Mr. Meogii Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 MFW looking for plot in nukige... What can I say mate. I love romance more than the action. And that game had non of it. just senseless Screwing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted January 20, 2015 Author Share Posted January 20, 2015 What can I say mate. I love romance more than the action. And that game had non of it. just senseless Screwing Well can't say that ain't true.... Mr. Meogii 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pabloc Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 MFW looking for plot in nukige... Plot is very important in nukiges. It doesn't have to be good or complex, obviously, but basic storyline and characterization are absolutely vital for some H-scenes to work. Vanilla, romantic sex-scenes are rubbish if you aren't attached to the characters at least a little (that's why those work much better in moeges etc.). But it's rape and NTR that rely on plot the most. If the rape victim is some Black Lilith whore I couldn't care less about, then it just doesn't work. The lack of bad aftertaste that XReaper mentioned earlier is a prime example of a failure of a rape scene. It's not supposed be neutral. NTR is even more vulnerable to shitty plots and characters. When the MC is a total looser and the heroine is a dumb slut, the fact she cheats on him for one reason or another is, again - emotionally neutral. That completely misses the point of dark H in general. It's supposed to be horrible and make you feel bad. To some extent of course - if you feel too bad, it becomes unfappable (but then it can turn out to be a good drama/ustuge material, so it's not necessarily a bad thing). Without those feelings, it's not that different than vanilla consensual sex. That's why good nukiges are so rare - it's quite difficult to write emotionally engaging H-scenes (consensual or not) with limited time spent on storytelling and characterization (and when you spend too much time on that, it's no longer a nukige...). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted January 20, 2015 Author Share Posted January 20, 2015 Plot is very important in nukiges. It doesn't have to be good or complex, obviously, but basic storyline and characterization are absolutely vital for some H-scenes to work. Vanilla, romantic sex-scenes are rubbish if you aren't attached to the characters at least a little (that's why those work much better in moeges etc.). But it's rape and NTR that rely on plot the most. If the rape victim is some Black Lilith whore I couldn't care less about, then it just doesn't work. The lack of bad aftertaste that XReaper mentioned earlier is a prime example of a failure of a rape scene. It's not supposed be neutral. NTR is even more vulnerable to shitty plots and characters. When the MC is a total looser and the heroine is a dumb slut, the fact she cheats on him for one reason or another is, again - emotionally neutral. That completely misses the point of dark H in general. It's supposed to be horrible and make you feel bad. To some extent of course - if you feel too bad, it becomes unfappable (but then it can turn out to be a good drama/ustuge material, so it's not necessarily a bad thing). Without those feelings, it's not that different than vanilla consensual sex. That's why good nukiges are so rare - it's quite difficult to write emotionally engaging H-scenes (consensual or not) with limited time spent on storytelling and characterization (and when you spend too much time on that, it's no longer a nukige...). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pabloc Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 ^ Oh, that's certainly true. It's all about right proportions - the plot should do it's job in as little time as possible. Too much storytelling - especially if it's not-so-good - can make the whole thing simply boring. Overly stupid plot can be a huge turn-off as well (at least for me) - that's a flaw of many H-oriented titles in various genres (amine tends to be especially bad in that regard). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted January 20, 2015 Author Share Posted January 20, 2015 ^ Oh, that's certainly true. It's all about right proportions - the plot should do it's job in as little time as possible. Too much storytelling - especially if it's not-so-good - can make the whole thing simply boring. Overly stupid plot can be a huge turn-off as well (at least for me) - that's a flaw of many H-oriented titles in various genres (amine tends to be especially bad in that regard). So yeah, I wasn't saying there shouldn't be plot but purely looking for a plot isn't really the best approach for a nukige either. If the plot is too long, it really is just any other eroge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosakyun Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 So in short, a good nukige focuses on its main function. H-scenes! Praise Ero-sama. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted January 20, 2015 Author Share Posted January 20, 2015 So in short, a good nukige focuses on its main function. H-scenes! Praise Ero-sama. Basically Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Meogii Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 What I mean is quite a bit of plot may ruin certain nukiges too. At the end of the day, you're reading quite a bit of text to go from one h scene to another, and may spoil your mood so to speak ever so slightly. You can't just have senseless Screwing man. Maybe you can deal with all that but I really get tired after going through endless H scenes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted January 20, 2015 Author Share Posted January 20, 2015 You can't just have senseless Screwing man. Maybe you can deal with all that but I really get tired after going through endless H scenes.Not endless but the point of nukige is the h scenes. I mean, the definition is eroge that concentrates on helping with masturbation. Therefore, it shouldn't have too much plot or it's not helping the concentrating on masturbating part which is its whole and sole