Opinions on Guys in VNs Aimed at Guys

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^Psssst the derail is real. fudge I got shoved to the next page.
 

I'm also extremely fond of "Weak" and "unmanly" protags (when the protag is a male and when it's a Female of course), For me when the protag is weak and/or shows flaws, it means that he's just a human and not just some kind of God, and of course, it make him more human(That doesn't mean i hate intelligent characters Like Lelouch Lamperouge, but you'll see that he has big flaws to counterpart his intelect, or that Holmes is a little Crazy, despite his excellents detective skills) but what i most hate is protags that are just flawless or "Manly" or i dont know what shit about.

 

 

I hated Takumi from Chaos;Head with a passion. I'll agree that having some flaws is nice for the character to be more "human" and whatnot, but just as people hate Grisiaia's Yuuji for having NO flaws, I hate Takumi for having TOO MANY flaws

[Kosakyun]

 

If you diss Hisao, you're dissing me homeboy. He's about as real as protagonists get imo

 

You might wanna spoiler tag that second part I didn't quote. Unfortunately I was spoiled on it before that "fateful chapter", but the coincidences were just too convenient for me to overlook.

 

I'll diss you then. :^)

Hisao's just too inconsiderate at times. Though most MCs are.

[Lambda]

Haha yeah, so what was your opinion of Kyousuke before he let his true nature show?

Pinky promise? ;D

Idk the effeminate, man-child inside me didn't get that part too well. I also think he's great at focusing on the good in every situation though, one of Soushichi's best characteristics.

I wholeheartedly agree with everything about Kyouru (hehe portmanteaus are the best). The combination of the lighthearted, comedic moments and the bone-chilling ones added a lot of depth to the true route. Whoever translated it did an awesome job of capturing the passion they held for one another. Examples: [caution actual spoilers] 

• when Kyousuke kept his brother from strangling Haru, I felt a chill go down straight down my spine. From Haru's perspective he must've looked like a hero as 
• Haru's confession, even if it "was the worst confession ever." Showed how desparately she needed him. And I thought it was nice how she persistently insisted their lineages didn't matter.
• The animals part heh
• And when Kyousuke finally let out all his pent-up emotions in the end. I may or may not have cried a little 

I also gotta say I loved how she grew her hair out for him :3

He's a jerk in a lot of ways. He'd show up more often in a shoujo than an eroge, but the girls would still swoon.... because every once in a while, he does one nice thing. His hobby for classical music was always cute, though.

Maybe I shouldn't make promises I'm not certain I'll keep... hm....

 

Yeah. He makes others want to help him because he's such a positive person, too. As a negative person, it was actually interesting to see how his mind worked... and how it made others work. He's not shounen protagonist because he does, y'know, think and stuff, and he is broken in several ways. But he keeps going, keeps focusing on the bright side....

 

Yes! Such a good ship! Sailing that into the beyond, myself!

That flashback scene on the roof made my life! It was too cute ahhhh Haru with her little penguin watch.. It was a watch right.. Damn. It's surprising I remember anything of this, I read it three-four years ago.

I'm also extremely fond of "Weak" and "unmanly" protags (when the protag is a male and when it's a Female of course), For me when the protag is weak and/or shows flaws, it means that he's just a human and not just some kind of God, and of course, it make him more human(That doesn't mean i hate intelligent characters Like Lelouch Lamperouge, but you'll see that he has big flaws to counterpart his intelect, or that Holmes is a little Crazy, despite his excellents detective skills) but what i most hate is protags that are just flawless or "Manly" or i dont know what shit about.

 

The protagonist is just a human, you have to balance it, if you gives him incredible skills, give him incredible drawbacks.

 

Yes, Rintarou is one of my favourite char, because i love his psychological evolution through the VN.

 

 

He surpassed his Raïto Yagamai in term of playing and everything and, and, and.

 

 

It's not like i love okabe or anything! b-b-aka.

Lelouch had extra heaps of camp, too, which made him fun to watch. Super over-dramatic. There's something really different between Lelouch and, like, Tatsuya from Mahouka. Characters that can screw up create an infinitely greater amount of drama and conflict and chances to grow than those that can't.

