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    Fall 2016 Anime Discussion

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    8 hours ago, Jun Inoue said:

    Well, you said it yourself. 2-3 years. Now think about people who started 20 years ago. People who remember more how they felt watching those shows, than the shows themselves. It's the classic effect of "everything was better before."

    Well, i would not say everything was better before because that is simply not true.
    But where 6-7 years ago I would enjoy about 15 of the shows each season that is now down to 6-7 each season.
    meanwhile the amount of shows each season has gone up drastically, and i swear the more shows we get each season the lower the overall quality seems so get. We have also had a drastic increase of  otaku pandering shows the last 2-3 years.
    At least that is how it seems to me.

    Re:zero discussion (and some other non important Summer 2016 anime)

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    41 minutes ago, Kurisu-Chan said:

    I can say it now, shuumatsu no Isella blew my mind, it's really cool.

     

    Oh, and one of the producers is a guy from Wargaming.net

    Yep, about the only one i was really looking forward to and it was a strait A all the way through.
    Although i must say i got some nostalgia vibes from the first episode, cant quite put my finger on what the exact cause is tough or to which series the feeling is referring.

    Think we can rename the fall topic to Shuumatsu no Isella and some other non important fall anime?

    But I am kind of concerned, the director is not exactly known for his stellar series.

    Re:zero discussion (and some other non important Summer 2016 anime)

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    4 minutes ago, Kurisu-Chan said:

    Personally i'm waiting for Ajin 2 and Occultic;Nine, other than that...i get what you mean. 

    its not like there are no series that i'm looking foward to, but there are only 9 series i even consider checking out.
    And generally about half of them fail so its gonna be a calm season for me.

    The series im looking forward to is the second season of gundam iron blooded orphans, vivid strike, and izetta: the last witch. But two of those are second seasons and not really new so to speak.

    Fuwanovel Confessions

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    8 minutes ago, Mr Poltroon said:

    Confession:

    I have no where else to elicit replies from the following post, leading me to repost it here.

     

     

    8 minutes ago, Mr Poltroon said:

    Two interesting events have happened in my life, lately.

    Firstly, my younger sister has officially started watching anime. I suppose I eventually got to her (that, or it was the fact that all her friends started watching, too -- Well... quite. I know which it was). She's watching things like Death Note, Free! (which is, reportedly, a drama fest. Interesting, considering it is not tagged as such), Kotoura-san (which she's watching with me. Full disclosure: this show is the best thing since shoehorns), and Sword Art Online (which she regards as epic. I don't doubt her -- I probably would too if I ever watched it, which I likely won't, and I'm not even sure why).

    Over the course of her admittedly short experience in anime, she's complained to me about two things, regarding them as disgusting:

    • An old man who was a pervert and liked his granddaughter's legs.
    • Two cousins who lived together as brothers falling in love with each other.

    This goes to show how slowly but surely my common sense (or resistance?) has grown to accept these things as norm in anime, as events like the ones described above are relatively normal in anime, and, really, I can't help her in any way except by telling her to get used to it.

     

    Secondly, my mother started taking Reiki lessons, and my father couldn't stop making fun of her, calling her gullible (it cannot be denied that I felt the same, too, but I wasn't as upfront as all that). She told us her 'teacher' had said that he had a vision or some such with her, seeing her image like the negative of a photo with a golden glow in the background, not once, but twice (when she first took the course 10 years ago, and now), which had allegedly never happened to him before.. At this both I and my father looked at each others' eyes -- and burst out laughing simultaneously. Even I couldn't stay stoic given the empathy between me and my father.

    She called us stupid a few times and then continued on. Apparently, as she was leaving the parking lot, and pigeon fell on top of the car and into the ground, and slowly died there. My mother loves animals, so she was pretty rattled. She even held onto him as he died. Of course, I concluded that her inner energy must have interfered with the flying pigeon and sent him tumbling down.

    Apparently I'm "insensitive".

