duh, it's an old shoujo), and I can smell some sweet drama in the air that I believe I could enjoy. Also the MC follows the clumsy girl stereotype from classic shoujo but they still managed to make her interesting and likable, so yeah, I'm excited.

You'd be better off looking into Hollywood content, I feel like.

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Very different story wise, but same energy I don't think anyone liked eden for the plot, but for the atmosphere, the music and visuals and the cute slice of life. If that's the case, you'll probably enjoy ef. It's my favorite romance VN still to this day!

Yes, I do, for pretty much every story I come to love. I feel sad when the story ends regardless of the type of ending, since I won't be able to keep experiencing it (that doesn't necessarily mean I'm not satisfied with the ending though!). I'm sad about not being able to keep those characters company probably forever, unless a sequel comes out. And yes of course, if the character in question is a tier A waifu the feelings only intensify Some would call having this sort of investment for fictional characters stupid, but I believe that as long as it's within what's reasonable and healthy, it just means you are enjoying those stories and characters to the fullest. I'm sure the authors would be really pleased

Euphoria's opening never fails to crack me up, what with how dramatic it is But the song is actually good! Have "fun" with Euphoria... once you get past the first part (the part where they are trapped, that is) it actually starts developing some plot. You'll see that it's not just nasty sex scenes.

So I took my time to create a 6.5 heads body template, which seems to be kind of the limit of what you can do based on the sliders' ranges (I don't think you can make a proportionate 7 heads body, that is). Yay, now I can escape lolis and hopefully the FBI knocking on my door With that said, here's my new character, Shimizu Hanako, in the two different body templates for comparison: WARNING: slightly NSFW, just underwear. 6 heads vs 6.5 heads body. They are both the same height, 38 in-game slider and roughly 164 cm. I'll also leave a link here for downloading Hanako's card. Man, this game really makes me wish I could draw...

I see. How do they handle the naked body in the character maker through? It's a really useful feature to have. In any case, I'm a fuwa user, so it goes without saying that I don't mind porn anyway, even if it's not the reason why I play the game

I got together with a friend and we started creating a character. It's still a work in progress, but I believe the face (the only part we've actually finished in 2 hours lol) is super cute: And this is another one I've been doing by myself: Again, work in progress. I'll edit the post when I have them finished with the download links.

And I'm studying human proportion in anime just for the sake of making better waifus, essentially using a porn game to study something I didn't even touch since middle school. Porn is more productive than some people seem to think. EDIT: And after mulling it over and reading a bit on the topic, I finally understand the reason why I couldn't make average-heighted characters that didn't look childish: for medium heights the game will always give you a 6 heads model, so you'll always get a loli or a thicc loli in the best case scenario. The key is to change the whole body sections ratio to fit 7 heads. It's a shame the character maker doesn't provide you with a grid to make things easier. Oh well.