Jump to content

Let's talk about Villains


Ivan A.

Recommended Posts

I'm actually surprised there wasn't a topic about villains. I'm sure we all have opinions on them. Sometimes we have to see things from their point of view too. We already see the point of view from the good guys from the games we play or the VNs we read. I think that some villains deserve our respect, there are some that can be just as awesome as the heroes. A couple of my examples would be Sigma from the Megaman X series, and Demon Lord Azi Dahaka from the Mondaiji-tachi Light Novels.

 

 

Sigma is quite the interesting character. He was the leader of the Maverick Hunters before he got infected with the Maverick Virus. The virus started to mutate and adapt into Sigma's own programming wich as a result created the Sigma Virus, that can control and manipulate Reploids. He started to feel that humanity were keeping the Reploids potential down and decided to start a rebellion against Humans. For more info on this watch "The Day of Sigma" OVA that's in Megaman Maverick Hunter X. It's a prequel to the whole series. Warning: the voice acting is horrible. 

 

 

 

Demon Lord Azi Dahaka. I found out about him less than a month ago. But in my opinion he's the villain of villains. I've never seen/read/watched a guy like him. Azi Dahaka is a three-head Dragon, one of the gods of the Zoroartrianism a "Last Embryo"(Last Trial of Humanity) and a third-digit in Little Garden. He's the incarnation of Evil, and carries the Flag of  [Aksara] (still means Evil) on his back. He crushes and destroys everything that's in front of him equally. The meaning of his life is to show what Evil is. His death will pave the path of Good. Here's one of his quotes: 

“Rise………Over my dead body is where Justice lies……..!!!!” 

He appeared in Vol. 7 Epilogue, and dies in Vol. 11

 

 

Well, the explanation for these villains is quite long. This is more or less the objective. What do you think of villains in general? Can they be more awesome that the good guys? Is there any villain that has earned your respect? Was any villain memorable to you? 

 

This is not and Appreciation for Villains. Why would appreciate them? They do bad things.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Most of my favorite villaiins are from games, rather than VN's. However, there are a few I want to commend from VN's as well nonetheless (not in order):

 

1) Monokuma (Danganronpa)

 

I just... don't know how to describe this one. A perfect objectification of the series' "Hope vs Despair" theme, snarky yet scary, iconic. Also is a small bear. Upupupupupupupu...

 

2) Zero (Zero Escape)

 

Now...Zero is special. He's the antagonist of my favorite franchise. From the ominous announcement in the ship of 999 to the mindblowing reveal at the end of Virtue's Last Reward, Zero is watching every step you take, every puzzle you solve, every word you say. Its mask is the icon of the series, as well as the bracelet, and definitely is one of the most memorable characters in both games.

 

3) GLaDoS (Portal)

 

You wake up in a room with white walls. Nothing there is unnecessary: All that there is serves a purpose, and the game is simple. As you traverse the lonely test chambers with your portal gun, your sole companion is a monotone, sentient voice. However, as you near the end of the game, "she" starts to gain a personality. Beautifully sarcastic and snarky, yet incredibly intelligent, GLaDoS brings Portal to life. In the sequel, her sarcasm and snarky remarks peak and.... you know what,  I think I'll just quote her:

 

"'You are a horrible person.' I'm not joking. This is the test result. We weren't even testing for that."

 

4) SHODAN (System Shock)

 

On the opposite end of the spectrum is SHODAN, which is all malevolence and no humor. It sees the world and humans as its minions, and thinks of itself as a god. Able to sneakily take over and defeat any sort of human resistance except the occasional hacker or soldier that wakes up after it's too late, it gives off the horror atmosphere of the games really well. You walk through the halls fearing SHODAN, and what dangers has it put on your path. 

 

5) Andrew Ryan (Bioshock 1)

 

Possibly the most idealist man in all of fiction, Ryan is the only person known to date to create his own city with blackjack and hookers because he did not like the normal ways a society proceeds. Under the sea. 

Rapture is a derelict failure. Plasmids collapse whatever hope the city had of recovering from the infighting, and now all the artist and scientists are insane "Splicers", roaming the wrecked halls of Rapture with a machine gun in their deformed hands, singing nursery rhymes. Still, in Rapture, the sweat on your brow is yours.

 

6) Comstock (Bioshock Infinite)

 

The seed of the prophet shall sit the throne

And drown in flame the mountains of man

 

Part racist and part Gandalf, Comstock is the founder of Columbia, a city in the sky, running on white supremacy and American propaganda. As the story progresses, he shows his wrath and displays how corrupt and twisted a society can be. And as the tale draws to a close, we learn who Comstock really is and that is the moment his character shines.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Lots of villains end up being more awesome than the good guys, but not all of them are actually villains. This is the case for the Anti-Spirals of Gurren Lagann.

They're indeed basically anti-evolution/progress, but they have a good reason for that. They know how fearsome the spiral power is and how reckless spiral creatures can be. In the first episode we are shown an alternative ending for the series, one where Simon actually destroys everything, everywhere and everywhen.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Light Yagami was a good guy, he was doing a right thing by killing people without who a world is a better place, and true he did kill some innocent people too few innocent lives is a small price to pay for making a world a better place, not to mention that they weren't truly innocent as they opposed his goal of making a world a better place.

.

