Tyr

Very good decision.
Mugen Kairou is one of the few video games I would honestly call a masterpiece of "art", on the same level as games like ICO, Shadow of the Colossus, Silent Hill 2 or Sayonara wo Oshiete. Everyone should read it although most will probably never understand it as they can't see behind the metaphors and images this magnificent gem provides for the open-minded reader.
 What a coincidence, me too!

Why is it that every third thread here on fuwa turns into a NTR debate? Teh cuck is strong with you guys. o.o
 
You have a completely wrong impression about Kawarazakike no Ichizoku 2. It's actually the only elf game with NTR which I would honestly recommend to people who hate NTR, because it does not cater to the usual NTR audience at all. The game tries to trigger completely different emotions than for example Gatenkei.
 
Somehow I don't believe this. Have yet to encounter a good NTR game with a good ending. It's either a bad NTR game with good endings like the Blue series where you only get the NTR scenes when you give retarded answers (which renders the NTR pointless in my opinion) or it's a good NTR game but with your hopes crushed at the end because no good ending at all! (or in the beginning when vndb AGAIN DIDN'T MARK THE "ONLY BAD ENDINGS"-TAG WITH A SPOILER RATING - oh I hate you guys spoiling vns for me so much >_<)

got emotionally blackmailed into finally try reading mugen kairou2, which i surprisingly never did before, after having read 1 & 1.5 quite some years ago to my very satisfaction.

edit: still not finished with virgin load but for the sake of non dehydrating any more than this, i´ll pause it for now.
dialogues like this pretty much drestroyed me:
はあはあ。この無垢が、今日よりおもうさま蹂躙され尽くすのだ。はあはあ。我が我が肉体の淫猥なるを以って、今宵よりこの純真を徹底的に踏み躙るがゆえに。はあはあ

I lost my hope in western community so many times that I stopped caring...

Re: Running Out of "Good" Games
Won't happen.  Most localization companies can't even keep pace with individual Japanese developers (just look at JAST and Nitroplus, or MangaGamer and Navel).  That's not even factoring in the new partnerships that are occurring.  With ~95% of VNs untranslated, running out of good VNs to translate is an odd concern.
There's a lot of problems bogging down the English eroge market.  Here's a few:
Porn stigma: English-speaking cultures stigmatize porn.  In Japan, porn sells games.  In the West, it has the opposite effect, as English speakers equate presence of porn with "no other value".  In addition, porn gets in the way of mainstream distribution, advertisement, and press coverage.  Add to that an audience that thinks porn should be free, and you have a real market issue.  Small market is small: Because of other factors, the market is limited.  Because the market is small, many Japanese developers aren't interested in catering to it.  As a result, we don't have a variety of good games that will appeal to different interests, which keeps the market small. Visual novels aren't games and aren't books: VNs fit into a niche between the two with no established market in the West.  They're games without gameplay.  They're novels with often subpar translations, or simply prose that doesn't fit established conventions and Western concepts. VNs are viewed as sexist escapist fantasies for nerds who can't get a girlfriend: This stigma turns people away, discourages open discussion and dissemination (especially offline) by those who stick around, and encourages a culture of piracy. The culture of piracy: Because of the above factors, as well as the nature of the target demographic (tech-savvy college-aged males usually with no stable income), the target audience tends to pirate rather than buy.  One thing I've learned is that people are more likely to buy games if there's no free alternative available to them.  Unfortunately, the VN fanbase tends to be tech-savvy, so that rarely occurs.  Steam is a better target, as evidenced by the 15k or so hits on my Sakura Swim Club patch install guide (most VN fans could install the patch without a guide I'm sure).

It's a shame that many people can't differentiate between something being just bad and hating something on a personal level. It's not the same.
I would even say that something which can trigger deep emotions like hate can't be purely bad. And School Days is certainly the emotion triggering type of visual novel.

You're talking about an industry which can only survive because it's financed by horny teenagers. There is no other entertainment in this world which is as true to the carnal desires of its audience as animu is. Newsflash: Most animu and visual novels are smut. Everything else is the exception. Stop lying to yourself.
 
You misspelled "fap base".

It's a shame that many people can't differentiate between something being just bad and hating something on a personal level. It's not the same.
I would even say that something which can trigger deep emotions like hate can't be purely bad. And School Days is certainly the emotion triggering type of visual novel.

It's a shame that many people can't differentiate between something being just bad and hating something on a personal level. It's not the same.
I would even say that something which can trigger deep emotions like hate can't be purely bad. And School Days is certainly the emotion triggering type of visual novel.

it was a logical consequence of when i first started becoming socially arkward, resulting in me becoming socially arkward the more...

edit: sega saturn - dyoukusei

i do get worked up when someone tells me that buiseness btw potential boost of sales comes before reading experience, because if thats the case then piss off and sell cars, or whatever and not a medium that atually lives from its reading experience, furthermore calling me a purist, elitist or whatever overly-sentimental dude that hasnt understood the world he´s living in...

It's really not a good idea comparing Clockup's nukige with their serious games like euphoria or Fraternite.
 
I knew quite a few 3DPDs who said this phrase to me. There is nothing illogical about a woman desiring such an act.
Heck, if it comes to the characterization of broken girl's, I guess eroge is pretty damn close to reality in this regard. ^^ Much more realistic than cute girls liking a hetare, haha xD
(I don't like this particular Clockup game, btw)

So much yes! This is everything that needs to be said. ^^
Really, if the story is good, everything is fine. Because in a good story, everything is part of the story thus it has a purpose. And I don't need to like everything I read because sometimes it's necessary to present even something unlikable to the reader to get the message across.
If a novel doesn't challenge me in some way, it's not a story worth to be told, in my opinion.
That said, bad writing is the only turn off for me. Some tropes are inherently bad writing style, like hetare and donkan, so those are obviously included.

Uhm, euphoria is certainly not a nukige. Most of the h-scenes are concentrated in the first part of the game which is only a small part of the whole eroge. Stating that 50% of the game are h-scenes is just plain wrong.
There is much more to the game than most of you who haven't read it think and hentai scenes are only a small part of it. And most of them are actually important to the characterization and development.