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  1. 1. what do you prefer?

    • 2D
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    • 3D
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    • I like both
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    • LOLIS!
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Ah, then it's OK. Just try to broaden your horizons whenever you can.

I missunderstood you were a hikki.

no you didn't on this point lol, i am, but i still do stuff like studying and shit

i'm hikki but not a total neet

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"Evil" is a bit harsh, don't you think? In fact, human nature is governed by a complex set of motivations. Just calling it evil might just be generalizing it a bit. And people in the 2D world DO actually kill each other for stupid reasons. If, for example, I were to make a VN where people kill each other for stupid reasons, would that still be part of the 2D world? The miracle part is nice though...

 

Sorry if I interpreted what you wrote wrongly...

Glance at human history... If that's not evil what should be considered as evil?

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Oh, I've just realised I haven't actually given my opinion here. I prefer hentai over real porn, just because; but I prefer real girls (you know, that whole touching thing people do IRL really gives them an advantage in my mind :P). Anyone else feel the same?

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i'm not gonna live my lfe based on some believes 

i'm just saying for the sake of it that you can't talk with any kind of certainty about anything , i'm not saying i believe that we create worlds someplace physical with just our minds, i'm saying that it is entirely POSSIBLE and so you shouldn't call delusional someone like okami who believes that 2d exist independent from us. Even if he is the only one believing that, what's wrong? 

90% of the population believes in some form of religion, so if 90% think its true that god exist, am i the one being delusional since i don't? or the 90% is?

just saying what's possible means that i will spend my life in a way that i will regret?

in my opinion is the questioning and the thinking that cause the world and science to keep on moving...if there weren't people thinking crazy stuff and other people trying to prove them wrong , we would find it natural to believe that earth is flat and everything revolve around us

See, anything is possible, including me being able to fly using just my mind. But if I were to jump off of a building and die because I couldn't actually fly, I'd be rightfully called delusional even though it's technically possible I could fly.

I also had no problem with him believing in 2D worlds, what I had a problem with was him saying that the 3D world is based on the 2D world he likes.

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See, anything is possible, including me being able to fly using just my mind. But if I were to jump off of a building and die because I couldn't actually fly, I'd be rightfully called delusional even though it's technically possible I could fly.

I also had no problem with him believing in 2D worlds, what I had a problem with was him saying that the 3D world is based on the 2D world he likes.

 

 

 

And what is wrong with that? You are saying that we shouldn't believe in something that hasn't been proven, but actually that is what all people in this world do. Take both Religion, science or even daily 3D life they all include believing in something that can't be proven yet. Around 90% believe in some kind of religion and none religion has any proofs of it, all scientists have their theories that haven't yet, be proven right or wrong, and even in normal daily 3D life people do what they believe is right while most of the time there is no real proof of it being the right. You yourself believe that 2D worlds don't exist outside of our world without any proof of it. So what you are saying is that you have a problem with my beliefs simply because they are too different from your own beliefs.

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Take both Religion, science or even daily 3D life they all include believing in something that can't be proven yet. Around 90% believe in some kind of religion and none religion has any proofs of it, all scientists have their theories that haven't yet, be proven right or wrong, and even in normal daily 3D life people do what they believe is right while most of the time there is no real proof of it being the right.

 

Eh, actually, no, most theories in science are proven to be right through experience. In physics, most of the time, a theory rather fails to explain some phenomenons while correctly explaining others - that's why we have various theories.

Granted, the one current theory that manages to explain everything hasn't been proven yet to be correct, but it's not used for practical purposes either. Theoretical physics - stuff that hasn't been proven yet - represents a very small part of science, the rest of which is proven true based on facts.

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And what is wrong with that? You are saying that we shouldn't believe in something that hasn't been proven, but actually that is what all people in this world do. Take both Religion, science or even daily 3D life they all include believing in something that can't be proven yet. Around 90% believe in some kind of religion and none religion has any proofs of it, all scientists have their theories that haven't yet, be proven right or wrong, and even in normal daily 3D life people do what they believe is right while most of the time there is no real proof of it being the right. You yourself believe that 2D worlds don't exist outside of our world without any proof of it. So what you are saying is that you have a problem with my beliefs simply because they are too different from your own beliefs.

I think people who believe in a religion are being just as silly.

Scientists have theories that haven't been proven right or wrong, and they don't believe them because they haven't been proven right or wrong.

People don't do what they think is the single, prefect, right decision, unless they're incredibly egotistical and wrong. People think of several courses of action and pick the one that seems to be the best one. Most people realize that there's other ways to do it, they just don't know what they are.

First of all, once again:

 

I also had no problem with him believing in 2D worlds, what I had a problem with was him saying that the 3D world is based on the 2D world he likes.

 

So the existence of 2D worlds isn't what I was arguing.

