The impact of H-scenes on Visual Novels

[crunchytaco]

On those who voted negatively against H-scene:

 

From what I see it's broken down to more than one group generally

 

1.) Those who are morally against it. They feel that the H-scenes degrade the character and the person viewing it. After finishing fapping, they are left feeling guilty and sinful. It's as if they were molested by the VN authors, manipulating their own hands to do so.

 

2.) Those who are too asexual to understand a powerful libido. They might see it as a waste of time and resource. Also it puts them in an awkward position if they get caught since the rewards aren't worth the risk.

 

3.) Those who might like it if H scenes weren't so laughably bad in VNs. I could see that happening if the H-scene was poorly written and implemented, making harder for them to take the VN seriously. If you ever get the chance ,watch the movie Striptease starring Elizabeth Berkeley and you'll understand what awkward sex scenes are. It's like watching a fish flopping out of water, or a skinny woman twerking. Don't get me wrong, she was still hawt.

[Satsuki]

I think it's a waste of time because it's. If you want to fap, go read nukige, no need to bother going through all those walls of text.

And I could not care less about "being caught" btw. I even watched TLRD in the class...

[sirjabberwock]

There've been VNs in which I've enjoyed the h scenes (KS <3) with the added bonus of them being plot-relevant. There are also VNs where the h scenes were of poor quality and I didn't enjoy them, but this point didn't really detract from my experience with the VN as a whole. If I want to view something strictly for h scenes, I'll hop my happy ass right on over to the hentai thread and get a good rec with a little help from my friends.

 

On those who voted negatively against H-scene:

 

From what I see it's broken down to more than one group generally

 

1.) Those who are morally against it. They feel that the H-scenes degrade the character and the person viewing it. After finishing fapping, they are left feeling guilty and sinful. It's as if they were molested by the VN authors, manipulating their own hands to do so.

 

2.) Those who are too asexual to understand a powerful libido. They might see it as a waste of time and resource. Also it puts them in an awkward position if they get caught since the rewards aren't worth the risk.

 

3.) Those who might like it if H scenes weren't so laughably bad in VNs. I could see that happening if the H-scene was poorly written and implemented, making harder for them to take the VN seriously. If you ever get the chance ,watch the movie Striptease starring Elizabeth Berkeley and you'll understand what awkward sex scenes are. It's like watching a fish flopping out of water, or a skinny woman twerking. Don't get me wrong, she was still hawt.

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[theboxcarracer]

On those who voted negatively against H-scene:

 

From what I see it's broken down to more than one group generally

 

1.) Those who are morally against it. They feel that the H-scenes degrade the character and the person viewing it. After finishing fapping, they are left feeling guilty and sinful. It's as if they were molested by the VN authors, manipulating their own hands to do so.

 

2.) Those who are too asexual to understand a powerful libido. They might see it as a waste of time and resource. Also it puts them in an awkward position if they get caught since the rewards aren't worth the risk.

 

3.) Those who might like it if H scenes weren't so laughably bad in VNs. I could see that happening if the H-scene was poorly written and implemented, making harder for them to take the VN seriously. If you ever get the chance ,watch the movie Striptease starring Elizabeth Berkeley and you'll understand what awkward sex scenes are. It's like watching a fish flopping out of water, or a skinny woman twerking. Don't get me wrong, she was still hawt.

 

Well, honestly, I voted against H-scenes not because of my own personal feelings about their inclusion in VNs, but because I feel as though they have a pretty strong negative impact on their sales and credibility in the west. Maybe not so much in Japan (I have no idea or context for that whatsoever, honestly) but H-scenes certainly push people away from the genre over here. As long as they have the stigma of "porn games" attached to them, they will never be accepted by a larger audience over here, let alone be mainstream in any way.

 

That said, I also feel like the damage has already been done, and no amount of English-translated, H-free games being released over here is going to convince people outside of this bubble that this genre has any value. It's sad, because there are some VNs with incredible stories that I would love to see more people experience.

[crunchytaco]

I think it's a waste of time because it's. If you want to fap, go read nukige, no need to bother going through all those walls of text.

And I could not care less about "being caught" btw. I even watched TLRD in the class...

 

I wasn't referring to you specifically. Omit anything that doesn't apply.

 

But assuming anyone who wants to fap, should automatically go to a nukige is way off. How does Nukige replace the emotional feelings and attachment one gets from their favorite eroge (whatever VN genre that fits under it)? I find that quite insulting. 