All subjective, as why should one person have the ability to decide if someone unrelated to their life should live or die? Which is why he usually is given the title Anti-hero. He's doing a normally villainous thing for a good cause. If you look at him from a villainous side, he was a pretty great example of a well developed villain

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Light Yagami was a good guy, he was doing a right thing by killing people without who a world is a better place, and true he did kill some innocent people too few innocent lives is a small price to pay for making a world a better place, not to mention that they weren't truly innocent as they opposed his goal of making a world a better place.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

.

All subjective, as why should one person have the ability to decide if someone unrelated to their life should live or die? Which is why he usually is given the title Anti-hero. He's doing a normally villainous thing for a good cause. If you look at him from a villainous side, he was a pretty great example of a villain IMO.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

It's not subjective, it's obvious that he is a good guy as what he was doing was making a world a better place. If you are successfully making a world a better place then you can't be anything but a good guy. The fact that he is making a world a better place is all that meters. The only way you could say different is if you are a hippocrat.

 

 

 

It was a fact that a world was becoming a better place that in itself proves that what Light was doing is a right thing and that he is a person who can determine who should live and who should die.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

It's not subjective, it's obvious that he is a good guy as what he was doing was making a world a better place. If you are successfully making a world a better place then you can't be anything but a good guy. The fact that he is making a world a better place is all that meters. The only way you could say different is if you are a hippocrat.

 

 

 

It was a fact that a world was becoming a better place that in itself proves that what Light was doing is a right thing and that he is a person who can determine who should live and who should die.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The claim that Light was making the world a better place is more than a little questionable. For one, it's a world predicated on fear of a sole individual who has the power to end your life for whatever reason he sees fit. No one had a choice in the matter, he just took it upon himself to impose his will on the world through the act of mass murder. That's not a better world. Furthermore, as the series progresses, Light become more and more arbitrary in deciding who live and who dies. He becomes unhinged and arguably uncomposed. He kills to protect himself and advance his selfish goals, and even literally claims to be god. That does not a good guy make. Dude is kinda insane, really.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The claim that Light was making the world a better place is more than a little questionable. For one, it's a world predicated on fear of a sole individual who has the power to end your life for whatever reason he sees fit. No one had a choice in the matter, he just took it upon himself to impose his will on the world through the act of mass murder. That's not a better world. Furthermore, as the series progresses, Light become more and more arbitrary in deciding who lives and who dies. He becomes unhinged and arguably uncomposed. He kills to protect himself and advance his selfish goals, and even literally claims to be god. That does not a good guy make. Dude is kinda insane, really.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

So do you think we should also demolish police, court, government and any laws and let people do what they want because otherwise people will live in fear of going in prison if they are criminals and government is only opposing their will on people? Light newer killed normal people who weren't criminals and weren't defending those criminals from him, normal innocent people had no reason to be afraid of him and criminals should be afraid. He was doing a same thing that government do except he was doing a far better job then them. He stopped wars, he lowered a number of criminal for 80% how is that not making a world a better place? And how is the wish to make a world a better place selfish?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Getting results does not means you're doing the right thing. He lost himself in his pursuit for a better world, went from someone with a good intention to a madman with a God complex. By the end of the series, he seemed more like he wanted to keep his status as a God than to actually turn the world in a better place.

 

His new world was also a joke, he wanted a better place but he planned on creating it through imposing the fear of a divine punishment upon anyone at anytime. If Death Note was a horror movie, Light wouldn't be the hero, he'd be the monster.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

So do you think we should also demolish police, court, government and any laws and let people do what they want because otherwise people will live in fear of going in prison if they are criminals and government is only opposing their will on people? Light newer killed normal people who weren't criminals and weren't defending those criminals from him, normal innocent people had no reason to be afraid of him and criminals should be afraid. He was doing a same thing that government do except he was doing a far better job then them. He stopped wars, he lowered a number of criminal for 80% how is that not making a world a better place? And how is the wish to make a world a better place selfish?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The wish to make the world itself isn't selfish, but it ultimately became about his ego. That's what makes him selfish. The methods he employed in forcing his vision on the world were what makes him deplorable.

 

As for your first point, people (for the most part) endorse their governments, court systems, and social services. We pay taxes, take part in the systems, and take part in the democratic process. In Light's case, he was exacting what most would consider to be the most severe punishment entirely on his own initiative. You're pretty big on free will and consenting adults, aren't you? Light was imposing his will at large, regardless of how people felt about it. What if he condemned the act of incest and took to killing people who indulged in it? The point is, the world is not a better place in the hands of a single, faulty individual. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Yea acutely it does, how you do something doesn't meter what does meter are results. Doing a good thing for a bad reasons is still doing a good thing. So even if he wanted to stay god more then to make a world a better place  it doesn't change a fact that he is still making a world a better place. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I'm not talking about the ends justifying the means or contrariwise. It's not because he's getting a good result to what he's doing that he's doing a right thing. If you want a simple example, let's take a test. You can get extremely good grades through cheating on it, but it does not mean you are doing a right thing. A fake utopia is what he was trying to create, peace can't define a world where the ruler is a serial killer who thinks he's a God.

 

 

So anyone that opposes his ideals is a criminal? She wanted to get the culprit to her fiances death, who was murdered for doing his job and following the orders he was given. They were definitely not the wrong ones here. Light was no God and he wished for a fantasy world where he purged the weak criminals who couldn't live in the light.  

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
×
×
  • Create New...