 

Yeah! Okabe also falls under "he's fun to watch even when he's acting", too. I am mad scientist! But yes, his growth is really impressive! He goes from rather aimless, living in delusions, to someone with a single goal and working towards it.

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^Psssst the derail is real. fudge I got shoved to the next page.

Don't worry, I found Kuu-chan and talked to her in private about the matter. It won't happen again ma'am ;D

 

I'll diss you then. :^)

Hisao's just too inconsiderate at times. Though most MCs are.

I'll have to play it again before I make too many comments on his nature as it was the first visual novel I played like 6-7 months ago, but I agree he is (at times) inconsiderate. Let's face it--by himself, Hisao is pretty weak. He was prone to depressive moments and had trouble understanding just about all the heroines initially. In fact, learning to understand one another as well as yourself was a large theme for the visual novel as a whole for me. I like Hisao not as a protagonist, but as a person. He isn't a hero, just like none of us are. There're good and bad sides to every coin, and his love for the heroines spurs him to make improvements in his own life. The lack of voice acting for Katawa Shoujo is very sad to me, but everything else touched base with me perfectly. It has seriously fucked with my head in a positive way.

Apart from the quote on my profile, I especially love the quote in the second one here :3

 

He's a jerk in a lot of ways. He'd show up more often in a shoujo than an eroge, but the girls would still swoon.... because every once in a while, he does one nice thing. His hobby for classical music was always cute, though.

Maybe I shouldn't make promises I'm not certain I'll keep... hm....

 

Yeah. He makes others want to help him because he's such a positive person, too. As a negative person, it was actually interesting to see how his mind worked... and how it made others work. He's not shounen protagonist because he does, y'know, think and stuff, and he is broken in several ways. But he keeps going, keeps focusing on the bright side....

 

Yes! Such a good ship! Sailing that into the beyond, myself!

That flashback scene on the roof made my life! It was too cute ahhhh Haru with her little penguin watch.. It was a watch right.. Damn. It's surprising I remember anything of this, I read it three-four years ago.

I liked his hobby for classical music as well, but wouldn't necessarily call it cute. Now his means of enjoying it, particularly his tendency towards masochism, was cute in my eyes... hahaha. At the same time he was able to put on that grand show of being the world's biggest sadist, fucking over & hurting everyone in his pursuit of money. Also I'm glad Kyouru had such depth to it as I had a lot of issues with things the other heroines did. Tsubaki's character as a whole irritated me to no end and Mizuha's willingness initially to be corrupted by Sadistic Kyousuke was rather pathetic. Like you said, it was reminiscent of a bad shoujo/moege character .-.

Yeah, smart idea. Now I just gotta find another use for this contract of blood >.>

 

Yeah initially I drew comparisons (both and bad) between Shoushichi and Naruto. That lovable brat is too good-natured at times  so I'm glad Soushichi turned out to be different than the OP shounen protagonists

 

Sounds about right, but I can't be certain either. I've only been reading visual novels the past 6-7 months, I'm infinitely jealous of you :\

[Roach]

Apart from the quote on my profile, I especially love the quote in the 

second one here :3

Hmm, that's odd. I have the exact same screenshot in my KS folder.

Oh and don't worry, it's not like I like Lilly or anything. I just accidentally clicked the screenshot button a lot of times when she was just so happen on the screen. Yep, not at all.

 

/end of derailment

[Lambda]

I liked his hobby for classical music as well, but wouldn't necessarily call it cute. Now his means of enjoying it, particularly his tendency towards masochism, was cute in my eyes... hahaha. At the same time he was able to put on that grand show of being the world's biggest sadist, fucking over & hurting everyone in his pursuit of money. Also I'm glad Kyouru had such depth to it as I had a lot of issues with things the other heroines did. Tsubaki's character as a whole irritated me to no end and Mizuha's willingness initially to be corrupted by Sadistic Kyousuke was rather pathetic. Like you said, it was reminiscent of a bad shoujo/moege character .-.

