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    Otakon2015 Announcements & Discussion

    in Visual Novel Talk

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    Sounds pretty chuuni to me, which is a largely unexplored genre for MangaGamer. There are rumors of a possible Propeller announcement, do they have any games that fit that quote? I can't think of any suitable games from them. I still wouldn't put much stock in that rumor at all, seems like a pretty unlikely one to me. I just want to say it at loud which is something I didn't do a few weeks ago with Haruka, even though that did leak out ahead of time, I dismissed it as unlikely and never brought it up. So, never say never...

     

    In other news, the primary translator/TLCer who worked on Steins;Gate for JAST teased something to do with Chaos;Head, so that may be a thing. 

    Ayakashibito would be one for sure. Though it already has a fan translation

    Sekai Project depends on crowdfunding entirely too much

    in Visual Novel Talk

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    Would you have no problem with this system if Sekai Project were to put other, bigger, quality products instead of going for the small groups and providing PR and support?

    No, I would have problem with this system regardless, it doesn't matter how often or what kind of projects they put out, they shouldn't need to have a crowdfunding/fundraising campaign before they do something, and yes I know they are just a publisher and not a developer.

    There really is no point in trying to discuss it with you any further because now you're definitely arguing over subjective things like quality and talking in circles along with assuming Sekai has the cash reserves to put stuff out without crowd sourcing.

    Though I would be curious to see how much MG put out in its first years. I do recall back in 2011 when I first came across them, they had next to nothing to offer.

    Well then feel free to not respond anymore we obviously aren't going to see eye to eye.

    Sekai Project depends on crowdfunding entirely too much

    in Visual Novel Talk

    Posted

    So all the nukige that MG pumps out is quality then? On another note, I fail to see how I put words in your mouth. 

    I never said that the Nukige they pumped out were quality, though some of them are not bad (if you are into Nukige) However they put out quite a bit of content, much more than the 1-2 a year like you are referring to and all.... without having to rely on crowdfunding! 

    Sekai Project depends on crowdfunding entirely too much

    in Visual Novel Talk

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    So its a fact now and you're just the brainiac here.

     

     

    Obviously, this issue is subjective. Sekai Project is not breaking any KS rules, and their projects continue to get funded and released. If you don't like the way they do things, whatever. Thats on you. I've yet to see you or anyone else put forward an actual decent argument as to why they shouldn't. Sanah keeps repeating that its blackmail and dishonest (an ignorant statement at best and an idiotic one at worst) and you keep saying its unethical (also pretty ignorant as I see no way in hell to it being unethical. Annoying, maybe.)

     

    It continually baffles me as to why people complain that its so hard to buy VNs, and then a company comes along bringing multiple VNs over in a way that has, so far, worked perfectly, and those same people then complain that they are bringing over VNs.

     

    Want to just go back to pirating them and getting almost no releases and having to rely on fan translations? 

    Now you are just putting words in my mouth and I would greatly appreciate if you would stop that, As you have mentioned before yes they are bring VN, however most of those have been OELVN's they have released exactly 2 Japanese Localized VN, Grisaia no Kajitsu (On steam) and NekoPara, yes I know there are more to come, however as also has been said companies have been able to create an industry without having to rely on that method, personally I would rather take quality over quantity. 

    Sekai Project depends on crowdfunding entirely too much

    in Visual Novel Talk

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    And what makes you to judge that and on what basis?

     

    I've never seen so many smart-asses. First you complain there are no TL's at all and no there's no games and everything is unobtainable. Then you complain, when a trusted publisher is doing too well and publishes way too many visual novels, because KS/business ethics? Logic.

     

    In case of SP, KickStarter involves little to no risk, it's only reasonable they took it as an advantage; other publishers like JAST or MG are way too mainstream and rely on different types of funding, if anything it's only their own fault for not using KS as a potential monetary source. KS is preety much an awesome way to fund projects nowadays and help small developers to appear on the market, as long as the company behind it can be trusted and knows how to handle the campaign. SP isn't and never was a big company to start with, nor does it manage huge funds.

     

    KS isn't only a crowdfunding platform anymore, it's a very optimal system that allows developers and publishers to deliver certain products in a pre-sale way, they wouldn't be able to deliver in any other case because the potential risks involved are often way too big to justify potential profits. It allows them to bypass a lot of nasty shit often that often accompanies the publishing process, or self-publish stuff. SP is a company that offers help in publishing with funding and PR, while devs can focus solely on actual game development. In case of SP, they can basically probe the market for interests, put up a potential product and it's up to people whether they want to support it, or not. In the end, everything that lands on KS was long before welcome by the consumers who want those things published/finished in the first place.