Second of all, I don't "believe that the 3D world was not based on a 2D world", but rather "I don't believe that the 3D world was based on a 2D world". The two may seem similar, but there's a pretty important difference. I don't specifically hold a belief that it didn't happen, because holding such a belief would require me to prove it, and I obviously can't. I simply see your belief that it happened, but since you do not have any proof to back it up I label it unjustified. If you look over my posts you'll see that not once did I say that it certainly didn't happen, I just said that I disagree with you implying that it did.

 

 

Eh, actually, no, most theories in science are proven to be right through experience. In physics, most of the time, a theory rather fails to explain some phenomenons while correctly explaining others - that's why we have various theories.

Granted, the one current theory that manages to explain everything hasn't been proven yet to be correct, but it's not used for practical purposes either. Theoretical physics - stuff that hasn't been proven yet - represents a very small part of science, the rest of which is proven true based on facts.

 

This goes back to our discussion of how annoying the word "theory" is. Theoretical physics isn't physics that deals with theories, it's physics that deals with pure math as opposed to experimental physics which deals with experimental results. (Unless I misunderstood what you're saying)

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Something doesn't exist unless it actually exists. In this case, Okami, the outer world 2D or the 3D basing on 2D of another world or whatever you called it.

Something exists only when we know it exists, meaning that we need to back it up with proof. There is no proof for what you claim.

Something that may or may not exist, especially without any proof to back it up, essentially doesn't exist because in fact it doesn't. Sounds really silly but that's how it is.

 

Of course people believe in things that may or may not exist everyday like for example religion which you mentioned, but belief is a case by case thing so it's not really good to make such a generalization. And keep in mind that we human beings live by common sense and there is a line to how much you can surrender that common sense. In religion's case, the practice of believing in a god has mostly become part of common sense, thus it's justified no matter how stupid it actually is. Also, most beliefs (at least religious ones) have an intention or destination. Okami, I don't see any of that in your belief, nor does it follow common sense, nor does it have any proof. It's basically a random "theory" thrown in out of nowhere.

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Eh, actually, no, most theories in science are proven to be right through experience. In physics, most of the time, a theory rather fails to explain some phenomenons while correctly explaining others - that's why we have various theories.

Granted, the one current theory that manages to explain everything hasn't been proven yet to be correct, but it's not used for practical purposes either. Theoretical physics - stuff that hasn't been proven yet - represents a very small part of science, the rest of which is proven true based on facts.

 

If they are proven to be right than they are not theories any more but facts. Part of definition of theory is that it is not proven right or wrong.

 

 

Something doesn't exist unless it actually exists. In this case, Okami, the outer world 2D or the 3D basing on 2D of another world or whatever you called it.

Something exists only when we know it exists, meaning that we need to back it up with proof. There is no proof for what you claim.

Something that may or may not exist, especially without any proof to back it up, essentially doesn't exist because in fact it doesn't. Sounds really silly but that's how it is.

 

Of course people believe in things that may or may not exist everyday like for example religion which you mentioned, but belief is a case by case thing so it's not really good to make such a generalization. And keep in mind that we human beings live by common sense and there is a line to how much you can surrender that common sense. In religion's case, the practice of believing in a god has mostly become part of common sense, thus it's justified no matter how stupid it actually is. Also, most beliefs have an intention or destination. Okami, I don't see any of that in your belief, nor does it follow common sense, nor does it have any proof. It's basically a random "theory" thrown in out of nowhere.

 

What you are saying is that already existing religions are part of common sense just because they are a lot of people beliving in them, but mine is not because I am individual beliving in it (I did mention Galileo right?). And as I said non religions have any proofs for them. As for intention and destination I just haven't talked about them yet. As I said, I believe that all intelligent and self-conscious beings are gods, and we travel from one world to next ones leaving our memories locked while we are inside of worlds and in the middle of going from one world to the next we use experience that we gained in those words to create new worlds.

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If they are proven to be right than they are not theories any more but facts. Part of definition of theory is that it is not proven right or wrong.

http://ncse.com/evolution/education/definitions-fact-theory-law-scientific-work

 

 

  • Fact: In science, an observation that has been repeatedly confirmed and for all practical purposes is accepted as “true.” Truth in science, however, is never final and what is accepted as a fact today may be modified or even discarded tomorrow.
  • Theory: In science, a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that can incorporate facts, laws, inferences, and tested hypotheses.

A fact is just something that always happens, and theory is an explanation for something that happens and it can't just be pulled out of your ass - it needs to have sufficient, if not exhaustive proof.

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http://ncse.com/evolution/education/definitions-fact-theory-law-scientific-work

 

A fact is just something that always happens, and theory is an explanation for something that happens and it can't just be pulled out of your ass - it needs to have sufficient, if not exhaustive proof.

 

A well-substantiated explanation is not the same as proof, but if you accept it as a proof then I guess I have it too.

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What you are saying is that already existing religions are part of common sense just because they are a lot of people beliving in them, but mine is not because I am individual beliving in it (I did mention Galileo right?). And as I said non religions have any proofs for them. As for intention and destination I just haven't talked about them yet. As I said, I believe that all intelligent and self-conscious beings are gods, and we travel from one world to next ones leaving our memories locked while we are inside of worlds and in the middle of going from one world to the next we use experience that we gained in those words to create new worlds.