Yeah, smart idea. Now I just gotta find another use for this contract of blood >.>

 

Yeah initially I drew comparisons (both and bad) between Shoushichi and Naruto. That lovable brat is too good-natured at times  so I'm glad Soushichi turned out to be different than the OP shounen protagonists

 

Sounds about right, but I can't be certain either. I've only been reading visual novels the past 6-7 months, I'm infinitely jealous of you :\

True. That was the idea. He's so passionate about music, it's great. He'd been waiting for that CD for a long time! How dare she break it! 

 

Yeah! I love shounen as a genre, but I don't want to see the same protagonist time and again, so this was a treat. To be fair, I haven't encountered a lot of those in eroge... Wouldn't even really consider Shirou one.... The other guys are hot-blooded enough for Shoushichi! ...And he can move when it counts. He knows when he's no match, though, and actually runs away from it to think instead of running towards it... 

 

You shouldn't be. It just means FSN has corrupted me longer than your first VN has corrupted you. Besides, it's spaced out for most of those years...I've only read a few in those years....

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True. That was the idea. He's so passionate about music, it's great. He'd been waiting for that CD for a long time! How dare she break it! 

 

Yeah! I love shounen as a genre, but I don't want to see the same protagonist time and again, so this was a treat. To be fair, I haven't encountered a lot of those in eroge... Wouldn't even really consider Shirou one.... The other guys are hot-blooded enough for him! ...And he can move when it counts. He knows when he's no match, though, and actually runs away from it to think instead of running towards it... 

 

You shouldn't be. It just means FSN has corrupted me longer than your first VN has corrupted you. Besides, it's spaced out for most of those years...I've only read a few in those years....

One day very soon F/SN will have corrupted me as well. I have a feeling I will enjoy Shirou as a protagonist for likely all the same reasons everyone likes to harp on him... Guess I tend to go against the grain even within the community bahaha. And if it weren't for college/university I'd still be binging on Visual Novels, so I guess you at least kinda have a point

[Lambda]

One day very soon F/SN will have corrupted me as well. I have a feeling I will enjoy Shirou as a protagonist for likely all the same reasons everyone likes to harp on him... Guess I tend to go against the grain even within the community bahaha. And if it weren't for college/university I'd still be binging on Visual Novels, so I guess you at least kinda have a point

Oops. Was talking about Shoushichi after I mentioned Shirou. Will edit... Shirou is a lot more shounen manga protagonist, but he has some aspects that are really interesting, too. If you can get past the "girls can't fight!" Fate route. The ultimate house waifu. He can cook, he can clean... his wife can bring home the bacon, that's okay. Probably actually how his couple with Rin goes.

 

Yeah... I'm a slow reader in general, so... then I only started downloading/buying a year ago. That made less options.

[Kosakyun]

Oops. Was talking about Shoushichi after I mentioned Shirou. Will edit... Shirou is a lot more shounen manga protagonist, but he has some aspects that are really interesting, too. If you can get past the "girls can't fight!" Fate route. The ultimate house waifu. He can cook, he can clean... his wife can bring home the bacon, that's okay. Probably actually how his couple with Rin goes.

 

Yeah... I'm a slow reader in general, so... then I only started downloading/buying a year ago. That made less options.

 

You lost me at the girls can't fight.

 

That's a very accurate description of Shirou's personality. I like his Heaven's Feel counterpart best though. That's where he finally accepts reality. Finally. FINALLY.

[hydro]

I'm also extremely fond of "Weak" and "unmanly" protags (when the protag is a male and when it's a Female of course), For me when the protag is weak and/or shows flaws, it means that he's just a human and not just some kind of God, and of course, it make him more human(That doesn't mean i hate intelligent characters Like Lelouch Lamperouge, but you'll see that he has big flaws to counterpart his intelect, or that Holmes is a little Crazy, despite his excellents detective skills) but what i most hate is protags that are just flawless or "Manly" or i dont know what shit about.