purpose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alucard Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 eushully games always go without saying, one of my all time favorite developers. I wouldn't qualify these games as nukige. Kamidori did have sex scenes if you wanted them but for the most part they were optional Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosakyun Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 The main showcase of Eushully games is the gameplay anyway. To classify them as nukiges is just, uh. After all, it's not the sex that takes away most of your time. It's the grinding and the item gathering. Basically, the gameplay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parallel Pain Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 You can't just have senseless Screwing man. Maybe you can deal with all that but I really get tired after going through endless H scenes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted January 26, 2015 Author Share Posted January 26, 2015 I'm pretty sure senseless screwing is the definition of nukige. I mean you don't have to like it. I for the most part don't. But that's its definition. Just saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Meogii Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Thank you for making a point I was going to make and forgot.... Nukige's definition is an eroge MADE to be used to help masturbation so yes senseless screwing for the most part is what you may find. It won't be considered a nukige if there wasn't all of that screwing so.....sadly you just have admit to hate perverted things or be a pervert like me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbl Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 It is kind of hard to have a preference when you're just reading for the porn, it's more a matter of what fetish/genre you're feeling into at the time IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decay Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I rarely fap to hentai and so I barely read nukige unless it triggers some specific fetishes. I guess I'm about to unveil something dark about me, but eh, whatever. If you're into real-world (no tentacles allowed) sexual slavery/bdsm, Tsurumiku is pretty much the best there is for that, imo. I love the art and the scenes hit all the right buttons for me. None of it their work is translated, unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinalChaos Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 The best Nukige I ever read has to be Monster Girl Quest. I'm not really into femdom but nevertheless MGQ is amazing. Am I the only one who liked Conquering the Queen ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosakyun Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 I freaking thought about LiquidShu when I opened that and saw the companies. Ugh. Now his name is stained whenever I see it. Also, that's pretty long. Might give it a try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinalChaos Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Well it has a bit of plot so it was much more easier to play through. It still has usual faults of the nukige plot but still having some loose plot is better than nothing at all. The fetishes aren't as extreme as some of the other nukiges mentioned here. The protag is a person who wants power and ero, he is much like an eviler-Rance. I felt that the girls were designed pretty well too. You know those scenes where after sex, the girls have an 'ecstatic' face with their tongue outside and the eyes rolled in. Whenever I see such a scene, I can't help but feel creeped out. Am I the only who feels that the faces shouldn't be drawn/made that way ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funyarinpa Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Well it has a bit of plot so it was much more easier to play through. It still has usual faults of the nukige plot but still having some loose plot is better than nothing at all. The fetishes aren't as extreme as some of the other nukiges mentioned here. The protag is a person who wants power and ero, he is much like an eviler-Rance. I felt that the girls were designed pretty well too. You know those scenes where after sex, the girls have an 'ecstatic' face with their tongue outside and the eyes rolled in. Whenever I see such a scene, I can't help but feel creeped out. Am I the only who feels that the faces shouldn't be drawn/made that way ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XReaper Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 also like ahegao very much, cause it tells you much bout the intensity of the act itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suikashoujo Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 The only ahegao I really like (or find even remotely decent, really) is the stuff from Hamashima Shigeo in Clockup games. That may be why I don't play many nukige, because a lot of the ones that look good have awful facial expressions to go along with scenes I otherwise would have liked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosakyun Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 You know those scenes where after sex, the girls have an 'ecstatic' face with their tongue outside and the eyes rolled in. Whenever I see such a scene, I can't help but feel creeped out. Am I the only who feels that the faces shouldn't be drawn/made that way ? It's a measure of how lewd things are getting. I can't say I hate it, but it would be nice to have it drawn nicely. With the heart-shaped pupils and all. I'm a sucker for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XReaper Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 It's a measure of how lewd things are getting. I can't say I hate it, but it would be nice to have it drawn nicely. With the heart-shaped pupils and all. I'm a sucker for that. yeah i think that should be an essential condition, otherway it simply gives you the creeps or just kills the mood at worst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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