Kenshin_sama Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 And then you have Donald Trump. I have no fucking clue how to describe him in terms of being a Republican.He's more like a Nazi than a Republican. Shit, even Bush didn't stoop this low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 For example from a french point of view, american democrats would be the right and republicans so far extreme right they're kinda off the spectrum.Most likely because the Socialist Party is in power in France, and the American Democrats are a party which typically likes to straddle the Centre. So sure, it's easy to see why if you stand to the left, the Centre is to your right.Well if I was speaking from my own point of view the socialist party in france is pretty much centre-right in acts, especially since the state-of-emergency was declared But yeah as Valmore said it's not always a very sensical distinction anyway, it's more a historical thing. Things aren't simple enough that a linear spectrum with well defined boundaries for parties would work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valmore Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Not saying I agree with him, but the idea of making a group carry a card isn't exactly new in America, as you have to register to be a Native American and they have Federal ID cards for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shikomizue Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 *Shiko looks to one side of the confession thread*Confession: I'm not sure what left/right means in politics. Which side is liberal and which side is conservative?._. Confession: I'm not sure what left/right means in politics. Which side is liberal and which side is conservative?._. Confession: Neither do I. I'm a Bernie Sanders fan but most of the details behind politics have always been muddy because I've never had faith in this kind of stuff to genuinely care about the everyday people.Confession: I'm not sure what left/right means in politics. Which side is liberal and which side is conservative?._. Left is liberal, right is conservative. Additionally, communists are far left and fascists are far right.Additionally there are nuances of meaning b/w left and right depending on the countries. And you can have a conservative left. Or a liberal right.For example from a french point of view, american democrats would be the right and republicans so far extreme right they're kinda off the spectrum.*Shiko looks to the other side of the confession thread*For example from a french point of view, american democrats would be the right and republicans so far extreme right they're kinda off the spectrum.Most likely because the Socialist Party is in power in France, and the American Democrats are a party which typically likes to straddle the Centre. So sure, it's easy to see why if you stand to the left, the Centre is to your right.Actually, it's kind of silly how we label politicians right or left in America. Even inside of the two major political parties you have those who are less inside and further outside than the supposed "norm" of the political spectrum. Most of them don't actually even understand how things in the world work in the first place, and are really just Ritchie Rich socialites who can get elected because of their bankroll or position in society.For instance, for all intents and purposes Bernie Sanders, a "left" Democrat, is pretty much somewhere between a socialist and a communist, basically meaning Government controls a lot to the vast majority of things needed in your life, redistribution of wealth, etc. As an example, Sanders would likely favor overhauling the so-called "Obamacare" so that it's even more extensive. What's hilarious is those who hate "Obamacare" also have been shown to not want money taken from Medicare, which is essentially socialized health care for certain people. Anyway, I actually think Sanders is the most sincere person running out of this farcical group of rich kid idiots, however he also strikes me as voting for a meme with his simplicity of how the world should be.And then you have Donald Trump. I have no fucking clue how to describe him in terms of being a Republican. There's a party who needs to shut up the idiots who have managed to grab control of the party and get their voices to the front of the media. Believe it or not, there are differences in the Republican Party. There used to be a term called Rockefeller Republican, where the group was conservative in the financial aspect but tended to be more liberal on social issues. Christine Todd Whitman was a good example of that. They've mostly been driven to silence or over to the Democrats.Generally speaking, your average American falls toward the center in one way or another, not agreeing with the all aspects of what the vocal majority of a party says they stand for. Which is why I weep at our collective sheepish idea of clinging to a two-party system.And then you have Donald Trump. I have no fucking clue how to describe him in terms of being a Republican.He's more like a Nazi than a Republican. Shit, even Bush didn't stoop this low.For example from a french point of view, american democrats would be the right and republicans so far extreme right they're kinda off the spectrum.Most likely because the Socialist Party is in power in France, and the American Democrats are a party which typically likes to straddle the Centre. So sure, it's easy to see why if you stand to the left, the Centre is to your right.Well if I was speaking from my own point of view the socialist party in france is pretty much centre-right in acts, especially since the state-of-emergency was declared But yeah as Valmore said it's not always a very sensical distinction anyway, it's more a historical thing. Things aren't simple enough that a linear spectrum with well defined boundaries for parties would work.Not saying I agree with him, but the idea of making a group carry a card isn't exactly new in America, as you have to register to be a Native American and they have Federal ID cards for it. When did this become a politics thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valmore Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 