 

The protagonist is just a human, you have to balance it, if you gives him incredible skills, give him incredible drawbacks.

 

Yes, Rintarou is one of my favourite char, because i love his psychological evolution through the VN.

 

I agree with this for the most part. I do cringe a little when the protag or someone else says "I've gotta do this because I'm a MAN", "what it takes to be a REAL MAN™" and stuff like that. It's ok in something like Fairy Tail with Elfman where it's taking the piss most of the time, but if this kind of thing is used completely seriously it's a little dodgy. I don't like when the lead is a complete doormat; but I'll take a weak, sneaky and intelligent bishonen over a buff, brave, and strong manly man every single time.

 

In fact if the lead is intelligent it's probably for the best they're not also strong, for the sake of balance. They did this pretty well with Lelouch being not only weak, but below average fitness. Craziness is also another good one. I was a little disappointed in Sharin where it turned out

Kenichi's drug addiction was faked. I enjoyed the little bit of insanity it added to his character. I don't think the reveal was worth taking that away from him.

Whatever his flaws, I'll usually like a lead if he's non-perverted and has interesting/entertaining conversations with the other cast members. Yuuji is the best at this from what I've read, though they Key protags are also very good at this too.

[Ariurotl]

just as people hate Grisiaia's Yuuji for having NO flaws

This bit made me chuckle. Personally, I consider being condescending, arrogant, both self-deprecating AND self-righteous (how does that even work?), casually misogynist and generally douchebag-gy to be a pretty serious flaw. But maybe that's just me.

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This bit made me chuckle. Personally, I consider being condescending, arrogant, both self-deprecating AND self-righteous (how does that even work?), casually misogynist and generally douchebag-gy to be a pretty serious flaw. But maybe that's just me.

Hehe, yeah, Yuuji's personality is definitely flawed . I guess when people say he has 'no flaws' they mean more like how he's too capable/reliable/bad-ass when it comes to solving the heroines' problems.

[Kosakyun]

Hehe, yeah, Yuuji's personality is definitely flawed . I guess when people say he has 'no flaws' they mean more like how he's too capable/reliable/bad-ass when it comes to solving the heroines' problems.

 

I think 'no flaws' mostly refers to his beautiful ass.

[Lambda]

I think 'no flaws' mostly refers to his beautiful ass.

Part of the reason the 1st episode of Grisaia anime was 10/10 - beautiful manservice.

 

This bit made me chuckle. Personally, I consider being condescending, arrogant, both self-deprecating AND self-righteous (how does that even work?), casually misogynist and generally douchebag-gy to be a pretty serious flaw. But maybe that's just me.

I'd guess the complaint is that he's not punished all too much for those flaws? Probably.

[Kurisu-Chan]

I said a lot of times here how i like Okabe Rintarou, but he's not the only VN protag or guy on a VN i like.

 

Naoe Riki in Little Busters for example, he has narcolepsy, he's probably the weakest in the band and he's not a womanizer, he also have a childish voice, but everything make him sound so cute and SO interesting, i definitely liked Riki's character and persona.

 

 

There's also M, the shady character(not protagonist) of Shikkoku no sharnoth that from the start is extremely cold and mean to Mary Clarissa Christie(Agatha Christie), who never hesitates to use his right hand Moran, and manipulates pretty much everyone from the start, even if he has charisma, power and money, he's treated as a cold strategist, but he's also weak, weak in his heart, and that's what made me like this character.

[Lambda]

I said a lot of times here how i like Okabe Rintarou, but he's not the only VN protag or guy on a VN i like.

 

Naoe Riki in Little Busters for example, he has narcolepsy, he's probably the weakest in the band and he's not a womanizer, he also have a childish voice, but everything make him sound so cute and SO interesting, i definitely liked Riki's character and persona.

 

 

There's also M, the shady character(not protagonist) of Shikkoku no sharnoth that from the start is extremely cold and mean to Mary Clarissa Christie(Agatha Christie), who never hesitates to use his right hand Moran, and manipulates pretty much everyone from the start, even if he has charisma, power and money, he's treated as a cold strategist, but he's also weak, weak in his heart, and that's what made me like this character.