 

You have a very small understanding of sexuality and psychology and do little to make those assumptions.

 

 

Well, honestly, I voted against H-scenes not because of my own personal feelings about their inclusion in VNs, but because I feel as though they have a pretty strong negative impact on their sales and credibility in the west. Maybe not so much in Japan (I have no idea or context for that whatsoever, honestly) but H-scenes certainly push people away from the genre over here. As long as they have the stigma of "porn games" attached to them, they will never be accepted by a larger audience over here, let alone be mainstream in any way.

 

That said, I also feel like the damage has already been done, and no amount of English-translated, H-free games being released over here is going to convince people outside of this bubble that this genre has any value. It's sad, because there are some VNs with incredible stories that I would love to see more people experience.

 

That's very credible and I should include that. I won't comment on the exclusion/censoring, since these same arguments have applied to Anime and Manga's attempt to appeal to the West through exclusion/censoring in the past. What I think about it has already been said. 

[Tawm]

Well, honestly, I voted against H-scenes not because of my own personal feelings about their inclusion in VNs, but because I feel as though they have a pretty strong negative impact on their sales and credibility in the west. Maybe not so much in Japan (I have no idea or context for that whatsoever, honestly) but H-scenes certainly push people away from the genre over here. As long as they have the stigma of "porn games" attached to them, they will never be accepted by a larger audience over here, let alone be mainstream in any way.

 

That said, I also feel like the damage has already been done, and no amount of English-translated, H-free games being released over here is going to convince people outside of this bubble that this genre has any value. It's sad, because there are some VNs with incredible stories that I would love to see more people experience.

The market for VNs in the west is so small compared to target audience in the east, that if they removed h-scenes for whatever reason, the market would likely take a huge dive in sales across the board and negatively affect the medium as a whole.

 

There has been an attempt to cater to the western mainstream audience on Steam, but the second people find out there's censorship in any way, they refuse to buy or play the VN in question, claiming to not get the full experience, even if what is censored is straight up hardcore pornography fluff and nothing else.

 

There's just no way to please everyone.

 

Most people I bring up the topic of visual novels with have no idea this medium even exists in the first place.

[Zenophilious]

There has been an attempt to cater to the western mainstream audience on Steam, but the second people find out there's censorship in any way, they refuse to buy or play the VN in question, claiming to not get the full experience, even if what is censored is straight up hardcore pornography fluff and nothing else.

Guilty as charged.  I dislike censorship in general, but that's another story that I will not post here.  Ask Rooke if you're curious 

 

The market for VNs in the west is so small compared to target audience in the east, that if they removed h-scenes for whatever reason, the market would likely take a huge dive in sales across the board and negatively affect the medium as a whole.

From what I've heard, h-scenes are a pretty big selling point in Japan (not 100% on that, don't take my word as fact), so if they were taken out permanently their success would most likely take a decent hit.  Still, though, VNs like Clannad and Steins; Gate still do very well for themselves even though they lack h-scenes, but I have a feeling that they would have sold even better if they had included h-scenes, simply because it appeals to a wider audience while also only alienating prudes, as long as the story is still good.

[Kosakyun]

The market for VNs in the west is so small compared to target audience in the east, that if they removed h-scenes for whatever reason, the market would likely take a huge dive in sales across the board and negatively affect the medium as a whole.

 

It's one of the selling points of various titles out there. They present pretty girls, and they make you expect that you can screw these girls if you play through the game. The people, seeing that their subconscious desire to screw the heroines can be fulfilled, will buy the game. In short, both sides win. Whether we like it or not, H-scenes are a vital factor in determining sales of a product. Sure there are titles that do good even without H-scenes, but those are titles from companies that have made a name for themselves in industry. But what about those who are just blossoming? What better way to catch the audience's attention using H-scenes? It's something like that from my point of view.

[Cyrillej1]

Okay, I admit there are times I've read specifically looking forward to the hentai-scenes.  However, there are also times I've read specifically for the plot and characters, and the hentai-scenes don't matter at all.

 

I think of the hentai scenes like extra icing on the cake.. something extra that can be enjoyed, but without it, it'd be fine too as long as the story & characters are great.  Although, there are times I also think it would have been better without that extra icing xD since it's overdone.