CONFESSION: My degree is a BA in American Political Science/Government with a minor in English. I was drawn in hook, line and sinker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrael Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Confession: I'm not sure what left/right means in politics. Which side is liberal and which side is conservative?._. This is because your party system is a total joke. Democrats and republicans would both be considered 'right' in a lot of other countries (mainly Europe and Canada). I'm an active member of the Belgian communist party myself.Just Do Her*Confession: Today I met a girl that likes anime, has a similar political stance (far left), loves games in general (she loves Undertale which is my fav game this year), has a fun personality (at first glance anyways) and is also pretty cute. I also just found out she's single.Man...Wait...you're a liberal? I thought you were a fascist...Go for it! How'd you meet her, by the way? Spill the beans We were originally planning to do a massive (half a million people) march in Paris this weekend (march for the climate) but it was cancelled because terrorism. So, we decided to hold a few smaller manifestations in different cities all around Europe. We did one in Antwerp as well. While I was there, a good friend of mine arrived late with a cute girl I had never seen before. So, we started talking and hit it off pretty well. Afterwards we went to a bar and continued our conversation there. The topic inevitably swayed to Fallout 4 and eventually Undertale (which she claimed to 'absolutely love') and then to a certain VN which shall not be named because spoilers when I mentioned the game breaking the 4th wall. This led to her declaring her: 'Hey, that's like that girl from Mirai Nikki!'So yea, I had to really restrain myself or I would have asked her to marry me on the spot The annoying thing was the fact that we were in a big group so I couldn't really ask her number. Sigh... edit: Spoiler, sorry guys! Funyarinpa 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuuko Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 (edited) SCARY VNConfession: I am scared Edited November 30, 2015 by Kiriririri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrael Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Confession: I am scared Fuck dude that's a spoiler I'm so sorryI got rid of it, I suggest you do the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenshin_sama Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 *Shiko looks to one side of the confession thread**Shiko looks to the other side of the confession thread*When did this become a politics thread?This thread has a history of topic transformations. There have been times where it was a mental health discussion, a fetish discussion, and every so often video game/visual novel discussion pops up.Just go with the flow, this is a thread without limits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuuko Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Confession: I am scared Fuck dude that's a spoiler I'm so sorryI got rid of it, I suggest you do the sameIt's okay since I have read it but you made me remember it again D: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valmore Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Confession: I'm not sure what left/right means in politics. Which side is liberal and which side is conservative?._. This is because your party system is a total joke. Democrats and republicans would both be considered 'right' in a lot of other countries (mainly Europe and Canada). I'm an active member of the Belgian communist party myself.Just Do Her*Confession: Today I met a girl that likes anime, has a similar political stance (far left), loves games in general (she loves Undertale which is my fav game this year), has a fun personality (at first glance anyways) and is also pretty cute. I also just found out she's single.Man...Wait...you're a liberal? I thought you were a fascist...Go for it! How'd you meet her, by the way? Spill the beans So yea, I had to really restrain myself or I would have asked her to marry me on the spot The annoying thing was the fact that we were in a big group so I couldn't really ask her number. Sigh... edit: Spoiler, sorry guys!Example one: good. No need to be a creeper.Example two: bad. How many "You can do it" videos and memes do you need from us to get some confidence, man?!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funyarinpa Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Confession: I really wanna read that VN now, but I can't without knowing what it is, which would ruin the surprise. Oh well. Confession 2: I really don't get politics, all this shit about liberalism, communism, socialism, conservatism, etc. I don't get any of it. At all. All I feel like I know is the definitions,sort of. I'm confused by the content of these replies, though I guess I can say that I would want less government influence in things... That makes me left, I guess...? BTW, Tyrael, I'm not in the US so the whole democrat/republican debacle is not really "my" party system. Confession 3: Good luck with that fair lady, Tyrael; I'm gleeful for thee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrael Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Confession: I really wanna read that VN now, but I can't without knowing what it is, which would ruin the surprise. Oh well. Confession 2: I really don't get politics, all this shit about liberalism, communism, socialism, conservatism, etc. I don't get any of it. At all. All I feel like I know is the definitions,sort of. I'm confused by the content of these replies, though I guess I can say that I would want less government influence in things... That makes me left, I guess...? BTW, Tyrael, I'm not in the US so the whole democrat/republican debacle is not really "my" party system. Confession 3: Good luck with that fair lady, Tyrael; I'm gleeful for thee. Oh, I'm sorry. If you want a concise explanation, just read this, it'll only take a few minutes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left–right_politicsIt's a pretty famous VN though, i think most people here have read it (the ones that can read japanese, that is)Well... I can friend her on fb... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenshin_sama Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 though I guess I can say that I would want less government influence in things... That makes me left, I guess...?That'd make you more of a right than a left. In America, reduced government restrictions have lead to an immense rise of income inequality. And due to the increase of wealth and power going to large corporations, they are now buying our politicians and influencing the law in their favor while leaving the working class to suffer. Here's a video explanation to clear things up a little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrael Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 If you're left, that doesn't necessarily mean that you want the government to butt in on every aspect of your lives, but it does mean that you assume the way the capitalist market works doesn't benefit the majority of the population. Therefore, it is the government's job to regulate said market to make sure everyone is paid fairly (minimum wage), has a fair chance of getting a job (anti-discrimination laws), gets some sort of compensation if they fall ill/get injured during work (social security), etc...A true right-wing activist would say you are interfering with the free market and consequently hurting the economy. In America, they would just call you a dirty communist and be done with it I think the american republican party is also an excellent example of a party that is far right on many different fronts: they have a libertarian idea of what an economy looks like, they want the government to do as little as possible (which we would call classic liberalism) and they believe that the foundations of the country are rooted in core Christian values (so they're conservative). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valmore Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Confession: I really wanna read that VN now, but I can't without knowing what it is, which would ruin the surprise. Oh well. Confession 2: I really don't get politics, all this shit about liberalism, communism, socialism, conservatism, etc. I don't get any of it. At all. All I feel like I know is the definitions,sort of. I'm confused by the content of these replies, though I guess I can say that I would want less government influence in things... That makes me left, I guess...? BTW, Tyrael, I'm not in the US so the whole democrat/republican debacle is not really "my" party system. Confession 3: Good luck with that fair lady, Tyrael; I'm gleeful for thee. Depends? Are you in the US? If you want less government in the US you tend to skew to the right on that issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flutterz Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Confession: politics is 2 hard 4 me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Confession: politics is 2 hard 4 me Politics sucks anyway. All it does is make you angry and sad and feeling powerless and dreaming of the apocalyptic end we'll reach in a few decades. And that comes from an optimistic person who trusts the good-hearted nature of human beings. Flutterz, Kenshin_sama, Valmore and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nashetania Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Confession: Someone gifted me (yes again) the Hyperdimension Neptunia 2 and 3 on Steam Zodai 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valmore Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Confession: Someone gifted me (yes again) the Hyperdimension Neptunia 2 and 3 on Steam Nice! Did you already have that or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valmore Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Confession: politics is 2 hard 4 me Politics sucks anyway. All it does is make you angry and sad and feeling powerless and dreaming of the apocalyptic end we'll reach in a few decades. And that comes from an optimistic person who trusts the good-hearted nature of human beings.As the Destroyer of Hopes and Dreams, I should team up with you, Hater of Fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nashetania Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Confession: Someone gifted me (yes again) the Hyperdimension Neptunia 2 and 3 on Steam Nice! Did you already have that or something?I didn't, but people keep on gifting me games. I believe 80% of the games I have were gifted to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valmore Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Confession: Someone gifted me (yes again) the Hyperdimension Neptunia 2 and 3 on Steam Nice! Did you already have that or something?I didn't, but people keep on gifting me games. I believe 80% of the games I have were gifted to me That's pretty dang sweet. I bought some stuff that was on sale, but no one gifted me anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nashetania Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Confession: Someone gifted me (yes again) the Hyperdimension Neptunia 2 and 3 on Steam Nice! Did you already have that or something?I didn't, but people keep on gifting me games. I believe 80% of the games I have were gifted to me That's pretty dang sweet. I bought some stuff that was on sale, but no one gifted me anything.It's the natural-selection of friends Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valmore Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Confession: Someone gifted me (yes again) the Hyperdimension Neptunia 2 and 3 on Steam Nice! Did you already have that or something?I didn't, but people keep on gifting me games. I believe 80% of the games I have were gifted to me That's pretty dang sweet. I bought some stuff that was on sale, but no one gifted me anything.It's the natural-selection of friends I've heard of these mythical things called friends... somewhere... Flutterz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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