Yeah! I like Riki's character development, too, when he stops simply leaning on his friends and makes equal effort for them, gaining courage to lead people towards their shared goals...

 

M is really cool, although because of his character I was only convinced he had a one-sided affection for Mary in the last chapter which really highlighted his weak points.

The lonely king on his throne....

Aaah and his interaction with the children was adorable!  Really, every time I hear "comical" in Japanese I hear M's voice. True story. It happened in Comyu a few times. Couldn't stop hearing M. 

 

Mary = Mary Shelly. It's a mix of Mary Shelly, Agatha Christie, and a middle name I can't place. Which makes that name Sharnoth in a nutshell, really (it just needed a Holmes reference and it'd be there!).

[Kurisu-Chan]

 

Mary = Mary Shelly. It's a mix of Mary Shelly, Agatha Christie, and a middle name I can't place. Which makes that name Sharnoth in a nutshell, really (it just needed a Holmes reference and it'd be there!).

Full name of Agatha Christie : Dame Agatha Mary Clarissa Christie

Mary Clarissa Christie is her most correct name, when Agatha Christie is more of a "book name"

[Kurisu-Chan]

Yeah! I like Riki's character development, too, when he stops simply leaning on his friends and makes equal effort for them, gaining courage to lead people towards their shared goals...

 

M is really cool, although because of his character I was only convinced he had a one-sided affection for Mary in the last chapter which really highlighted his weak points.

The lonely king on his throne....

Aaah and his interaction with the children was adorable!  Really, every time I hear "comical" in Japanese I hear M's voice. True story. It happened in Comyu a few times. Couldn't stop hearing M. 

 

Mary = Mary Shelly. It's a mix of Mary Shelly, Agatha Christie, and a middle name I can't place. Which makes that name Sharnoth in a nutshell, really (it just needed a Holmes reference and it'd be there!).

 

 

Interesting, it seems like we have approx the same taste in protagonists and male characters, as well as a same opinion, interesting.

[Decay]

I'd guess the complaint is that he's not punished all too much for those flaws? Probably.

That's definitely a part of it. He's pretty much capable of doing everything, and every female in the game falls for him despite his twisted personality, even non-heroines like the principle and JB. His personality flaws are never punished and sometimes are even rewarded. He never has to grow as a person in order to overcome any challenges. His perfection can be pretty boring.

[Lambda]

Full name of Agatha Christie : Dame Agatha Mary Clarissa Christie

Mary Clarissa Christie is her most correct name, when Agatha Christie is more of a "book name"

That's interesting! I need to get educated on these things, wow.

 

Interesting, it seems like we have approx the same taste in protagonists and male characters, as well as a same opinion, interesting.

Great minds think alike~~~~

 

 

That's definitely a part of it. He's pretty much capable of doing everything, and every female in the game falls for him despite his twisted personality, even non-heroines like the principle and JB. His personality flaws are never punished and sometimes are even rewarded. He never has to grow as a person in order to overcome any challenges. His perfection can be pretty boring.

That's true. The worst thing to come out of his sexism that I can remember was a scene used entirely for comedy (the pink shark pack scene). I can't say I'm fond of when every female character in the entire novel falls for the MC, too... Some of them must have different tastes. 

[FamishedPants]

Hm for protag i think i`ll pick Kurou from Demonbane...he is just epic yet funny at the same time.and whats plues he is an Asian in the Western setting vns..i`m serious btw.

I really want protag like him in other vns, since i wont get bored.

 

and for Side char i`ll pick Master Therion from Demonbane again....he is my fav villain all the time.

and another https://vndb.org/c8425 why? just because...

Demonbane had really cool characters. The best male character in visual novels, in my opinion

IE just the best ever

is Dr. West. God I want him to be my father-in-law. Elsa needed a route in that (simply saying this because too lazy to post in the other topic about people who needed routes). 

 

Uh, Raguna I believe, is a really good character too. Pretty bro character in Kamidori.