 

Ex: I recently played Soukoku no Arterial... that first hentai scene felt very out of place and out of character to me... I would have been happier if they left it out completely.  I like hentai scenes if it flows well with the storyline and characters, otherwise it'd just be awkward and better left out.  Still, you have the option to skip such scenes, so in the end it doesn't really matter.

 

I think I'm mixed about it.  I usually just like to feel like I have the whole experience of what something can offer without any censorship, so if I had a choice between an all-ages vs 18+ I'd pick the latter.  There might even be extra things I can learn about the characters or story that was taken out in the all-ages... and if I dislike it, there's always the skip button.

 

-Overall, I'd pick the awesome epic story and great characters  (with or without hentai).

 

 

Actually yes, that is what pure love means, kissing is the most that two people who are in pure love can do, if they want anything "more" then it stops being pure love.

".............."    I just can't...    Anyways, who makes the rules about what is the truest or purest form of love and what's not.  How can you nitpick that kissing is okay, and then say everything else is dirty... that's just what You want so don't make it out to be a fact and force it on everyone else.

 

In my opinion, true love is closer to truly accepting others as they are, whether good or bad or at least attempting to understand it.  This pure love idea you have... it's focused on rejecting others who are not the same.  That kind of moral superiority stuff bothers me.

[Okami]

 

".............."    I just can't...    Anyways, who makes the rules about what is the truest or purest form of love and what's not.  How can you nitpick that kissing is okay, and then say everything else is dirty... that's just what You want so don't make it out to be a fact and force it on everyone else.

 

In my opinion, true love is closer to truly accepting others as they are, whether good or bad or at least attempting to understand it.  This pure love idea you have... it's focused on rejecting others who are not the same.  That kind of moral superiority stuff bothers me.

 

 

You do realize I am not talking about pure love from god that loves his children and accepts them as they are, as that is what you idea of pure love seems to be, I am talking about pure  love between two (2D) people that doesn't require you to love everyone and accept everyone.

And yes I do consider that people who are not perverts are superior from those who are, it's not a morality thing true but logical just as humans are superior from animals.

 

As for who makes a rules, well like always it logic that makes a rules as it should be.

 

But I didn't come to continue arguing I just realized that I newer given my opinion on a second poll.

 

Personally I find an option to disable a H-scenes a big deal as it helps me enjoy an VN  a lot more,whoever in a terms of market/popularity I don't think it has such a big impact as I doubt that it would change opinion of people into giving it a try, in fact I doubt that many people who would go away from VNs because of porn scenes would even find out about those options. Whoever making a 2 separate versions of VN one that has H-scenes and one that doesn't (Or just 1 that doesn't) could make a lot bigger impact on the market as that way you could put a version that doesn't have H into places like Steam that doesn't allow H and where people know that noting there has a porn.

[Nerathim]

People saying that h-scenes don't matter or are a good element in VN...well you never tried to recommend a VN to your uninitiated friends huh ? I can't count how many times I saw people looking for videogames with good plots and were always reluctant to read a VN not because of the absence of gameplay but because of h-scenes, maybe that's them being close-minded but it's definitely understandable, I am particulary fond of books and without 07th Expansion to dive me into VNs I would probably never tried one and I know a lot of people are like that. If you're used to pure litterature (or even an average videogame player who wants to see a scenario as much thrilling as Planescape Torment for instance) you will probably never be appealed by a generic character-design (95% of VNs) and even less the "weeaboo shit" (pardon the expression) such as the hentai and sexually weird humor. The best answer you could get from someone like that is a : "If I have time" (meaning that it's not a priority at all lol). This is sad because I'm sure VNs like G-Senjou No Maou, Tsukihime, Yu-No... could please anybody who has at least seen one anime in his life, but because of the sexual content it's another story...

[Zenophilious]

People saying that h-scenes don't matter or are a good element in VN...well you never tried to recommend a VN to your uninitiated friends huh ? I can't count how many times I saw people looking for videogames with good plots and were always reluctant to read a VN not because of the absence of gameplay but because of h-scenes, maybe that's them being close-minded but it's definitely understandable, I am particulary fond of books and without 07th Expansion to dive me into VNs I would probably never tried one and I know a lot of people are like that. If you're used to pure litterature (or even an average videogame player who wants to see a scenario as much thrilling as Planescape Torment for instance) you will probably never be appealed by a generic character-design (95% of VNs) and even less the "weeaboo shit" (pardon the expression) such as the hentai and sexually weird humor. The best answer you could get from someone like that is a : "If I have time" (meaning that it's not a priority at all lol). This is sad because I'm sure VNs like G-Senjou No Maou, Tsukihime, Yu-No... could please anybody who has at least seen one anime in his life, but because of the sexual content it's another story...

