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Shame in liking H scenes/18+ Content in Visual Novels

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I'm interested in other people who actually like H-scenes (and not just for their literary/story value) but rarely/never talk about what they like.

Visual Novels/Eroge are a weird genre that mixes story and H/Sex scenes, though sometimes they are esentially fully separated. Sometimes H-scenes are so long that the length can be equivalent to an average non-H scene in a VN and almost feel like it's part of the story.

I've seen various reception to the existence of H-scenes. Some people are just very much against the idea of them existing and only want to read purely all ages content in visual novels which makes sense.

There are people who say they don't like H-scenes but then when certain 18+/H content is taken out they don't like that the stuff is being "censored". There are people who say they only like H-scenes if they have some kind of literary/story value besides "pleasing" the reader.

Usually when I see people admit to liking H-scenes it's usually just a small comment about them, they keep discussion in like friend groups, or just post pics in some kind of NSFW friendly chat or something.

Sexual Content in basically anything tends to have a stigma in certain areas and communities, especially when anime-style characters are involved. 

The fact that 18+ H-Scenes integrate them in the story means anyone who reads visual novels at some point will eventually come across a VN with them. This isn't like porn or plain hentai or chaturbate where you can more easily hide your preferences, the topic of 18+ H scenes in visual novels will come in at some point.

So this brings me to my main point. In relation to those who do legit like H-scenes:

Are they just too shy to talk about what they like? Do they have to use excuses to not seem like a weirdo/pervert for admitting to liking them them? Or do they just not really know what to say about them? 

What are you guys' thoughts on this whole topic?

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i just dont talk about it every chance i get. ill talk about it in some form of a topic that furthers the discussion but i wont bring it up every time or anything. ill talk it openly among fellow vn readers if its brought up, im not shy but theres a time and place for that stuff. could i go into detail about how i loved mayuchi willingly spreading her asshole so yamato can fuck it? sure, but it doesnt need to be said every time majikoi is brought up.

 

anyhoo, ive always liked h-scenes. hell, its what got me into vns in the first place. just a young guy looking to get off to 2d girls but instead of just looking at pictures, i went to vns. why? because after getting to know the girl, deciding which routes ill do first, choosing the right choices, H at the end of it all is just far more satisfying. and the fact that ive known the girls so well after all that investment and i finally get to see their lewd side adds another layer of enjoyment. the girls feel open to the mc in an intimate manner with the mc (most of the time) and is ready to do the deed.

 

those are my thoughts on it, good sir. if you have any questions, too bad! :sacchan: 

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Most of the time I skip h-scenes.  However, there are times when I read them simply because a heroine is 'my type' and I like the visual or writing style used.  The fact is that I have, in the past, skipped well over 99% of all the h-scenes in VNs I've read... but those that I did read were those where I had a strong emotional attachment to the heroine involved.

 

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As someone who often buys VNs specifically for the H I’d say I qualify. I don’t talk too much about it in English communities as a lot of people in them are like you said kind of against that type of content in VNs in general, so there’s not much of a discussion to be had about it here. I also read mainly untranslated games, which will make me seem like that annoying dude only linking to content other people can’t read if I share screenshots etc from the scenes I like. (Which I do have a lot of. :P ) 

I chat about some of this stuff in Discords where I know there are other people who are perverts like me, I guess, lol. 

I wish H in VNs was as well accepted and talked about in the west as in Japan, but a lot of people here just don’t like it. And since the western VN scene is specifically built in a way where people can genuinely buy eroge without H content, it makes it even easier for people to avoid the topic, as they can unironically play porn games without the porn. I think the "buy the game, apply the ‘patch’ if you want" system is one reason why porn in VNs is less talked about here. People actually see it as an optional feature here, unlike in Japan where 80% of VNs will just have H by default. 

Tl;dr blame western publishers and their dumb practices w

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It took me years to figure out why I found romance in movies and anime unfulfilling no matter how well fleshed out the courtship, confession, and couple evolution was until I encountered H scenes in VNs. It's the ultimate consummation of a real human relationship and pretending it doesn't exist when it is literally the reason we exist as a species and a story ending without you seeing it will be low level depressing and frustrating. Once I've gotten to love a heroine, I only feel satisfied if I get to H her in the story, and then I can put that story and heroine to bed (heh) and feel fully satisfied. Most western audiences wouldn't understand though, even though most of us will end up fucking someone in our lives, but that's more a function of the long-standing censorship and shame our culture has associated with sex.

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I don't mind talking about this stuff and I am a weirdo/pervert beyond just liking H-content. :P

For me it's mostly a mind over matter kind of thing. I can't get into "regular" porn, since actresses mean nothing to me and you don't feel any form of emotional bonding that happens, which is an absolute necessity for me. I don't want to sound like a romantic here, I may like my vanilla charage stuff where that bonding is genuine love, but I also kinda like to see where emotions in general can lead to and that makes stuff like Euphoria interesting as well. Without stories, themes, progression and portrayed feelings the reality seems to be the fiction for me and entirely unappealing.