 

You already answered yourself but let me state something obvious (copied from wikipedia): "Common sense is a basic ability to perceive, understand, and judge things, which is shared by ("common to") nearly all people, and can be reasonably expected of nearly all people without any need for debate."

 

So yes, going by what common sense actually is, your belief is not common sense at all. And also Galileo's theories were proven to be true later on so he's pretty much irrelevant.

 

Well, if you talked about your intentions that would help at least a little bit.

 

As for your god stuff, I don't even know why this is brought up again, the thread already seems to be heavily derailed by now going off-topic.

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A well-substantiated explanation is not the same as proof, but if you accept it as a proof then I guess I have it too.

Oh, so you have an explanation that incorporates facts, laws, inferences and tested hypotheses? Then by all means, submit your "theory" to an academic journal, and if they think your "theory" holds water you can easily become one of the world's most prominent scientists.

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conclusion:

 

Perceive the world however you want, as long as it makes you happy. Do stuff that makes you happy without negatively affecting other entities (people) and you will be fine :)

Life is about happiness, I recommend searching for your happiness in 2d as that is what worked for me, but if you are happy with your 3d girlfriend, I will accept it - just be happy.

 

 

Just like I am happy with meru :)

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You already answered yourself but let me state something obvious (copied from wikipedia): "Common sense is a basic ability to perceive, understand, and judge things, which is shared by ("common to") nearly all people, and can be reasonably expected of nearly all people without any need for debate."

 

So yes, going by what common sense actually is, your belief is not common sense at all. And also Galileo's theories were proven to be true later on so he's pretty much irrelevant.

 

Well, if you talked about your intentions that would help at least a little bit.

 

As for your god stuff, I don't even know why this is brought up again, the thread already seems to be heavily derailed by now going off-topic.

 

 

Well, in that case you can call me eccentric I have no problem with being called that as I already stated that I consider myself far different from other people in this world.

 

And I am not the one that broth up god stuff again, you did when you said that my belifes don't have the intention and destination like other religions do.

 

 

Oh, so you have an explanation that incorporates facts, laws, inferences and tested hypotheses? Then by all means, submit your "theory" to an academic journal, and if they think your "theory" holds water you can easily become one of the world's most prominent scientists.

 

Actually, my belifes are based on already existing scientific theories. Xypers stated some of them:

 

the world out there is so vast and beyond our grasp, that is almost logical to think that everything our mind can conceive, already exist somewhere, if not in this universe, in another one with different laws etc

 

the novel you're talking about its flatland if i'm not mistaken, anyway, even without thinking about places with different laws, in our own universe the matter/energy is estimated to be around 95.1% of the universe...and its called dark matter/energy because we have no idea what it is since we can't even perceive it with our 5 senses and all the technology we developed...so given this fact, anything is possible.

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conclusion:

 

Perceive the world however you want, as long as it makes you happy. Do stuff that make you happy without negatively affecting other entities (people) and you will be fine :)

Life is about happiness, I recommend searching for your happiness in 2d as that is what worked for me, but if you are happy with your 3d girlfriend, I will accept it - just be happy.

 

 

Yeah I agree just do what you love to do and have fun, as long as you know that the 2D and 3D world are seperate things that you should not try to mix up with.

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Actually, my belifes are based on already existing scientific theories. Xypers stated some of them:

Those aren't scientific theories, unless you're willing to quote me an article from a journal which says "there's a lot of stuff we don't know about, therefore everything you can think of exists". Otherwise that's just an argument from ignorance "we don't know enough to disprove this, therefore we can treat it as true", which is a fallacy.

 

 

conclusion:

 

Perceive the world however you want, as long as it makes you happy. Do stuff that makes you happy without negatively affecting other entities (people) and you will be fine  :)

Life is about happiness, I recommend searching for your happiness in 2d as that is what worked for me, but if you are happy with your 3d girlfriend, I will accept it - just be happy.

 

 

Just like I am happy with meru  :)

 

B-but Steve...

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Other than that, I'm perfectly happy with Ren-senpai~

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Those aren't scientific theories, unless you're willing to quote me an article from a journal which says "there's a lot of stuff we don't know about, therefore everything you can think of exists". Otherwise that's just an argument from ignorance "we don't know enough to disprove this, therefore we can treat it as true", which is a fallacy.

 

 

No those are theories that exist in quite a few scientific journals written by a scientists. If I menage to find them online I will post them here for you.

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"Nowhere to run,Nowhere to hide"

 

 

conclusion:

 

Perceive the world however you want, as long as it makes you happy. Do stuff that makes you happy without negatively affecting other entities (people) and you will be fine :)

Life is about happiness, I recommend searching for your happiness in 2d as that is what worked for me, but if you are happy with your 3d girlfriend, I will accept it - just be happy.

 

 

Just like I am happy with meru :)

As long as your happy is all cool

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