     

     

    My answer to the first interesting event:
    I don't think your common sense is wrong, i also consider those kind of things kind of the norm in anime. But that does not mean i find them any less disturbing in real life, the first example anyway.
    The second one, well its not my problem but theirs if two cousins want to fall in love and F*ck each other i don't see much of a problem. I mean i aint religious and don't consider myself a good enough (read arrogant) person to determine that it is wrong to do so and besides its not my fucking problem and they aint harming anybody with it unlike the first example. (would probably still consider it mildly disturbing, but again nobody gets harmed or hurt in any way shape or form)

     

    As to the second event,
    I don't think you are insensitive, i just think your mother is having a bit of a midlife crisis and has some troubles with her hormones. (which in turn is making her gullible)
    My mother also had troubles with her hormones, at least that is what she says. I just think she is a bit of a idiot and lacking in common sense, but that is a entirely different story.
    She tended to get irrationaly angry at the smallest things ans somehow came to expect that we were able to somehow magically determine when she needed help.
    And when we could not magically determine she needed help she would explode, mostly against my dad and me. For some reason never against my little brother, which kind of makes sense as has never in his life done anything in the household.
    And the big stinker was if you asked if she needed help she would also get mad, because she thought you thought she could not do something or was dumb or something along those lines anyway.

    Naturally i dont take kindly to being verbally abused without reason and would get mad myself, at which point she would usually burst into tears....... Great so now its my fault.....

    Anyhow, i think it is better to remain ''insensitive'' because you might just save your mom from getting scammed, or you know using common sense and realizing that reiki is mostly bullshit.

    PSA: My Name Change

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    Who are you and what have you done to the real tiagofvarela?
     

    Anyhow, thanks for the heads up of the name change. Not that i would confuse you with anybody else so long as you use miles edgeworth as your avatar.

    And i'm sorry i must mention this as it is now stuck in my head, I first read Mr Poltroon as Mr Trolltroon.

    Re:zero discussion (and some other non important Summer 2016 anime)

    in Anime/Manga Talk

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    2 minutes ago, Suzu Fanatic said:

    I hadn't heard of Desert Punk until now, I'll have to look it up. Though I did have a brief "love to hate" moment with Subaru - I took a guilty pleasure in his suffering in one of the lives (I'm not normally a vindictive person, but it was a "you reap what you sow" type feeling).

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    Edited in a review of the series. Be sure to watch the dub, as it is actually better than the sub.

    Spoiler

     

     

    Re:zero discussion (and some other non important Summer 2016 anime)

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    1 hour ago, Suzu Fanatic said:
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    It ended up going where I thought it would, metaphorical events symbolizing his own youthful and wanting heart - and eventually overcoming his own inner darkness. Love can be beautiful and freeing, but it can also by ugly, and overbearing. His final fight against sloth was basically him coming to terms with his own feelings about Emillia (or at least, that's what I took away from it).

    I made one HUUUUUGE mistake though - I looked up what he was sopposed to say at the end of episode 25 though ...gods I wish I hadn't. Time will tell what the studio decides to do.

    Rem best girl - the rest are at a even tie for 2nd place. (though Beako might have a slight lead >_>)

    true that, altough my personal opinion is that subara would have been better off if he was a little more like kanta from desert punk.
    And by that i mean, I disliked subaru as a character and i truly wish he was not so dislikeable.
    He was in more than one way the worst thing about the show, and in some ways also the best i just don't think the good about subaru made up for the bad. (not as a person but as a character)
    Meanwhile kanta, well he is just as much of a dick, but in his case you just love to hate him. And that means there is no bad thing about his character despite well and truly hating him. 

    Re:zero discussion (and some other non important Summer 2016 anime)

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    2 hours ago, Suzu Fanatic said:

    Just started Re:zero - I suspect I'm in for a long, painful experience - based on what little I've seen of Subaru's personality. I really just don't find him funny - i find him stupid. :amane:

     

    Gonna stick with it tho - a buddy of mine says it gets really good, so I'll hang on. But man, what I'd give for a likable protag - not the typical spaz's we get stuck with.

     

    EDIT: Ok, finished episode 3 - He's not that bad - at least not as much as I feared he would be. Still a bit too goofy with the 4-wall jokes though, those turn me off bigtime. Still, show seems interesting enough :sachi:

    Spoiler

    He gets worse later on, so much worse.

     

    Re:zero discussion (and some other non important Summer 2016 anime)

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    9 hours ago, Jibril said:

    @Jun Inoue Wait wait wait wait.... you're confusing me here. So Re:Zero IS NOT a deconstruction anime to other Isekai anime but Subaru is a deconstruction to other Isekai MCs...? Uh.... Wat :sachi:

    Okay, I think I understand your point more or less. You're saying that Re:Zero is a deconstruction anime to other anime that has their MCs NEET behavior easily accepted? ....Then in that case I can somewhat see that, though I don't think I'll fully agree on it. But it's arguable. Though I don't really want to argue on that because we're talking about thousands of anime with NEET MCs here....