To be fair, a decent chunk of people I know played Mass Effect because of the combination of alien sideboob and the fact that it's an amazing game (sadly I know several "casuals"...).  Like, the sex scenes were a major reason they bought the game in the first place.  I know they're a minority, but things like that aren't exclusive to VNs.  It's just more socially acceptable to buy a game that has brief sex scenes than "weeaboo bullshit that has hardcore pornography in it".  Really, even if games similar enough to 18+ VNs were released, people wouldn't have as much of a problem with them as they do with 18+ VNs.  Most people that don't like anime, manga or VNs think that the entire chunk of Japanese entertainment is crap, at least the people I know that aren't into it do.

[TexasDice]

I thinks that is more about VNs having the anime look, rather than H-scenes. Though not explicit, people watch games of thrones and nobody has ever stopped playing Dragon Age or Mass Effect after you tell them "dude, you can bang this chick at the end". A lot of people just dislike everything remotely anime on a whim. 

 

Also, another thing is the pure disinterest of the average gamer in a medium, which focuses on storytelling and character development. It's 2014, who wants to read 30 hours of text, when you could instead buy the newest medal of callwarfarefield and shoot at US-soldiers inside of ugly gray and brown buildings?

 

EDIT: Zenophilious, best man.

[crunchytaco]

 

People saying that h-scenes don't matter or are a good element in VN...well you never tried to recommend a VN to your uninitiated friends huh ? I can't count how many times I saw people looking for videogames with good plots and were always reluctant to read a VN not because of the absence of gameplay but because of h-scenes, maybe that's them being close-minded but it's definitely understandable, I am particulary fond of books and without 07th Expansion to dive me into VNs I would probably never tried one and I know a lot of people are like that. If you're used to pure litterature (or even an average videogame player who wants to see a scenario as much thrilling as Planescape Torment for instance) you will probably never be appealed by a generic character-design (95% of VNs) and even less the "weeaboo shit" (pardon the expression) such as the hentai and sexually weird humor. The best answer you could get from someone like that is a : "If I have time" (meaning that it's not a priority at all lol). This is sad because I'm sure VNs like G-Senjou No Maou, Tsukihime, Yu-No... could please anybody who has at least seen one anime in his life, but because of the sexual content it's another story...

 

 

You do realize heralded games like Planescape also have sexually vivid imagery in both their art and text? Many would argue a lot of those oversexualizations to be pointlessly trying to appeal to a hormonal teen audience such such as the overexposed cleavages and ass cracks in what are supposed to be covered by armor. 

 

Planescape Torment in fact was full of sexual content that didn't add or take away from the game. You could hire a hooker off the street just to pointlessly throw away some pennies. There was a whole brothel dedicated to weird sexual fetishes (a prostitute made of silicon compound and cold as steel) where you find one of the main heroines. Your ally and love interests were a rat girl in a bikini and a sexy succubus ex-slave. Praise Black Isle for it's incredible writer, as following that were blocks of titillating texts scattered throughout the game, but let's not white wash a history gaming for what it was.

 

Then there was the first Witcher that used bioware's Neverwinter Night engine and was hailed as one of the best RPGs during a time when good Western RPGs were going through a drought. This game was like Yugio mixed with Rance. The main character conquered women and collected playing cards with their naked bodies on 'em.

 

 

 

I thinks that is more about VNs having the anime look, rather than H-scenes. Though not explicit, people watch games of thrones and nobody has ever stopped playing Dragon Age or Mass Effect after you tell them "dude, you can bang this chick at the end". A lot of people just dislike everything remotely anime on a whim. 

 

 

There's so much truth to that, we're in denial if we think many people dislike VNs for anything other than that there are anime characters in it. 

 

Different people have different experiences, but I've never had known a guy friend who've introduced VNs to have turned it down due to the H-content. Many of them just don't like to read or looking at Moe characters which they consider just a ridiculous fascination. Maybe the culprit ISN'T the H-scene but that a lot of the characters look like they're 12 compared to Western standards. People like their men grity and dark; and enjoy their women voluptuous and overdeveloped here in the west.