     

    As long as they keep delivering quality content, working along with devs and building a network of trust and possibilities, the fact they use KS in way that allows them to expand rapidly makes any ethics involved completely irrelevant, as it doesn't impact anyone else. After all, they've been doing good job, they made a lot of people happy and don't plan to stop. It might be their strategy to build up their title base with small indie releases, while they're preparing for bigger business deals. After all, they managed to do something both Jast and MG haven't been able to do for years. Don't expect them to sleep on money, though; they're simply smart and know how to use everything internet has to offer in order to fulfill their plans. As long as everyone's content, I couldn't care less if a bunch of people thinks what they do is unethical, simply because they learned to use KS to the fullest potential.

    I never once complained about the lack of translated games. But as such it shouldnt be used as a primary means of funding projects over and over again like SP does

    Sekai Project depends on crowdfunding entirely too much

    in Visual Novel Talk

    Posted

    So your problem then is the quality of their titles, not that they're using Kickstarter. What if all of these titles were super appealing to you? Would you still be singing the same tune about overusing Kickstarter? 

     

    Sekai Project is new to this industry, and they are attempting a rapid expansion strategy. Part of this rapid expansion strategy is trying to use Kickstarter as much as possible. They aren't just sitting on the money or pocketing it all. They are using their cash reserves to get a lot of the doujin stuff you're seeing, like both of those yuri titles they've announced recently, while using Kickstarter to additionally fund the more expensive or potentially riskier stuff since they don't actually have  a lot of money setting around. And also, again, some of these projects aren't even for SP. 

     

    It is entirely possible that they are expanding too quickly. Just because all of their projects have met their goals and been profitable doesn't mean that this is a good strategy. I can foresee a future where they start to buckle under their own weight as they grow too big too fast. I'm not sure that's actually going to happen, but it's a possibility. But right now that's the strategy SP is going for and Kickstarter continues to be vital for propelling them so rapidly. I won't begrudge them for using it in that way. I don't buy into the whole philosophy of Kickstarter being a tool that must be used in very specific ways. It's a very versatile tool and companies should be encouraged to use it in any way that can assist them, as long as they aren't running scams.

    No my problem is the over reliance of crowdfunding, though their titles do leave something to be desired, and theres also the fact that 2 of the major campaigns were for titles that have a localization in the case of Kajitsu and Clannad.

    Sekai Project depends on crowdfunding entirely too much

    in Visual Novel Talk

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    Who the fuck cares!? Like, Sekai is managing to release a metric fuck ton more than JAST, and is keeping up with an established VN publisher in MangaGamer. They don't have a storefront up yet and their site isn't all that much to look at. 

     

    If Sekai had the money to shoulder the costs on their own, then you might have a point I could understand. But they don't. So they basically say, "If you want this localized, then show us."

    Sekai Project depends on crowdfunding entirely too much

    in Visual Novel Talk

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    It's going to come back to bite them eventually if that's all they do. You can't run a business venture based entirely on donations unless you're a nonprofit that operates entirely on cultivating donations through goodwill. Sekai Project is a for-profit company, obviously.

    I don't like how Kickstarter is being used recently, either. I have nothing against Shenmue or the people making it, but they essentially turned the site into a pre-order retailer without admitting that's what they were doing. We all know that Sekai can most likely afford to fund things themselves now, considering how popular the Sakura series is, for some reason. I was hesitant to use Kickstarter in the first place, but if things continue like this, no Kickstarter project will see any money from me unless they can prove that they aren't just gauging interest, and the project won't be funded no matter what. It goes against the very purpose of the site. AAA publishers and developers using the site is moronic.

    Sekai Project depends on crowdfunding entirely too much

    in Visual Novel Talk

    Posted

    Some of these kickstarters are like the Human Reignition Project where Sekai Project doesn't actually get the money, the devs do. They're just pitching in their name to help raise awareness. I dunno, Kickstarter is a pre-order platform where they can also back out if not enough people show support. I don't have any problems with their continued use of it, their customers obviously like it and will give them plenty of money. Yes, MangaGamer and JAST don't use it, but why should that mean SP shouldn't? That's MG and JAST's own foolishness for not taking advantage of that platform. Also...

     

    Are you taking this tweet seriously? That's clearly a Simpsons reference/joke. They are probably going to do another kickstarter eventually but that wasn't an announcement of one. 

    Sekai Project depends on crowdfunding entirely too much

    in Visual Novel Talk

    Posted

    As the title suggests,  I seem to notice that Sekai Project is relying on kickstarter for what it seems just about every VN project they have, I dunno about you guys but I really have a problem with this, there is nothing wrong with using kickstarter for the independent VN or the one off project like Mighty Number 09 or Little Witch Academia, but I think that its getting a bit ridiculous, they have like 3 campaigns going and just announced another.... on top of the Clannad and Grisaia ones... according to kickstarter they have  8 created · 18 backed thats ridiculous.

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