    @havoc ZnT may be popular, but it doesn't kickstart the Isekai wave nor it's the first iteration of Isekai anime. The very first one would be .hack//Sign

    @Riku Everyday is filled with 5 minutes of retardedness that eclipsed every anime of all time. 10/10 AOTY better than Shit:Zero :makina:

    My point was people were not going back far enough, and i never watched .Hack//sign.
    Did attempt it but i did not like it, i did watch the vision of escaflone.

    Anyhow, if i remember both of these have a very different story compared to the current overused trope, which as far as i can see is based of ZnT.


    And yeah Jun is a massive fanboy of the series.
    Much like i would not be able to give a unbiased opinion of Crest/Banner of the stars or Desert Punk.
     

    Re:zero discussion (and some other non important Summer 2016 anime)

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    10 minutes ago, Jun Inoue said:

    It being isekai novels or anime is picking on details. The theme we are talking about is isekai, not in which media it expresses itself...

    And, again, you are kind of missing the whole point. Re:Zero is not a deconstruction anime because it does not follow its guideline, as you seem to assume in your first lines. It's a deconstruction anime because its main theme is Subaru, and Subaru is literally a deconstruction of the isekai MC, and why the standard approach of the genre to its main characters would be bound to extreme and painful failure if they were so much as somewhat coherent when it comes to characters and their progression.

    So, yet again x2, I've never said an anime is a deconstruction of smth just for not following its guidelines. That would be a super weird and, above all, simply wrong definition of what a deconstruction is.

    Re:Zero not only doesn't follow its guidelines, but makes its main focus when it comes to character development to give its everything to pulling apart the classic isekai MC, punish the attitude that characterizes isekai MCs (imagine GATE with some of the heroines dying or tons of innocent people -apart from the ones who already do, but even more- dying because the MC acted all lazy yet again, but this time there was no plot armor to make things always go his way in the end, or NGNL where Sora's laziness meant they were too late for something or failed to do something in time, and hence problems start). Isekai MCs are usually not punished by their otherwise deeply flawed personalities because that's one of its most classic standards, and the one Re:Zero punishes thoroughly. How the MCs attitudes, reactions and acceptance by other characters and the world are bollocks and incoherent through and through. Re:Zero is also not cruel or evil, but only harsh. As I've mentioned plenty of times, Subaru gets punished by his own mistakes and failures. Sure, there's a degree of sadism by part of the author, but the vast majority of lows and depression or disgrace that befalls Subaru is the one brought onto himself by his spoiled attitude and rotten personality deep inside himself, seen both in the key scenes when he fights with Emilia after getting beaten up by Julius, and when Rem forces him to confront his reality in episode 18.

    Re:Zero is a deconstruction because you can watch the show and see it dissect the isekai MC and show why and how that kind of character is simply bound for failure unless they change their way of thinking and doing things (hence the whole progress of Subaru, his failings, his mental breakdown in the beginning of the 3rd arc and why things only start going his way when he finally starts to change as a person for the better). It's not that Re:Zero makes its MC go through a living hell. It's WHY and HOW. It's that Subaru's whole journey is one that shows how intrinsically flawed the standard isekai MC is, and how unforgiving reality is to such a person. Subaru isn't punished by monsters, evil cults or bad luck. His lowest points are when he cannot take anymore because he's fucked up things himself so hard, he doesn't even know what to do. And that's the key, Re:Zero's antagonist when it comes to its development, is Subaru himself. The old Subaru. The isekai MC Subaru.

    And this is not even so surprising. There's plenty of anime that take a stab at criticising smth or at least putting some attention to it. Hell, I've seen so many people mistake Kill la Kill for "just another ecchi shounen" and completely miss the themes of coming of age and puberty, to put an example.

    So, yes, Re:Zero is a deconstruction anime, and one that deconstructs cheap MCs usually found in the isekai genre (key words being "usually" and "isekai").

     

    As a small note: I don't think I've criticised Log Horizon in any of my posts, so not sure why it keeps showing up as a counter-example. Log Horizon doesn't fall to the isekai standards of MCs, since Shiro is quite strong but it's very much explained and contextualized, apart of his character receiving a lot of character development.

    I dont see how people forget zero no louise as one of the first iterations of the genre that became popular and instead go to ngnl and stuff.

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