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1 hour ago, Ruberick said:

I don't want to sound like a romantic here, I may like my vanilla charage stuff where that bonding is genuine love,

Hundreds of H-scenes/eroge later and I still prefer these by far, mostly for this reason (besides the typical stuff like art and positions and stuff I like)

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2 hours ago, Ruberick said:

I don't mind talking about this stuff and I am a weirdo/pervert beyond just liking H-content. :P

For me it's mostly a mind over matter kind of thing. I can't get into "regular" porn, since actresses mean nothing to me and you don't feel any form of emotional bonding that happens, which is an absolute necessity for me. I don't want to sound like a romantic here, I may like my vanilla charage stuff where that bonding is genuine love, but I also kinda like to see where emotions in general can lead to and that makes stuff like Euphoria interesting as well. Without stories, themes, progression and portrayed feelings the reality seems to be the fiction for me and entirely unappealing.

For me it's similar, a story or a underlying context is what makes anything relevant and interesting, just random people screwing each other isn't really something I care much about.
The H-scene doesn't necessarily need plot-progression, but showcasing the characters involved and experiencing a new side of them is really the important part.

The ones that I've disliked are generally those that don't take characters and the situation into context and just insert a generic h-scene. The girls often behave completely different before and during a h-scene which removes any immersion you have.

This makes me end up liking either the dark ones with psychological themes or just good old vanilla.

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I feel like not liking h-scenes is more of shameful thing in the VN community? :P

Anyway, you could say this is not my topic, but not fully. I actually really enjoy softcore stuff and it's a huge shame there's not more of that in visuals novels. I'd love more mildly erotic scenes like those in Kindred Spirits, and they're nearly non-existant outside of that game and some yuri EVNs. If you say that sex scenes are a logical extension of the romance plots and can have a lot of story relevance, I completely agree. There's just so little substance to h-scenes as they're usually done in JVNs and they so often go against what the core story represents, that they're just tedious if you don't look for fapping material. I know there are exceptions, but it would be awesome if more VNs tilted to the side of erotica and not plain porn. I mean, I understand that many people really enjoy the latter, but it'd be way more interesting if we could get a decent amount of both. :P

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Generally, I skip them but I'm unable to read a VN without it. Because it would feel like this has been made for a "kid", I like to see that they're targeting adults (well not always) by including them.

Also some times it helps a lot in the story, but it is mostly so I won't feel like the author has been censored in any way

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Shame? No, I feel no shame. However, I think there's a more interesting question you could've asked.

And that's how many of us actually fap to these so-called H-scenes :) From what I gather, a lot of people either don't want to admit that they fap to it, or many really do skip them like Clephas mentioned in his example.

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If the scenes weren't so terrible....... They're all copy paste of each others with sometimes some changes to fit the heroines or situation. But majorly they're all the same with the same damn cg's. Artificial bullshit for the most part to be honest. 

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20 minutes ago, nihilloligasan said:

i mean, i can see why people would be ashamed of liking them. most h scenes just suck. they would probably be a lot better if they were written by people who've actually had sex before.

We're talking about a country with 16 year olds playing pretend heroes.

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I like H scenes.  I pre-ordered Imouto Paradise 3 and I'm really looking forward to playing that soon - mostly because of the H scenes I liked from the previous games in the series.  It isn't a big deal to talk about it in communities like this.  I try to stay out of some of the dumber fights that always seem to break out online related to this topic.

In person, though, I rarely talk about things like that.  But gaming itself is like that for me.  Nearly everyone I know fits into two categories - 1) they think all games are only played by children or 2) they are gamers but they only play shooters and similar genres.  I like visual novels, strategy games, and role-playing games.  But if I bring up any of those genres, I just get blank stares from everyone.  It would be a stretch to continue those conversations to something like "oh, and in some of those games you have no interest in, there is nudity".  I don't have shame - there just isn't a purpose for me to talk about it.

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ok, i give a (dis)graceful report:

yesterday i finished this: https://vndb.org/v1096

since mc is voiced i didn't skip non-h parts as i usually do. i didn't fap to it, i prefer porns with real actors for that. why it had a good end? i'd still play the sequel.

english communities don't like it? their loss of influence and customer. eg, i've black-listed steam for even non-adult contents.

well,  i didn't feel any shame, mata.

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50 minutes ago, bored said:

ok, i give a (dis)graceful report:

yesterday i finished this: https://vndb.org/v1096

since mc is voiced i didn't skip non-h parts as i usually do. i didn't fap to it, i prefer porns with real actors for that. why it had a good end? i'd still play the sequel.

english communities don't like it? their loss of influence and customer. eg, i've black-listed steam for even non-adult contents.

well,  i didn't feel any shame, mata.

Wait, you usually skip the "non-h parts"? And you don't get off to anime porn? Could you elaborate on this? It's super-curious.

And we'll I would separate gamer communities from companies. The latter are rather high-pressed by anti child porn laws and various moralistic lobbies. I don't think they're wrong that they'd risk more by embracing that kind of content than they are by scarring off the very niche audience highly interested in it. 

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1 hour ago, Plk_Lesiak said:

Wait, you usually skip the "non-h parts"? And you don't get off to anime porn? Could you elaborate on this? It's super-curious.

And we'll I would separate gamer communities from companies. The latter are rather high-pressed by anti child porn laws and various moralistic lobbies. I don't think they're wrong that they'd risk more by embracing that kind of content than they are by scarring off the very niche audience highly interested in it. 

i mean if there is an urge, i simply minimize the vn and turn to real porn-star.

of course i'm aware my black-listing is not a big deal to the big names, but this includes all the small sub-communities under them, all the small not interested in adult-contents developers. again not a big deal to them, but that's my answer to any gamer community that i don't like. bye bye.

 

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