[Vokoca]

I should probably add to this thread rather than just posting pointless stuff, so here goes.

People saying that h-scenes don't matter or are a good element in VN...well you never tried to recommend a VN to your uninitiated friends huh ? I can't count how many times I saw people looking for videogames with good plots and were always reluctant to read a VN not because of the absence of gameplay but because of h-scenes, maybe that's them being close-minded but it's definitely understandable, I am particulary fond of books and without 07th Expansion to dive me into VNs I would probably never tried one and I know a lot of people are like that. If you're used to pure litterature (or even an average videogame player who wants to see a scenario as much thrilling as Planescape Torment for instance) you will probably never be appealed by a generic character-design (95% of VNs) and even less the "weeaboo shit" (pardon the expression) such as the hentai and sexually weird humor. The best answer you could get from someone like that is a : "If I have time" (meaning that it's not a priority at all lol). This is sad because I'm sure VNs like G-Senjou No Maou, Tsukihime, Yu-No... could please anybody who has at least seen one anime in his life, but because of the sexual content it's another story...

In that sense, h-scenes definitely have a negative effect on VNs - though I still wouldn't call it an one-sided negative effect. I agree with Zeno's idea of a 'mixed influence' in the way that the negative influence affects generally people outside of the niche group - not so much the ones inside of it, where you could argue it even has positive effects.
 
It's also probably unfair to blame the difficult approachability on h-content alone. People will find it weird for being Japanese already; the culture is different, with different standards and measures, and even if I take the erotic content out of the quesiton completely, I still think the general public will find it repulsive in one way or the other. In this way, perhaps the general public is to blame, not the medium itself?
 
I would also like to mention that judging h-scenes as a whole just on the bad examples (even if they are in the majority) is rather unfortunate. Sure, there are lots of VNs that have h-scenes just to fap, and there are story driven VNs with h-scenes shoehorned in so badly that they could do without them just fine - but there also exists VNs where the h-scenes are a very important, if not an integral part of the story/mechanics. Even if I disqualify euphoria for being a nukige through and through, there are other examples, like Subarashiki Hibi (where the h-scenes are used to portray just how crazy and bad things can get), Kimi to Kanojo to Kanojo no Koi (where the h-scenes are an integral plot/concept point), or even the much more familiar Saya no Uta, which I would honestly rather read with the h content than without, too.
 
And just to make this clear, I am not a huge fan of h-scenes. I don't fap to them, and I generally have to fight the urge to skip them (and I sometimes do) - but I've learned that sometimes they just are good. Sometimes, they are just as important as the story itself. And even if they are complete trash shoehorned in just for the faps and cash-- if you got this far into eroge, which make up the majority of VNs, screaming about how inappropriate they are seems kind of silly to me. Also, let's be fair here, just as much as some people would like to deny it, visual novels aren't the only medium depicting sex out there. There are plenty of books, movies or even shows - and lots of those happen to be popular. I wonder why it's okay there, but not in VNs?

[TexasDice]

There's so much truth to that, we're in denial if we think many people dislike VNs for anything other than that there are anime characters in it.  

My best friend refused to read ace attorney for the past three years and still can't give me a clear reason why. Related? I'll let you decide... But the answer is yes. 

[crunchytaco]

I should probably add to this thread rather than just posting pointless stuff, so here goes.

In that sense, h-scenes definitely have a negative effect on VNs - though I still wouldn't call it an one-sided negative effect. I agree with Zeno's idea of a 'mixed influence' in the way that the negative influence affects generally people outside of the niche group - not so much the ones inside of it, where you could argue it even has positive effects.

 

It's also probably unfair to blame the difficult approachability on h-content alone. People will find it weird for being Japanese already; the culture is different, with different standards and measures, and even if I take the erotic content out of the quesiton completely, I still think the general public will find it repulsive in one way or the other. In this way, perhaps the general public is to blame, not the medium itself?

 

I would also like to mention that judging h-scenes as a whole just on the bad examples (even if they are in the majority) is rather unfortunate. Sure, there are lots of VNs that have h-scenes just to fap, and there are story driven VNs with h-scenes shoehorned in so badly that they could do without them just fine - but there also exists VNs where the h-scenes are a very important, if not an integral part of the story/mechanics. Even if I disqualify euphoria for being a nukige through and through, there are other examples, like Subarashiki Hibi (where the h-scenes are used to portray just how crazy and bad things can get), Kimi to Kanojo to Kanojo no Koi (where the h-scenes are an integral plot/concept point), or even the much more familiar Saya no Uta, which I would honestly rather read with the h content than without, too.

 

And just to make this clear, I am not a huge fan of h-scenes. I don't fap to them, and I generally have to fight the urge to skip them (and I sometimes do) - but I've learned that sometimes they just are good. Sometimes, they are just as important as the story itself. And even if they are complete trash shoehorned in just for the faps and cash-- if you got this far into eroge, which make up the majority of VNs, screaming about how inappropriate they are seems kind of silly to me. Also, let's be fair here, just as much as some people would like to deny it, visual novels aren't the only medium depicting sex out there. There are plenty of books, movies or even shows - and lots of those happen to be popular. I wonder why it's okay there, but not in VNs?

 

Basically what I wanted to say but a little more eloquent because I'm too lazy to frame my wording right now  . 

[Kaguya]

Alright. If I'm going to be blunt here, there is some derailing going on. 

 

This thread is not about your opinions on love or anything of the sort. It's the impact H-scenes have in VNs as a medium. You're free to talk about that and just that. Other posts will be removed from now own. 

 

Any post that has some form of hate in it (ex: everyone who likes/dislikes X is an awful person) will be removed as well, and if more than two of those happen the matter will be brought to the staff. 

[Nerathim]

To be fair, a decent chunk of people I know played Mass Effect because of the combination of alien sideboob and the fact that it's an amazing game (sadly I know several "casuals"...).  Like, the sex scenes were a major reason they bought the game in the first place.  I know they're a minority, but things like that aren't exclusive to VNs.  It's just more socially acceptable to buy a game that has brief sex scenes than "weeaboo bullshit that has hardcore pornography in it".  Really, even if games similar enough to 18+ VNs were released, people wouldn't have as much of a problem with them as they do with 18+ VNs.  Most people that don't like anime, manga or VNs think that the entire chunk of Japanese entertainment is crap, at least the people I know that aren't into it do.

 

I believe you after all I'm just speaking from my own experience, the h-scenes never really helped to convert anyone to the media in my case... (most of them like animes, that's why their point of view is kind of strange to me)

 

 

 

You do realize heralded games like Planescape also have sexually vivid imagery in both their art and text? Many would argue a lot of those oversexualizations to be pointlessly trying to appeal to a hormonal teen audience such such as the overexposed cleavages and ass cracks in what are supposed to be covered by armor. 

 

 

But the application is totally different (I'm not saying that Planescape Torment proposes a sensual approach of sex), what can be disturbing in h-scene is their presentation (the famous Karcher cumshot for example), or even those horrible personality inconsistencies and twists with the characters. Maybe it's just me but in US RPG I never get the impression of sexual content being really "out of place", even if it's clearly shown, because the atmosphere isn't really made to give to the readers the urge to fap. I'm not sure how I can put this, it's more of a feeling than anything, just that VNs emphasize a lot more on sexual content, you can hardly think that it's only trivial , just look at the menus with "Replay scenes" options, I always thought of that as an aberration when the VN in question doesn't even bother to propose a scenario select.

As I said I don't care about h-scenes, I either skip or deactivate them because it's a pain to read and I find dubbed moanings too hilarious to take it seriously but I understand that h scenes might be really bothering.

(I get the impression that I particularly fucked up my english grammar in this message, be tolerant )

[Kurisu-Chan]

I believe you after all I'm just speaking from my own experience, the h-scenes never really helped to convert anyone to the media in my case... (most of them like animes, that's why their point of view is kind of strange to me)

 

 

 

But the application is totally different (I'm not saying that Planescape Torment proposes a sensual approach of sex), what can be disturbing in h-scene is their presentation (the famous Karcher cumshot for example), or even those horrible personality inconsistencies and twists with the characters. Maybe it's just me but in US RPG I never get the impression of sexual content being really "out of place", even if it's clearly shown, because the atmosphere isn't really made to give to the readers the urge to fap. I'm not sure how I can put this, it's more of a feeling than anything, just that VNs emphasize a lot more on sexual content, you can hardly think that it's only trivial , just look at the menus with "Replay scenes" options, I always thought of that as an aberration when the VN in question doesn't even bother to propose a scenario select.

As I said I don't care about h-scenes, I either skip or deactivate them because it's a pain to read and I find dubbed moanings too hilarious to take it seriously but I understand that h scenes might be really bothering.

(I get the impression that I particularly fucked up my english grammar in this message, be tolerant )

 

You know, i've read way worse stories in a particular forum that i'm sure you know, that's why i'm not bothered by H-scenes.

 

And then, it's true that the H is a major hurdle to make discover it to more persons, but then, i want to say, many great books have explicit sex scenes, many comics have very explicit sex scenes, so finaly, i want to say that the +18 tag isn't here for nothing.

[Nerathim]

You know, i've read way worse stories in a particular forum that i'm sure you know, that's why i'm not bothered by H-scenes.

 

No escape for me huh ?

 

 

 

 

 i want to say, many great books have explicit sex scenes,

 

Of course but it's written differently and you hardly get a chance to read this :

[Vokoca]

But the application is totally different (I'm not saying that Planescape Torment proposes a sensual approach of sex), what can be disturbing in h-scene is their presentation (the famous Karcher cumshot for example), or even those horrible personality inconsistencies and twists with the characters. Maybe it's just me but in US RPG I never get the impression of sexual content being really "out of place", even if it's clearly shown, because the atmosphere isn't really made to give to the readers the urge to fap. I'm not sure how I can put this, it's more of a feeling than anything, just that VNs emphasize a lot more on sexual content, you can hardly think that it's only trivial , just look at the menus with "Replay scenes" options, I always thought of that as an aberration when the VN in question doesn't even bother to propose a scenario select.

Again, not all VNs do this. If there is some actual effort put into the h-scenes, they can fit into the story, and they can actually serve as important character development moment, rather than just a sudden personality switch. I definitely know what you're referring to, but that should be taken as lazy/bad writing, not as the standard.

 

Though if we look on nukiges alone... I guess there's no character development in the first place, so I might just be bringing up an exception after all...

[Kurisu-Chan]

No escape for me huh ?

 

 

 

 

Of course but it's written differently and you hardly get a chance to read this :

No escape also for me huh? 

[Okami]

I see a lot of people here willing to blame unpopularity of VNs on anything else rather then to accept the truth that H-scenes are at fault. I mean what Anime art style/characters are in fault? oh wait but there are millions of anime fans in west and while there might be some people that are against anime there are a lot of those who are willing to give them a chance, witch is far bigger number then those who are willing to give a chance to VNs. And you claim how game of thrones and dragon age are a proof of how people don't have a problem with sex in their stories, I mean how ridicules can you people be, in dragon age you won't see more then underwear, and while there is some more nudity in game of thrones it's not even close to H-scenes.

 

Oh yes I saw some post claiming how VNs are unpopular because people would rather play games like CoD then read bunch of text, and while it is true that number of reader in a word is lowering, but dragon age for example is highly popular game witch has more reading of text then gameplay itself witch is one proof for that theory being wrong.

[OriginalRen]

I see a lot of people here willing to blame unpopularity of VNs on anything else rather then to accept the truth that H-scenes are at fault. I mean what Anime art style/characters are in fault? oh wait but there are millions of anime fans in west and while there might be some people that are against anime there are a lot of those who are willing to give them a chance, witch is far bigger number then those who are willing to give a chance to VNs. And you claim how game of thrones and dragon age are a proof of how people don't have a problem with sex in their stories, I mean how ridicules can you people be, in dragon age you won't see more then underwear, and while there is some more nudity in game of thrones it's not even close to H-scenes.

 

Oh yes I saw some post claiming how VNs are unpopular because people would rather play games like CoD then read bunch of text, and while it is true that number of reader in a word is lowering, but dragon age for example is highly popular game witch has more reading of text then gameplay itself witch is one proof for that theory being wrong.

 

Okami, just to quick clarify, Game of Thrones has scenes in it where they go to whore houses and literally pay prostitutes to have sex with them. True, while it does not show the actual act of the people having sex, the implications are there, and in that regard, it's an equivalent of simply censoring the actual organs being used, which a lot of h-scenes do already.

 

In other words, just because it's a black line covering a vagina (in the case of h-scenes) or just because we don't see a man entering another woman (in the case of Game of Thrones), doesn't mean we aren't aware of what is happening.